  Patrick Member Username: Patrick Post Number: 4703 Registered: 10-2003 |
Best presidential candidate for auto industry So, out of all the candidates, who would best meet the needs of Detroit’s automakers? Edwards? Hillary? Romney? It seems as if Edwards has been the only one discussing the current issues the Big 3 now face. What’s your take? | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1187 Registered: 04-2006 |
"It seems as if Edwards has been the only one discussing the current issues the Big 3 now face. " Healthcare costs? I think that's really the biggest issue facing them now... | ||
Patrick Member Username: Patrick Post Number: 4704 Registered: 10-2003 |
That's one of the biggest issues yes. not the only one, but a big one. It seems as if the other candidates have kept their mouths shut in regards to Detroit. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3283 Registered: 02-2005 |
The candidate that is best for Detroit and Michigan is the one that will enable the area to get OUT of the manufacturing sector ASAP. No handouts, no corporate welfare, and no socialized medicine, please. Any candidate who will focus on policies that will help American cities is a good one for Detroit. Cutting the federal highway budget so that we can stop subsidizing sprawl is a good way to start. Rebuilding inter-city rail and providing money for the creation of regional transit systems would be great. Creating tax incentives for developers who build urban buildings in urban spaces would be great. Another idea: tax deductions for people who move to downtowns or neighborhoods with transit lines, to reward them for helping to lower our energy demand (ironically, this will hurt the auto industry). So, to conclude, the candidate that is the best for Detroit is not neccesarily the one who might help the Big 3. Obama, for the dems, and Giuliani on the other side, are our best choices. I'll vote Giuliani because he's a republican and a mayor with some very unique experiences. | ||
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn Post Number: 441 Registered: 04-2006 |
Mackinaw, for a republican, you sound pretty cool... (except for your dislike of national healthcare, but nobody is perfect) In terms of who to vote for, we somewhat agree... Obama for the dems Giuliani for the republicans but i'm going with Obama (assuming he makes it to the finals, to put it in sports terms) | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 1228 Registered: 12-2006 |
Anybody but Hillary 08. (I really need to find a T-Shirt that says that) | ||
Quozl Member Username: Quozl Post Number: 979 Registered: 07-2005 |
Try this Scs100: http://www.cafepress.com/shoptheright/559264  | ||
Ericdetfan Member Username: Ericdetfan Post Number: 121 Registered: 02-2007 |
lol, too bad the anybody but bush ones didn't work.... | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 1229 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thanks Quozl. Been looking for something like that for a few months now. | ||
Kid_dynamite Member Username: Kid_dynamite Post Number: 143 Registered: 06-2007 |
I've got some better ones for you Scs100 http://www.thoseshirts.com/ant i-hillary-shirts.html | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1188 Registered: 04-2006 |
>Anybody but Hillary 08. If it comes to her and Giuliani then I'll take Bloomberg. | ||
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn Post Number: 444 Registered: 04-2006 |
candidates that I would actually like but who won't run or won't make it: Kucinich Gore Bloomberg Archer (Dennis) [god knows he'd be pro-detroit] | ||
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100 Post Number: 1230 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thanks Kid. I've seen a couple of those before somewhere. | ||
Docmo Member Username: Docmo Post Number: 280 Registered: 10-2005 |
I don't see how anyone could endorse Obama as the best candidate for the Big 3/Detroit. His talk to the Detroit Economic Club on May 11th was a slap in the face to much of Detroit. As much as I am a dues paying member of the Anybody but Hillary club, she, at least, has shown some concern for the economic mess Detroit and the Big 3 has right now. That cannot be said of Obama. Giuliani 2008!!!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18 620352/site/newsweek/ | ||
Jasoncw Member Username: Jasoncw Post Number: 391 Registered: 07-2005 |
Bill Richardson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B ill_Richardson I don't know much about him, or if he'd be good or not, but he said in an interview once that he highly valued mass transit, and that he would want it equal with highway funding. Also, he was a UN Ambassador, having to do with some of the middle eastern countries, and he's the Governor of New Mexico. And also the Secretary of Enegery. So he's probably in touch with issues related to those things. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 1933 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'm a Richardson backer too. And Mackinaw, I agree with your post #3283 (except for your candidate choices... although I might consider Giuliani). Great post. | ||
Kid_dynamite Member Username: Kid_dynamite Post Number: 144 Registered: 06-2007 |
I'm going Giuliani all the way. | ||
Jdkeepsmiling Member Username: Jdkeepsmiling Post Number: 281 Registered: 01-2006 |
The thing that people don't realize about Obama, is that he was telling Detroit what it needed to hear. I gained more respect for him to come here, say his piece and not sugar coat things. We need to move away from the industrialized "help us" attitude that this region has. Trust me, I am democrat through and through, but the conservatives are right about this one, we need to innovate and lead on energy solutions and transportation. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2462 Registered: 06-2004 |
Kucinich - the universal health care alone would massively unburden the Big 3, and all other employers and he has the nerve to do what needs to be done without kowtowing to special interests - yes, he took Cleveland through default, but Cleveland's the better for it now. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 3786 Registered: 10-2003 |
Giuliani has reaped enormous profits off 9/11, (It's amazing that he has not tried to copyright "9/11" as his own brand). (As for the good folks who helped dig out the ruins of the WTC and are now sick, fuck em!) So perhaps he could find a way to make a buck off of Detroit's misfortunes! | ||
Bpjeff Member Username: Bpjeff Post Number: 83 Registered: 01-2006 |
Good thing Bill Ford criticized Obama. Now he practices what he preaches. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=20077060104 45 | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3286 Registered: 02-2005 |
Andylinn, Archer probably won't run, but I see Kwame Kilpatrick being a contender some day... I sound like a "cool" republican only because I'm saying things that a lot of sensible republican-voters actually believe (especially anything to do with a tax deduction or other incentive for development, which, interestingly, is how Kilpatrick has enabled much development in Detroit), but that few if any Repub. politicians actually act on. Largely, though, the same holds true for Democrats. The sad reality is that, in a suburb-dominated nation, where the majority of the voters are outside the city, it is outside the realm of a good, focused politician to start talking about rebuilding cities. Ever notice how it is just never a topic in debates? The "mainstream" doesn't care. I think getting Giuliani, a prolific mayor from the world's best city, in office means a major change of tone at the national level when it comes to the priority assigned to urban issues. I think Obama is interesting, and I happen to agree with how he handled his Detroit visit. I'm pulling for him, but I couldn't vote Dem. Furthermore, he could win a national election, if young people turn out. College campuses are completely in love with him. | ||
Nighternock Member Username: Nighternock Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2007 |
Like most, I don't really like her. You know, it's that something about her. Noe the less, I'm going with Clinton. I feel that at this point in our history we need someone like her and to be perfectly honest, her husband, to at least get this country back on track. We really need someone who can step in and set us back on the right course. In my humble opinion she is the one. If I had to go with one republican at this point it would be Ron Paul. People as someone who lived in New York during Guiliani's tenure as mayor, let me just say that he was not a great diplomat and a great diplomat is exactly what we need right now. Not another stubborn ball breaker like the Bush-Cheney folks. We need someone smooth. There are some smart, slick bad people out in this world and it is going to take a whole lot more than a "my balls are bigger than your balls" to get us out of the mess we are in. | ||
English Member Username: English Post Number: 550 Registered: 10-2003 |
Obama all the way! YAY! | ||
Paulmcall Member Username: Paulmcall Post Number: 254 Registered: 05-2004 |
I think who ever was a janitor should get the job. There's one hell of a mess to clean up. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 1214 Registered: 11-2006 |
Rudy, or Fred Thompson for thousands of complicated reasons.. | ||
Pussygirl313 Member Username: Pussygirl313 Post Number: 29 Registered: 08-2006 |
Ron Paul. google him and become informed. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 159 Registered: 02-2007 |
QUote: Kucinich - the universal health care alone would massively unburden the Big 3, and all other employers Lilpup, I agree 100%. The dude looks like he's from outer space, but I seen him in a debate awhile back and he was the most impressive one of the bunch. He carries a copy of our Constitution in his pocket. It's cheesy, but at least he's making it clear he's at least aware of it and it means something to him. Obama messed up with me and alot of Detroiters with his "It's your own fault" viewpoint when speaking in Detroit the last time. Hillary will go down in flames. No way is this country ready for a woman president. And especially not her. If folks are wanting out of Iraq, better not vote for her. She'll escalate that thing to the brink of Armageddon over there. She has got to be the phoniest human being that has ever intended to run. A lot of people think the Clintons were responsible for the economy through the late 90's. They were riding the wave of Reaganomics. When people are touting Clinton and the economy, I love to ask them one question, how did he do it? Hasn't been answered yet. ANd if his policies were so solid why was the economy slipping badly the last 6 months of his presidency? Detroit needs a president who is going to get us out of Iraq. Its a known that when large military deployments are underway the defense contractors boom and the automotive slumps. We also need someone who is going to stop this insane outsourcing of manufacturing jobs. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 1215 Registered: 11-2006 |
Kucinich's quote is true...who, pray tell, would the burden be shifted to?? taxpayers and patients in the form of higher taxes and declining health care quality. Government IS NEVER the answer to this problem. Kill the unions so that industry can pay reasonable benefits on par with the competition, and leave the health care system alone/out of governments' hands. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2463 Registered: 06-2004 |
the health insurance companies are a bunch of parasitic pigs - slit their throats and let them rot in the sun | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 1241 Registered: 11-2006 |
They get away with it by lurking in the shadow of Medicare/Medicaid AND THEY OPENLY ADMIT TO DOING IT!!! If not for the governmental coercive monopoly that is CMS, the free market would correct most, if not all, of the ills of our health care system. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1157 Registered: 09-2006 |
Richardson and then maybe Obama. Obama lost some of my faith with his fuck you attitude toward the Big 3 and detroit in general but I believe he endorses some form of universal health care system which could alleviate those pesky health care cost from the Big 3's budget, which means they'll have more money to destroy Toyota. | ||
Ccbatson Member Username: Ccbatson Post Number: 1250 Registered: 11-2006 |
Toyota does not have unions weighing them down (or inflated health care costs demanded by those same unions). The playing field will not yet be level. Get rid of the unions, then we are back in the fight. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2468 Registered: 06-2004 |
quote: just like it does fuel costs? Isn't it amazing that you can drive to a corner with multiple gas stations on it and all the prices are within two cents/gallon of each other? There's *nothing* in a free market to prevent collusion. | ||
Jrich2425 Member Username: Jrich2425 Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2007 |
I agree with Jdkeepssmiling on this one. I think Obama is the best choice not only nationally, but for the city of Detroit as well. Sstashmoo, what's wrong with him blaming Detroit for Detroit's problems? Yes, the federal and state government's economic struggles in the past few years have hurt the city, and yes, the out-sourcing of jobs to foreign markets have hurt the city, but we can't always fall back on these excuses as blame for the hardships this city has felt. It is the city of Detroit's responsibility to seek out new avenues of commerce to boost our city's economy and make it a more desireable place to work and live. Recently, we've seen signs of this in bringing Compuware and, eventually, Quicken downtown. The city cannot settle now however. With all the excitement around town from the riverfront, casinos, and new developments, we have the opportunity to start a major revolution as a city. Sorry for getting off topic here but I think this is what Mr. Obama was seeing as well. | ||
Nighternock Member Username: Nighternock Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: Toyota does not have unions weighing them down (or inflated health care costs demanded by those same unions). The playing field will not yet be level. Get rid of the unions, then we are back in the fight. Toyota is just outsourcing jobs to rural America, just as American corporations are outsourcing to where they can get cheap labor. We also go into debt buying their cars so they save on shipping as well. The US infrastructure is crumbling brothers and sisters. We need government oversight before it is too late. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 160 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: ""what's wrong with him blaming Detroit for Detroit's problems?" That was in reference to the automotive industry. That was sucker-punched by the oil industry. Then Obama shows up and says it's your own fault for not building all small cars when the oil price spiked over night. Some people are so ignorant and near-sighted. I'll never vote for him. Seriously, there is nothing really impressive about him anyway. Never wow'd me yet. It takes more than manner to be President. I think him and Hillary both are in for a huge disappointment. The media is making a circus out of our elections as they have every other sector of our society. | ||
Mcp001 Member Username: Mcp001 Post Number: 2862 Registered: 11-2003 |
The only candidate who'll be on the Big Three's side, and has the voting record to back that up is Ron Paul. (Message edited by MCP-001 on July 21, 2007) | ||
Pussygirl313 Member Username: Pussygirl313 Post Number: 30 Registered: 08-2006 |
Ron Paul for President | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 772 Registered: 10-2006 |
The big three are now more of a "medium sized" three. Clinton for President! (doesn't matter which one) | ||
Mcp001 Member Username: Mcp001 Post Number: 2863 Registered: 11-2003 |
What did Clinton do that would support the Big Three? | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 56 Registered: 08-2006 |
Detroit is the most Democratic city of its size. My favorite Democrat is Obama if for no other reason than his sonorous voice could reassure people in a crises. I think he would be adequate to play the role. However, Obama is receiving big money from Wall Street and will not rule out a first strike on Iran. Hillary and Giuliani seem to have the instincts of economic fascists. Big business would love either. Detroit and its citizens could use a dose of freedom and responsibility, sound money, less inflation, and fewer wars. I support Ron Paul. Stop Dreaming http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IWfIhFhelm8 Never Give UP! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =DsT1iRAZHP4&NR=1 NYC Revolutionized http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VPYEYzQHcDE Mountain View speech (4 parts)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =l-l-os1LYjo | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3303 Registered: 02-2005 |
What would Paul do for American cities? Why should Detroit have incentive to vote for him? I kind of like him. He's not afraid to speak him mind, and he's all about shrinking the federal government. That's great, I hate taxes that go to crap programs. But how do his experiences make him worthy, and again, how exactly could his ideas enable Detroit to improve? | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 57 Registered: 08-2006 |
Mackinaw, thats a good question. When Ron Paul is asked why his support is growing, he just answers, "freedom is popular". That might be unsettling to anyone looking for a sugar daddy to dole out new programs and benefits from the end of some government printing press. There is a Doctor in the House and he is prescribing the Constitution. A couple of weeks ago, Ron Paul was one of only 16 Representatives voting in opposition to a bill controlling vitamin sales championed by big pharmaceutical companies. I'm using this as an example. A Ron Paul presidency would allow more decisions to be made at the individual, municipal, and state level. No more NAFTA, GATT, or WTO taking jobs from Detroit. No more OPIC loaning our tax money for GM to set up engine factories in China. No more Secretary of Education, in Washington, telling Detroit and its suburbs how to run schools. No more deploying our kids to 130 countries overseas while flooding our places of employment with cheap foreign labor. Ron Paul's issues page - http://www.ronpaul2008.com/iss ues/ Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record: He has never voted to raise taxes. He has never voted for an unbalanced budget. He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership. He has never voted to raise congressional pay. He has never taken a government-paid junket. He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch. He voted against the Patriot Act. He voted against regulating the Internet. He voted against the Iraq war. He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program. He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year. | ||
Hpgrmln Member Username: Hpgrmln Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2007 |
Anyone but Obama. Obama seems to have his own agendas and my impression is anything outside of them is foreign to him.If it isn't about health care or ending the war,I don't think he's prepared. The speech he gave after the Virginia Tech massacre was disgraceful.He used it as a way to simply start off a tangent about "invisible terrorism" like single mothers being poorly paid and all sorts of other non-terrorst propaganda he was more interested in.This, coupled with his strong anti-war stance, makes him look like a wimp whos too afraid to stand up and protect people.Not comforting for anyplace with a high crime rate. The speech on how angry black Americans are should have disqualified him.The way he said it made it sound like he was inciting a riot. If ill-intentioned people used it as an excuse to start civil disorder, it wouldn't be pretty.This city has been hurt enough by that. I don't trust Edwards. I question whether he believes 75% of what he says. He's just a sounbyte machine saying whatever he thinks his constituints want to hear. I love how democrats say they are the party of the working class, then they select a wealthy Eastcoaster like Kerry, Lawyers like hilary,or Edwards with his mansion or $400 haircut. Democratic candidates these days seem more white-collar and upper-crust. Voters in Urban areas and factory towns may want to look beyond stereotypes and perceptions of party lines.the democratic candidates are nowhere close to the kind of people they claim to represent. Just some food for thought. | ||
Oladub Member Username: Oladub Post Number: 58 Registered: 08-2006 |
Last week, the Senate voted to allow airline passengers who report suspicious behavior to be sued, President Bush issued an extra-constitutional executive order authorizing freezing the property of anyone who so much as criticizes Blackwater or Haliburton, and the mayor of Warren has been complaining about having an additional 16,000 Iraqi refugees dumped into Warren and Stirling Heights. Senator Clinton, to her credit, voted to protect airline passengers who report suspicious behavior. Senator Obama ducked this important vote while Michigan's senators voted to sue passengers who report suspicious behavior. President Bush's 7/17 imperial decree is more a national than a local issue but where is the outrage in the local press when the President overrides the 1st amendment guarantee of free speech? Or from any of the presidential candidates except Ron Paul and Hilary Clinton? Executive Order: Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq - http://www.whitehouse.gov/news /releases/2007/07/20070717-3.h tml?1 The war, which was supported by all the presidential candidates except Senator Gravel and Representatives Kucinich and Ron Paul, must be winding down. Iraqi employees of the US are fleeing the country to join 2.2 million other refugees including some re-settlement in ranch style three bedroom homes in Warren . The US can't find enough replacements. It looks like pretty soon we will have some more footage of helicopters removing folks from an embassy roof. Yet, the leading candidates keep voting to fund this war. I would like supporters of the MSM anointed candidates McCain, Edwards, Giuliani, Clinton, Obama, and Romney (MEGCOR as in MEGa-CORporate) to defend your candidates records even if its just to defend their actions or in-actions of the last week...if you can. | ||
Ray Member Username: Ray Post Number: 953 Registered: 06-2004 |
Oh my God, how can you even ask this question. The answer is MIT ROMNEY. He grew up in Oakland County. His dad ran AMC. He LOVES Detroit, Michigan and the car industry. Mit Romney is a gift from God for the State of Michigan if he wins. Of course, the benighted liberals of Southeast Michigan won't support him. They' vote Democrat., How much punishment can they take? They castigated George Bush for being adverse to the needs of the car industry and cheered the victory of the Democrats, our alleged saviors. The favor was promplty returned by the Dems rasing CAFE to 36 mpg or whatever. I like the way the CEO of Chysler desribed it "They [the liberal Congressional leadership] HATE us." Its personal. After living in CA, I could have told you the coastal liberal elites hate the midwest, Detroit especially, and for all their bull shit rhetoric about working families and social justice, they don't give a SHIT about southeast michigan or the auto industry and may nearly KO it for good with this CAFE thing. But, hey, I'm SURE after gutting our economy the Dems will toss us some bone. God forbid we elect a guy who grew up here and honestly loves the state. | ||
Gmich99 Member Username: Gmich99 Post Number: 209 Registered: 11-2005 |
God forbid Romney should have stayed in Michigan. | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 729 Registered: 02-2007 |
Rudy -- as an ex-new yorker I just have a rough time understanding how anyone can support the guy. I suspect it's his man-in-the-street after 9/11 image, forgetting that he put the emergency response center in the most likely target, that he had the bodies of first responders thrown into dumpsters, etc. | ||
Kslice Member Username: Kslice Post Number: 115 Registered: 04-2007 |
Anyone who will give us universal healthcare is aight wit me. Manufacturing jobs might start moving INTO the US if that happened. I dont get how you Bushies can tell everyone not to elect Hillary when you yourself voted in the sone of an inept, one term, loser president??? Just dont get it. | ||
A2planet Member Username: A2planet Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2007 |
It's very simple to determine who would be the best President for Detroit. First, throw out all the bloodthirsty maniacs screaming for war with Iran and making excuses for continuing the illegal occupation of Iraq. BAM! We're down to Ron Paul, Mike Gravel, and Dennis Kucinich. Kucinich gets cut for being pro-draft and anti-2nd Amendment. Gravel's a great guy but his entire platform is ending the war. Only one guy has any anti-war conscience AND economic sense. www.michigan4ronpaul.com | ||
Norwalk Member Username: Norwalk Post Number: 110 Registered: 11-2006 |
RON PAUL HANDS DOWN! |
