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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 1:30 pm: |    |
I want to understand why EDS doesn't give their employees notice. A coworker was just "walked out," a total shock to everyone. I've heard this is happening all over, but never experienced it first-hand before. These are just budget-cut eliminations, not kooky people they're worried about.
What is the logic of the suits who decide to treat their people this way? It's bizarre and humiliating and I'm just floored.
(Message edited by Amy P. on June 28, 2007) |
Larryinflorida
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 1:33 pm: | |
You might sabotage their electronic data services.
Or shoot the place up.
Both have happened.
I'm sorry.
Seems totally uncool. |
Iheartthed
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 1:51 pm: | |
Or take some secrets with you to a competitor.
It does seem a bit strange to have only one person be cut just because of budget issues. |
Ndavies
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 1:56 pm: | |
All of the auto companies do this. It is standard practice today.
Here if you give your 2 week notice they walk you out on the spot. |
Amy_p
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 2:00 pm: | |
Wow, I feel so Laura Ingalls. When did this become standard? |
Defendbrooklyn
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 2:02 pm: | |
What is EDS? |
Civilprotectionunit4346
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 2:03 pm: | |
Amy P. I work for the same company as you..but not the same contract company. I see what you mean, ive seen them give alot of the people that where I work the run around. Yeah this is one of the reasons...a good possibility my next car...is not from one of the big three... |
Wash_man
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 2:07 pm: | |
Since when did people getting let go for any reason "get notice". If you are lucky, you will get a severance package. That's the notice. "Your pay and/or benefits will end on.." |
Rooms222
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 2:32 pm: | |
EDS had that policy 17 years ago when I was there...They have many things in their corporate dna that date back to Ross Perot. Other companies seem to have moved closer to EDS in their policies over the years.... |
Oldredfordette
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 2:49 pm: | |
At will employees. Organize a union. |
Darwinism
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 2:55 pm: | |
It is sad but reality speaks louder each day about corporate America, folks.
Companies are becoming bolder and bolder in the way they treat employees. Anybody, regardless of how long you have committed your working life to the company, may be terminated without very much advance notice. Unless you have deep pockets, like the CEO or CFO or top level management, what are you going to do ? Sue them ? Well, they dare you to spend your moolah and time to do just that.
This EDS act is nothing extraordinary. Just another day in the life of an employer and an employee. |
Wash_man
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 3:01 pm: | |
I work in the automotive supply chain. I once saw a co-worker get called out of a meeting. He came back in minutes later to tell us (co-workers AND customers) that he had just been let go. He offered to finish the meeting and share information. We all felt so bad about this awkward situation. After he left, we finished our meeting like nothing happened. I'll never forget it. If I remember correctly, our boss was leaving for the day and had to let him go before he (the boss) left. |
Islandman
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 3:12 pm: | |
I worked for EDS in the Old GM Building back in '99. As we were coming in on a Monday to start the workweek, we noticed a much larger security force than usual.
All of the EDS offices were in the "back" from the main entrance, so everyone had to pass though the central hallway.
All of the security guards had clipboards, and some of them were stopping certain people. I continued on to my desk. Everyone was wondering what was going on, when our supervisor told us they were "laying people off".
Thousands of EDS employees lost their jobs that day. We lost one person from my immediate group. Just so happened to be a guy that worked there for 10 years, had 3 kids, and was catching the bus from the northwest side because his car broke down.
They didn't even let you in the building in this case. The security guards' clipboard had pictures of who was getting let go, and were escorting them off of the premises before they even got to their desks.
Great way to find out you don't have a job. This day taught me a lot about how much corporations care about their employees first hand. |
Islandman
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 3:16 pm: | |
Defend, EDS stands for Electronic Data Systems. |
Spartacus
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 3:31 pm: | |
It sucks to get fired, but why would EDS (or any employer) want to keep someone around after they fired them? Who would that benefit exactly? |
_sj_
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 3:36 pm: | |
It people wouldn't place others in harms way when they lose their job they wouldn't have to do this. |
Dannaroo
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 3:49 pm: | |
I guess I am another member of the group who has never heard of an employer giving notice to their an employee that they are letting them go. The following scenario would probably create more problems than it would solve:
John Q Employee: "Hey Boss, how was your weekend?"
Boss: "Well John it was pretty nice, but I'm sorry to have to tell that we're going to have to fire you a week from Friday."
John Q Employee: "Oh, well, that's too bad. But I look forward to putting in two more weeks of work at 100% of my normal production level!"
Boss: "I knew we could count on you to tough it out and see it our way." |
Jerome81
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 4:09 pm: | |
Exactly danaroo.
Even "sane" people could snap if something like this happened. Yeah it is humiliating and sucks, but if somebody went postal or destroyed property or stole secrets or erased data or any of that stuff, the company would really be in a bind.
With that said there are ways to do it to lessen the horrible feeling. A sit down meeting with an honest discussion is a lot better than security guys showing up, standing around while you collect your things and then throwing you out.
With that said, I don't have a problem with the system. Employment is agree upon that either party can terminate the employment at any time. An employee giving 2 weeks isn't required, and same with the employer. You take a job and realize this is just the way business works.
Yeah, it would suck. But I'm not going to go out and blame the system. It works like it is intended. In fact, I like the way it works. |
Cambrian
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 4:27 pm: | |
Basically they don't treat people with respect and dignity because they don't have to, and when you the fired employee just bows your head and takes it, they have no incentive to do otherwise.
(Message edited by cambrian on June 28, 2007) |
Supersport
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 4:40 pm: | |
quote:Yeah this is one of the reasons...a good possibility my next car...is not from one of the big three...
Hate to rain on your parade, but the same thing happens within the Japanese companies. I saw first hand a woman escorted out in tears by a former Japanese employer. |
Yvette248
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 6:02 pm: | |
My friend was also just let go from EDS. After several years in a pretty high-level position, to just be shown the door is pretty embarrassing. |
Gargoyle
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 7:08 pm: | |
One wonders how much treatment like this contributes to workplace violence. If I recall correctly, the guy who killed the lady at the tax service in Troy wasn't fired that day, but some time before. He used his new free time to spiral on down his antisocial road and plan his revenge.
That being said, I don't know what the alternative should be. Companies certainly have the right to keep only the employees they want or need. But perhaps they could manage the evil news with some dignity for the employee.
Any suggestions? |
Paulmcall
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 7:53 pm: | |
I remember when YOU were supposed to give them a 2 week notice if you left for another job. You think that should apply today too? |
Focusonthed
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 7:54 pm: | |
I used to work at an advertising agency. When people were let go, they were told and then were given 5-10 minutes to collect things, and then asked to leave. It was a much smaller company than EDS, but I'm sure if it was that large, we would have had security. It has more to do with trade secrets than anything. Some of you guys have no idea what common, run of the mill office people have or have access to on their computers. It's pretty big time. It's for everyone's best interests, and frankly, if you ask me, if I was fired, I'd rather just go home. I don't want to hang around and continue to put in "work" for someone that just fired me. Fuck you guys, I'm going home. |
Jerome81
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 8:06 pm: | |
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Jimaz
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 8:32 pm: | |
I too remember when the two weeks notice was standard. If either party didn't give notice, it was regarded unprofessional. The two weeks were used to manage the transition for the good of the firm.
OTOH, I don't recall severance packages being so common back then.
I guess today it's more about the money than the professionalism. How times have changed. |
Wash_man
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 8:43 pm: | |
The company I work for doesn't offer severance packages. I feel I wouldn't owe them any notice if I left. I would probably give some though because I would just be screwing over my co-workers/friends that have to pick up the pieces. |
Yvette248
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 8:58 pm: | |
I agree. If employees are expected to give notice out of consideration for the employer, then the reverse should be true also. Okay, so the computer files thing make sense, but at least give them the dignity of saying goodbye to everyone and packing up their desk without Nazis standing over their head if they were a long-time, faithful employee. |
Gibran
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 9:00 pm: | |
EDS has a long history of ultra-conservative approaches to the work place...established in Dallas, it really was a orwellian type company...you guys should investigate how the company was founded and by what means...I don't have all the facts so I can't post...
but let's just say it reinforcers the old concept; that if I don't act trustworthy than I will expect those around me not to act trustworthy... |
Focusonthed
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 9:31 pm: | |
Haha Jerome81, nice. |
Deegee
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 9:47 pm: | |
I worked for EDS over 25 years ago in
Chicago. They gave us plenty of notice that the contract for work was not renewed so we employees would be layed off. We were offered a bonus if we stayed until the last day. We were also offered assistance in the how-to of job hunting. Sounds like this was not the norm. |
Patrick
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 9:52 pm: | |
They always say not to burn your bridges but I do suppose there are exceptions. I mean, companies fuck with everyone so I think the 2 week thing is a little too nice these days. They will drop your ass with no warning so if you find something better….go for it. I was laid off from a smaller ad agency a while back and man it sucked. I was escorted to my desk to get my things and walked to the elevator. Bastards. They didn’t cut all the jobs at once. They would do three one week and 4 the next. No one was around but it still felt humiliating to say the least. |
Gannon
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| | Posted on Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 10:10 pm: | |
Deegee,
Just for curiosity sake, what was the size of the recording medium used to store your client's data when you were with EDS?!
My guess is that the smaller the medium, or easier access to the internet for data transfer, the quicker the termination from employment.
Twenty-five years ago, it was not possible to download the entire firm's database into a pocket-sized portable storage device. |
Jrvass
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 12:29 am: | |
Gannon,
I worked for EDS. Once they called a meeting and announced that those returning to their desks and had a "post-it" note on their monitor would be escorted out. "Your supervisor will mail you your personal effects".
Many left before me, many good people after me.
You could not afford enough PDA's to hold all of the data I could gather. Why?
On an almost daily basis, I learn that there are people 20 years older and younger than me, that know more about computers than me.
I have no desire to sell data to earn a trip to the state pen.
James |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 3:02 am: | |
Gannon makes a good point. Folks working on mainframe computers were less likely to walk away with company secrets (partly due to the sheer volume of data stored), than are PC based computer folks.
They are also less likely to do damage to the company databases, partly since mainframe upgrades and changes are often tracked and identified. On a PC one often has a free reign. |
Sirrealone
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 9:36 am: | |
I worked for a company that, before I got there, laid off about half the workforce via a conference call. Everyone in the company got a meeting notice to attend one of two conference calls. The first group was told "If you're listening to this, thanks, but you're done here." Afterwards the second group got to hear that they were spared. |
Cambrian
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 10:07 am: | |
Like I said above, if you're fired and you feel it is unjust you can do one of several legal things and the company has to spend it's resources addressing your claim. And you may even win. If more people did that instead of just taking it, it would maybe cause these corporations to take pause and consider thier actions before they decided to "clean house". |
_sj_
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 10:08 am: | |
It does suck, but really imagine what would happen if they didn't take these measures.
Once again we expect to treated with kid gloves but refuse to act like adults. |
Crash_nyc
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 10:14 am: | |
Par for the course for any company with a lot to lose if it's (former) employees decided to retaliate.
I experienced this a few years ago when I worked for a video post-production house in Manhattan, which housed millions of dollars of equipment within. When D-day came, we showed up on a Wednesday, and they told everyone that they'd be paid through Friday, then most were immediately escorted out to the street.
Any of us who were fortunate enough to still have access to the facility over the next two days had personal security escorts following us around with clipboards. Our every move was documented. It was a little disturbing. I remember stepping into a bathroom to take a dump, and the amount of time I spent in the stall was timed & documented, down to the second. |
Darwinism
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 10:39 am: | |
Here's where it doesn't make too much sense .....
If someone is going to be untrusted at the time of departure, why hire him/her in the first place ? Basically, if you are going to be afraid that this person will do damage to your data or your company - chances are his/her character should have been scrutinize at the very beginning prior to the hiring.
I point my fingers at the companies who did not do their due diligence during the hiring process because if the person is shady enough to steal corporate secrets, it would have been done during the first few days on the job. If the person has been a good employee for a decade, what are the chances he/she will become evil overnight ? As far as corporate hounds are concerned, all of them become Satan overnight. |
Crash_nyc
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 10:57 am: | |
That's ridiculous, Darwinism.
No one can predict at the time of hiring someone what their reactions might be far down the road and how their personalities might change. What would someone's knee-jerk reaction be, immediately after they've been unexpectedly fired from a job after 10 years of faithful service? Very different among a vast array of people.
Sure, I was creeped-out by someone documenting my dump-time when my former employer went out of business, but I didn't take it personally. It's strange, but it comes with the territory.
In extreme circumstances (such as mass layoffs, or a complete shut down), any business (big or small) would be smart to take extreme measures to protect themselves. |
Darwinism
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 11:25 am: | |
Crash_nyc: You're probably fine with security guards standing outside your stall, because the company went out of business. Heck, there is no company to go back to after all. Is EDS closing shop ? I doubt it. It is certainly NOT ridiculous to find out everything about the individual before hiring. Want a good reference - check the Zoo Director thread. Speaking from first-hand experience, I was a partner in a small business and very involved with personnel duties. Trust me when I say that I do everything possible to make sure the people I hire are people that I trust whether I cut them a paycheck or not.
Think about it, if the person is going to go postal or destroy the company ..... do you think he wouldn't do it once you timed his bathroom business and escorted him to the parking lot ? If companies are really into taking extreme measures to protect themselves, they might wish to start putting ankle bracelets and tracking the whereabouts of all ex-employees. |
Rb336
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 11:29 am: | |
Two week notice -- If you give a two week notice, do it in a written format -- email leaves a paper trail, cc yourself at a different email address. IF you give two weeks notice and they walk you out, the company HAS to pay you for those two weeks in some states |
Detroit_girl
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 11:38 am: | |
I have a friend who was unceremoniously laid off from EDS after working there for 20 years. I once had a crappy job at Pier 1 that I was fired from and the manager asked me to keep working there for another 2 weeks so she could find my replacement. I told her to f*ck off, of course. I was laid off from an automotive-related job in the exact same way described here. They tell you you're done, stand over your shoulder as you pack, and escort you out in about 10 minutes. However, I got a good severance package, and it was summer, so I was more than happy to leave that boring job. See ya! |
_sj_
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 12:29 pm: | |
Darwinism, that is all fine and good, however you can not guarantee their mental state during their employment. |
Paulmcall
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 12:36 pm: | |
And people still wonder why there was a need for unions? |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 7:24 pm: | |
When I worked for Ameritech in the 1990's, they announced that the bottom 5% were going to be layed off in about a months time. That gave everyone 1 month with little incentive for productivity, as well as ample time to take out work secrets (or documentation).
When it came time for the fateful day, while those were being "tapped on the shoulder", the bosses went around and told the rest of us that our jobs were safe. At least the folks who were escorted out were given the dignity to go around to tell everyone goodbye. It was heart wrenching for those that stayed on.
Since that time everyone at the company made sure to have ample copies of their work stashed at home (even though it had a proprietary clause on the bottom of the documents), so that future employers could see what they were capable of (including program listings and design documents). |
Unclefrank
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 8:02 pm: | |
I work for EDS. We just lost two people from our account today. Even the admin who supported us from another site got cut. I think there was a large reduction in personnel from GM accounts. |
Livernoisyard
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| | Posted on Friday, June 29, 2007 - 8:09 pm: | |
quote:I work for EDS. We just lost two people from our account today. Even the admin who supported us from another site got cut. I think there was a large reduction in personnel from GM accounts.
GM's selling off profitable Allison for gaining operating capital for running its core business says a lot... Expect more reductions.
It's too bad that Granholm couldn't see to it to fire some from the super-bloated "work" force of 56,000 state employees. |
Digitaldom
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| | Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 10:51 pm: | |
I just quit EDS actually.. I know about the layoffs.. Many people I have known over the years have been layed off there.. I know why.. The GM account is NOT profitable.. simple as that.. I just starting working for another IT company.. so far so good.. we shall see.. I knew those cuts were coming and I know the person behind and I understand his reasoning as well.. EDS has TOO much overhead.. but it's not people.. it's billing.. and overall it boils down to GM.. Wanted the cheapest price for everything.. they want quality and don't want to pay for it...
EDS has weird policies when it comes down to it.. and they work you to the bone..
As I said.. I will not reveal whom is behind this even though I left the company.. Bc I respect the man doing it.. he is cutting where it needs to be done.. simple as that.. |
_sj_
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| | Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 10:07 am: | |
quote:and overall it boils down to GM.. Wanted the cheapest price for everything.. they want quality and don't want to pay for it...
Yep, gotta keep cutting everyone else so they can continue to over pay their current employees with benefits they can't afford. But hey make sure you buy American so they can keep their jobs. |
Lilpup
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| | Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 10:18 am: | |
Then, of course, there's _sj_, who earns every nickel five times over and is infinitely more deserving than any other human on the face of the planet. |
Quozl
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| | Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 10:21 am: | |
Oldredfordette wrote:
quote:At will employees. Organize a union.
That is just too funny ORF. |
Unclefrank
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| | Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 12:38 pm: | |
Good post Digitaldom. I really wonder if EDS is positioning itself to drop GM as a client. |
_sj_
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| | Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 1:00 pm: | |
quote:Then, of course, there's _sj_, who earns every nickel five times over and is infinitely more deserving than any other human on the face of the planet.
The basic knowledge of business and revenues and expenses that is lacking in this state is unreal.
Let me lay it out for you. The Big Three pay $10 Billion, yes that is a B, in Health Care Expenses each year. Yet their market share is dropping fast. So guess what, they can not longer afford to give you these high priced benefits anymore. Why because they no longer control a majority of the market and they never will again.
So what happens, the markets corrects, the economy downsizes, but the unionist still expect the same old benefits that can not be provided not anymore.
Who cares if poor old sole loses his job at EDS, but be damned they better buy American. |
Spacemonkey
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| | Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 1:21 pm: | |
When I was laid off from my job in advertising for Chrysler, I was simply tarred and feathered and tossed out a window. |
Unclefrank
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| | Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 1:21 pm: | |
If I am not mistaken, the profits that GM earns in places like China is what finances the obligations that they still have here. |
Islandman
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| | Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 1:41 pm: | |
Unclefrank,
There is no way that EDS could ever afford to lose GM as a client. They (EDS) will do what they always have; do the bidding of GM, no matter what the cost. They will (and have) lay off thousands before dropping GM.
If anything, it would be the other way around, but that relationship is too symbiotic for that to ever happen without major repercussions. |
Cambrian
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| | Posted on Friday, July 06, 2007 - 2:37 pm: | |
"Let me lay it out for you. The Big Three pay $10 Billion, yes that is a B, in Health Care Expenses each year."
If they don't like it. Then maybe they shoulda been a little less generous with the early retirements they handed out by the thousands in the 90s and early 00s.
Penny wise and pound foolish all the way to bankruptcy court. That's our domestic auto biz for ya! |