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Dfd
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Does anyone have pictures of Detroit firehouses that they can post here?
Thanks
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Mikem
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Engine 23, East Grand at Moran:

Engine 23


Engine 34, Livernois at Walton:

Engine 34


Engine 41, Rohns at E Warren:

Engine 41


Engine 49, Grand River at Manor:

Engine 49


Engine 56, Ryan at Hildale:

Engine 56
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Thanks Mikem! Great pictures.
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Mikem
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Some former fire stations:

Engine 48, Bayside and Saunders, now a private residence:

Engine 48



Engine 35, Beaubien at Mt Vernon, another residence:

 Engine 35



Engine 40 - Ladder 17, 12th at La Belle, converted to a church, now empty:

Engine 40



Engine 4, 18th and Lafayette:

Engine 4
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Dfd
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Has some restoration been done to Engine 4's building? The hose tower looks like it's been painted.
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Mikem
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Engine 55, Ladder 21

E 55 L 21
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Dfd
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The 55's house is looking good too.
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Mikem
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Sorry, I don't know anything about the Engine 4 fire house. Some other forumers live nearby; they might know.

A few years ago I made this map of fire station locations, with the blue dots representing those which have closed, to show how much of the central city has been vacated by both residents and industries alleviating the need for stations in these locations. Unfortunately, the remaining stations are small specks, difficult to see, and the map probably needs updating.



(Message edited by MikeM on August 12, 2006)
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Dfd
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Thanks for the map....interesting. Are the areas with the blue dots where the auto makers were?
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Wonderful photos. Wonderful architecture and brickwork.

Anybody know the newest Detroit Fire Station?

jjaba. Thanks.
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Livernoisyard
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The former 37 (just EMS now) at Dix and Central was the last station built for horse-drawn equipment. Those newer have different doors and hinges.
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The newest Fire Station is at the Public Safety Center on Fort Street between Clark and Junction. I'm not sure which Engine and Ladder companies are there, but it's definately the newest in Detroit.
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The Firestation at Bayside St in SW Detroit is currently for sale. ($189,000)
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Engine 29 on Jefferson in Delray:

29
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Thanks for the photos. Being a fireman's kid, I have fond memories of visiting dad while he was on duty (mostly Ladder 21 in the early years and Ladder 4 later on). I have tons of pictures of the old houses (in black and white) but they are all framed and at dad's house with him in every shot with the guys. Brings back many memories :-)
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Mikem
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Found another...Former Engine 28 - Ladder 11, E Milwaukee at Riopelle, now home to a wrecker service:

Engine 28  Ladder 11
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Mikem
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...and former Engine 22 on Michigan at Military, closed in '83:

Engine 22
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Mtm
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As another DFD "brat" I remember many of Dad's engine houses, Engine 47, Engine 56, Ladder 16/Engine 8/Chief 3, and, eventually, Headquarters. Dad was always concerned about his daughter hearing the "salty" language in the engine houses but it was nothing compared to what you hear everywhere now. Loved the "firehouse coffee" at Headquarters where I think they started a pot first thing in the morning and just kept it going all day; almost strong enough to stand a spoon in <g>

When women were first allowed to apply to the department, I actually went and got an application though Dad wasn't too thrilled. Once I saw the physical test (carrying 60 lbs of line up and down five flights of stairs with two fifty lb air packs on your back) I had to admit defeat because I didnt weigh much more than the two air packs.
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Mtm...you just tole my story! My dad was Chief 2 and was down at HQ and had the Fireboat detail! I don't drink coffee but the ghoulash at the houses was the BEST!

We probably ran into each other back in the good old days at the Firemen's Field Days!
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Mtm
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DetroitTeacher,

Yes, we probaby did! To me, the Field Day was the same portent of fall that the State Fair is. Always around this time of year and always wonderful with the clowns, the band, the acts and, early on, the fireworks at the end. It made me feel so proud! I'm still incredibly proud of my Dad, still kicking at 85, after nearly 40 years on the DFD.
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what's going on with the ole Casa d'Espana there? looks like some sort of quasi-activity going on. sad story, that.....garlic dinner and flamenco, then drinks at the Kress.....hey waitaminnit. this post belongs on the "Agave Closed" thread.....
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P.S. While a tike, my older brother lost his last pacifier on the John Kendall.
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Mtm, I wrote a note to the firemen on the dfd messageboards. Here it is...you may feel the same way as I do (and a few other firebrats I keep in touch with).
Quote:

I am just one fireman's daughter. My dad was, and still is, my hero. I just wanted to say thanks to all the dads, uncles, grandpas and brothers who put their life on the line each day to protect and serve. When I was little, I used to listen carefully for the 11pm phone call, just one ring...to let mom know he was safe. After that, I could fall asleep. In the mornings, when he'd come home, I'd hop onto his lap and take a big sniff. That smokey smell was my comfort, knowing that dad had returned home safe. The birthdays and holidays that were put off until a day off were never a second thought. It was dad's job and I was proud to be his daughter. You men may not know how your kids feel. Maybe they are too young to express it, that is why I am doing it for them. Maybe they are older now, you're retired, like my dad. It doesn't matter...you will all always be heros. Next time you aren't sure or feel bad for missing a birthday or Christmas just remember this...we are proud to be your kids and we do understand. It's a part of our lives, we've never known anything different. I'm all grown up now with a kid of my own. I never forget my "family" of firemen and women and their families. It was a comfort growing up to have that......to know that we are loved by so many heros. Thanks a million, stay safe and know that we, your kids, are proud.
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Thank you, most sincerely, DetroitTeacher. You made my eyes well up. I also HAVE to share this with my brother though he's not Detroit.

That smokey smell when Dad got home. Hearing sirens and knowing which rigs were going. Being able to identify what's burning by smelling the smoke. Knowing, deep down in my heart that when Dad left in the morning it might be the last time I see him (and there were some close ones). It makes you appreciate and treasure the HEROS among us.

Thank you, again, DetroitTeacher.
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Does anyone know if the firehouse on Junction in SW Detroit is going to close or not? I see that they haven't moved to the new Public Safety Bldg on West fort St. yet.

I'm hoping they will stay in the historic home of The Junction Boys.
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Here's a list of DFD Engine and Ladder Companies. I started with a 1940 listing with the intent to see which ones were still around as I journeyed around the city. I added a few notes when I found relevant information, but it's still incomplete.

The columns give the engine company and co-located ladder company if one existed, the dates they were established (not necessarily the date the station was built), the address as of 1940, a few notes such as relocations, and the date the station closed, if known. Feel free to update it.

EngineestLadderest1940 Addresshistoryclosed
1186011864Wayne at LarnedE 1 moved to 111 Montcalm, 19911991
2186121871Larned & St AntoineL 2 ots 19511940
3186131881111 Montcalm, sw Parknow E 11976
41865 18th north of W Lafayette1976
51865201921435 Alexandrine, west of Cass
6186851889Vernor near Hastingsmoved to Russell & Wilkins 1956, L 5 ots 1976y
71874 Concord near E Jeffersonmoved to 3737 E Lafayette & Mt Elliott, 1970y
81873 Sixth & Bagleymoved to 1625 W Lafayette @ 10th1982
91880 Larned & Riopellemoved to 3737 E Lafayette& Mt Elliott
101883 16th & Templemoved to x-E14 w/ L101940
111884 Gratiot & Grandyoldest1975
12188691894Merrick & 12th1976
131887 Russell & Ferrymoved to L 11, 19511976
141888418843396 Vinewood & W Grand BlvdE 14, moved from Scotten 1929, now L 101940
151888 Hubbard near Fort1940
161893 foot 24thfireboat John Kendall1976
1718937Second & Burroughs
181893 Mt Elliott & Sylvester
19189461889E Congress & Jos CampauL 6 moved to E Lafayette & Mt Elliott1949
211896281927Gratiot & Baldwinre-est 1961 as City Airport CFR1940
201896 Linwood near Calvert
221896 Michigan & Military1983
231899 E Grand Blvd at Moran
24189915Kenilworth east Woodwardnow E 351940
251901 foot McDougallfireboat James R Elliott1940
26190114Crane at BrinkertE 26 dis
2719028Junction at Rogers
281905111906E Milwaukee at Riopelle1940
291907 W Jefferson at Solvay
301907 Rivard & Livingstonereorg at Meyers & Florence 19511940
311909 W Grand Blvd & Cobb Pl
321909 E Jefferson & Hart
33191213Lawndale & W Lafayette
341910 Livernois & Walton2005?
351911 Mt Vernon & Beaubienmoved to Kenilworth, foremr E 24 house1940
3619131619197000 Miller & Helennow E 64
371916 Central & Dix
381915291927Coplin n of E Jefferson
391916 Taylor & Byronmoved 14th & Blaine1983
40191617192012th & LaBellemoved to Dexter1980
411916 Rohns & E Warren
421917211927W Chicago & Livernois
431921 Davison & Goddard1983
4419211819217 Mile & John R
451922 St Jean & Mack1983
461921 Knodell & Grace
471922301928Mt Elliott & Davison
481924 Bayside & Saundersmoved to W Fort at Downing1980
491924 Grand River & Manor
501925231925Houston & Gratiot
511926241926Livernois & Curtis
521926311942Maistique & E Warren
531926251926Greenfield & Fenkell
541926261926Argus & Rockdalemoved to GR & Trinity 1930
551927271928Joy Rd & Ashton
561927 Ryan & Hildale
571927 Burt & Schoolcraft
581928 Whittier & Lakepointe
591930 Curtis & Fenmore
601931 Hoover & Manning
61? ?
62? ?
63? 2775 W Warren
64? 7000 Miller
65?19192110700 Shoemaker & French
66?2219226830 McGraw & Martin
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Mtm
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ARGH! How could I mess up that Ladder 16 was with Engine 36 instead of Engine 8? Engine 36/Ladder 16/Chief 3 was the last time Dad's company had a dog in the house. Baron was a great and gentle German Shephard who was great with kids but the city said that dogs couldn't be left in the engine house when the rigs were gone. Every dog that my folks had since then was named some variation of Baron.
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Another fireman's daughter here. My dad served at many of the east side houses, Coplin near Jefferson, Houston-Whittier, E. Grand River and Moran, Lafayette (working fire house closed down to build a casino -- what a stupid decision). I could never keep the engine and ladder numbers straight, just the locations.

We had a phone system, because the fireman could only make personal calls on pay phones. My mom would call him once every shift (but never between 1:00pm and 4:00pm, because that was down time). If my dad wanted to call, he would ring twice and hang up. My mom would call back. This way he didn't have to pay for the phone call.

He's many years retired but still hangs out with some of the other retirees.
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I meant to add, in my previous post, that we got a firehouse dog too, after the stations had to get rid of their dogs. He was from the EGB/Moran station.
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We also got a retired fire dog...Smiley. He came from Ladder 4. Best darn dog but he would try and escape when he heard a rig.

Isn't it amazing that firemen's kids have much the same story growing up? The phone call rings, the hugs and kisses?

My dad was relieved by Lt. Shimick in 87 when the warehouse fire took the lives of 3 firemen. Shimick was one who was killed. THAT really hit home since it was just hours after dad was off duty that this happened. I still can picture the Chaplain's car coming down our street and all the doors slowly open and a sigh of relief when it passed by. I can also remember all of us supporting his wife and kids. Dad was a pallbearer and it was the hardest thing he ever had to do. Even now, I tear up just thinking about it. MANY times the guys would stay over their shift it their house needed help. Dad wasn't home yet and we heard it on the news that the Lt. from his house was killed. Dad was a Lt. at the time. The news hit hard.

Dad has been retired just a few years but I can say that I am proud of my dad!
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I hate to do what may be obvious to many of the DFD posters here, but I found a great link with a lot of the info that MikeM is looking for and DFD may be looking for (of course DFD might be the webmaster for detroitfirefighters.net).

http://www.detroitfirefighters .net/firehouses.htm
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The architecture of Detroit fire houses is one thing that makes you proud to be a Detroiter. Not too many cities can boast of firehouses as fine looking as these!
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Dff.net is a great site! I posted my Thanks to our Heros there. Great place for we firebrats to keep updated about the rest of the "family". Thanks for the link Bvos. I was going to post it but thought it was common knowledge among DFD buffs.
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Thanks Bvos!
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Has a major history thread been done on the DFD or firehouses before?

I know I seem to always run across a firehouse when I'm looking at the old maps, so if someone wants to appoint themselves the keeper of this thread (besides the usual suspects) and keep it alive, I'll post anything I come up with while doing other stuff.

Got a spreadsheet of that table MikeM, it needs a Sanborn # column?
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No, it has not.

Yes, I'll send it.
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Mtm
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I'm floored by how much we firebrats have in common! Always the single ring to say good night at our house, too.

Dad was with the band (imagine DFD used to have a full band!) and my brother and I often accompanied him to firefighter funerals. Echo taps still ALWAYS gets to me.

Ok, here's a cheerier one: ever have Christmas dinner in the engine house and hope they didn't get a run?
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Mtm, sure did!! Complete with Santa and gifts from the guys!! We also had the three day holidays at home (it was the whole neighborhood, not just us...so it was Christmas for a week). Those that worked the Eve got the Day at home. Those that worked the Day, got the Eve at home. Then there was the day before Christmas Eve burn center outing where we took presents to the burned kids.

Every other holiday was the same way.

Anyone remember their dad "breaking out" to attend recitals, concerts, plays, Parent/Teacher conferences? Full dress uniform and a Dept car!! Those were the days. My dad even did that for my son (my son was BEAMING with pride).
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About the only thing Dad could break out for were DFD band rehersals. But, once Dad became chief, particularly when he no longer had a driver, he would sometimes stop by the house in route to HQ or other Engine Houses. And, YES! the pride in the entire neighborhood with Dad in uniform and his big bright car. (Part of the reason I wanted to join DFD was hoping to become Dad's driver or, at least, work beside him.)
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How about the discipline that was doled out to we kids by the entire fire dept? That was what stunk about living and growing up in "the family". If dad wasn't around then someone else would step up (and was allowed to do so and was often called in by the mother to help out). I had at least 10 surrogate fathers while growing up (come to think of it, I still do). It's just amazing how close we really are and how many people firebrats can count on.

I remember once, in college, my car broke down. Called dad and he sent one of the rigs out (he wasn't in the area and the rig was closer and was on a grocery run anyway) to help me out.

I also had dreams of becoming a FireFighter. Dad crushed that dream when he forbid me to do it.

There is a bond amongst us firebrats that no one else can really understand. My non-firebrat friends never really related to our lifestyle (not seeing dad for 24 hours and worrying when he didn't call). I found comfort in the "family" and still do.
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Mtm
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DetroitTeacher,

I didn't quite enjoy the same extended family that you were blessed with, probably because Dad was all over the place. Our neighbors, though, sure looked out for us and made sure we didn't get into anything. Dad still lives in the old Detroit neighborhood and neighbors still look out for him.

My Dad also wasn't thrilled with me wanting to join and, although I had already realized that I wasn't physically capable (as Dad always said about women firefighters), he really brought it home when one of the first women accepted fell and broke her pelvis while at the Academy and went on lifetime disability.

(Message edited by mtm on August 16, 2006)
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Dfd
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Wow, I've really enjoyed this thread! Here is another link for firehouse information.
http://box42.net/dfdarchives_staloca.shtml
I'm a fireman in northern KY. and some of us make trips to Detroit occasionally to visit the guys at DFD. They always make us feel welcome and treat us GREAT. I'm going to reference this thread on the Detroitfirefighters.net forum. They could use a good pick-me-up.
Keep the stories and pictures coming!
What are the duties of the "keeper of the thread"? Do the firebrats remember the TV hanging on the kitchen wall?

Dfdkitchen
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Dfd
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Here are more kitchen pictures from Headquarters.


HQ

HQmesshall
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Mtm
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Dfd,

Oh, yeah on the wall TV. And those white brick walls REALLY take me back.

I'm probably dating myself here, but I also remember the bell on the wall near the phone that would toll the box number back in the day when there were fire alarm boxes on corners. (If we were talking to Dad and we heard the bell in the background, we knew to stop talking so Dad could count the bells.)

When DFD got rid of all the boxes, Dad got one that's probably somewhere in his basement. I think he also still has an old spitoon from Headquarters; by the time he retired, he was probably the only one who still chewed (and still does!)
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Here is the joker stand (with alarm bell)at the 18s.

18sjoker

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Mtm,
Do you know what intersection your dad's firebox came from?
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Dfd,

Okay, here I go dating myself again but that was probably close to 30 years ago. Dad started stripping it but never got through all of it.
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Here's the Central Alarm building which stood at the corner of Hastings and Macomb. Built in 1920 and torn down in _____ ? This is where all the alarm boxes around the city were wired to, and from where crews would be dispatched to fires, pre 911 service:

 DFD Central Alarm

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SWEET!
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I remember Central. Dad took me there several times though I don't remember why we went. I'm guessing that it was torn down in the late 70's or early 80's?
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For a few decades Detroit had a seperate, high-pressure hydrant system. I'd like to know more about it if anyone has any information. A special pumping station was built at the foot of Randolph to supply the system. I'd love to see a picture of the exterior of this building. From the book "Detroit Fire Historical Record", author unknown:


quote:

DFD High Pressure Station

"Interior of Detroit's High Pressure Pumping Station at the foot of Randolph Street. The building was erected in 1921 at a cost of $145,057, plus an additional $167,325 for constructing the wharf. The High Pressure System went in service in 1922 along with the related hydrant system being completed in the downtown high value area and along the waterfront. Shown are the 6 Dean Hill Multi-Stage Pumps used to supply the system. Each powered by 700 h.p. motors and could deliver 2,500 gallons per minute at 300 lbs pressure. Due to restrictions by the Health Department and Civic Center, freeway, and urban renewal construction, the High Pressure System was placed out of service in the month of March, 1956.


Four stations had the necessary equipment to use the HP system:

Engine 1, HP Co 1, Wayne at Larned
Engine 9, HP Co 2, Larned & Riopelle
Engine 8, HP Co 3, Sixth & Bagley
Engine 7, HP Co 4, Concord near E Jefferson


DFD HP Stations
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A brief article on the interconnection of the alarm station and Detroit Edison HQ:


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house


3812 Mt. Elliott

fire

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Great shots Mikem and Dfd!

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DetNews Rearview Mirror on DFD:

http://info.detnews.com/history/story/index.cfm?id=111&category=government


wsu/vmc
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Great Buildings, Great Storys, Great History, Great thread.

I'm a cop's kid, and some of the comments brought a tear to my eye.

Thanks everyone
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Any pics of the one on Grand River next to Christ the King School/church??
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My brother in law was stationed at the Old Redford firehouse. It was good for his kids to be able to come and see their dad.

To this day, he can only cook for 100 people.
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Not to get depressing but seeing the inside of the doors at Headquarters, reminded me that a tillerman once died because he stood up as the ladder (Snorkel??) was leaving.

Now, on a more amusing one: When Dad was getting one of his official department pictures taken he had to get it done at Headquarters. Dad is a former Marine (WWII) so he was perfectly spit-polished from hed to toe. Just as he was walking in the side door, a pidgeon dumped on him and it went from the top of his hat, to the visor, down the front of his uniform, and splatted on his perfectly polished shoe.
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I also remember the TV on the wall on the kitchen and the silence during the bells. I also have a few of the old pull boxes. Mtm, remember folding dad's sheets? That was MY job and I was thrilled.

We lived in a neighborhood of cops and firemen, so I guess I had that closeness. Still keep in contact with most of the brats we lived around.

I used to park in DFD HQ when I had to park for an event downtown. Dad still hangs out at Ladder 4 (he likes the food)...says they have the BEST cook on the FD. I run into guys all the time (mostly at work) who speak fondly of my dad. What else can I say... Dad received so many nice thank yous and gifts when he retired. I'll see if I can take pics of some of them when I go over there next (he usually comes to my house but I get out there every few months). Many of them are nostalgic DFD items.
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DetroitTeacher,

I didn't have to fold Dad's sheets but it did have to get his white shirts, which had been stained with smoke and ash, washed to a perfect white. Military press had to be perfect,too. Guess that's why I'm so fussy about my husband's shirts now.

We were the only department family in our neighborhood so you had much more of that than we did. But, Dad's visits stood out more because they were a bit of a rarity on the block.

Dad's retirement was more than a quarter century ago so most recent firefighters probaby wouldn't remember him anymore. BUT, his den at home is FILLED with pictures, awards, notes, etc. from his retirement.

Funny, even though much time has passed, I'm still the DFDbrat I always was.
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DetroitTeacher,

Drop me an email if you don't mind, I have a couple quesitons about the Fireboat.

WPS
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We owned the John Kendall from about 1984 until we scrapped it in 1994. Our plans for it just did not work out, but it was a beautiful boat. The city had taken very good care of it. Sorry, I didn't find the pacifier when I was on it. The biggest thing about the Kendall that I remember was riding my bike around the deck without having to stop at the corners. Most tugs you can't even get a bike down the sides of the cabins, let alone riding....
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From a 1921 map, showing the planned location and layout of the High Pressure Pumping Station:



The note explains that it will "...have 6 Midway Engine Co. centrifugal pumps, 2500 gallons per minute, each against 700' head, 6 750 h.p motors, 3 pumps to be installed at this time pumping from chambers under pumps which is kept filled by gravity intake."

The intake from the river to the station is a 6' x 6' concrete duct. Leading out of the station are three 20" high pressure water pipes connecting to what I assume was a previously installed fire boat line. In the bottom right corner (southeast) is a riverside hydrant to which a fire boat could connect. Underneath the streets were water lines up to 16" diameter leading to fire hydrants. Through this connection, a fire boat could pressurize the lines to provide higher pressure and flow rates than was probably possible at the time using truck mounted equipment. The new High Pressure Pumping Station was probably built to replace or supplement the use of the fireboat in this mannner. A 20" line extended up Randolph to Larned where it branched out into 16", 12", and 8" fire boat lines. As of 1921, the network extended as far north in the CBD as JohnR/Gratiot.
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A note to the map gives some fire department statistics from 1920:

8151 steamer hydrants
225 high pressure hydrants
55,000' of high pressure fire boat lines
pressure ranges from 16psi - 79 psi
1061 active fireman
39 fire engine companies - 11 horse drawn steamers and 28 motor driven pumping engines
2 fire boats each with two pumps, one at 7500 gpm, other at 6500 gpm
16 ladder companies, 1 horse drawn and 15 motor driven ladder trucks
3 squad companies with motors
2 hose companies with motor driven hose wagons
1 motor driven water tower

The Gamewell Inc fire alarm telegraph system consisted of 1819 alarm boxes, 507 miles of overhead wire, and 1917 miles of underground wire.
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Mtm, visits from all of our dads was a great occasion (especially if they brought the rig). You're right, though. Your dad coming home on duty was probably much more of a to-do than in our neighborhood. My dad probably remembers your dad (as my dad was on the dept by the time your dad retired).

Wow, I just love this thread. Brings back some fond memories.
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This site has some way cool pics, great info, etc., from Detroit. Very wonderful organization of IAFF members!!

http://www.box42.net/index.sht ml
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This site has some way cool pics, great info, etc., from Detroit. Very wonderful organization of IAFF members!!

http://www.box42.net/index.sht ml
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Hey, Teacher!

As a Chief's daughter did you get the "A Chief's daughter can't go out looking like that!" meaning sloppy clothes, no makeup, (maybe godforbid! bra-less!), etc. Even today, I dress professionally for work (i.e. suit, pumps, face and hair done) though most others dress VERY casually. Sorry, after so many years, I still feel that, if I went in to work in shorts and a tank-top or wasn't fully madeup that I'd somehow shame my Dad and I just can't do that.
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Teach,

Me again. Dad was 203 when he retired. Your Dad should know what that means.

Dad also gets Box42 newsletters though I've never gotten him in to computers even though that's how I've earned my living since giving up on the DFD - actually even before but it wasn't my first avocation.

And, yes, I'm REALLY enjoying sharing these memories with others who I didn't know lived through the same experiences and feelings as I did. THANK YOU, MY FRIEND!
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Mtm, I wasn't living at home when dad was Chief so I didn't get much of that. He did, however, have to scrutinize every date I had (including other DFD brats). He KNEW these guys, heck, we knew each other since birth almost but he still had to threaten them. I always tried to schedule dates on dad's workdays :-)

I think things were a bit more lax when I was growing up with the whole dress code for firebrats. I do know that mom had to make sure the house was kept neat and tidy in case "brothers" came over (which was ALL the time). Dad still cooks for 100 when he makes "house ghoulash".

I have his old helmets all stashed in a box and his turnout gear is to belong to my son, one day. I still remember my son going to the house with grandpa and the excitement in his eyes. We used to put him in grandpa's boots and helmet...it was too funny a sight.

Would love to hear stories or memories from other firebrats (I remember the white t-shirts and the pressed sanfrys, too). Thanks Mtm for sharing your stories. It does work wonders when we know that others remember the same things we do.
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DFD, what I mean by keeper is the thread, is husbanding material so that you can keep the thread on the main page, by having new info/history/stories to post. By asking this question, you are it.

I've started in on the 1884 Sanborn maps for the Westside. Here is Engine 1/Ladder 1 on the corner of Wayne (Washington Blvd) and W Larned.

DFD Engine 1/Ladder 1 1884

I wonder how many times they had to respond to something at the perfume and extract mfg that was just a little east of them? Lots of volatiles used for that, and no safety standards back then.

(Message edited by hornwrecker on August 16, 2006)
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Jan- A long time ago I frequented the Houston Inn across from the firehouse. One of the firemen would run across for a quicky now and then. Of course everyone called him "sparky".
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"DFD, what I mean by keeper is the thread, is husbanding material so that you can keep the thread on the main page, by having new info/history/stories to post. By asking this question, you are it."

Proud to serve! Dfd
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Anyone have a photo of the Engine #43 Firehouse on Davison and Goddard?

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Any of you brats ever run up and down these stairs !?!
Mikem thanks for the data from the 1920s. I want to study it more later.




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Engine 43 photo.


http://detroitfirefighters.net /images/DFDEng43.jpg
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Never ran up and down stairs except to run up so I could slide down the pole! My old haunt is Ladder 4 at Vinewood and the Blvd. When they did away with the poles, I had no reason to go upstairs (most of the time some of the guys were sleeping and dad forbid us to disturb them).
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