Apbest Member Username: Apbest
Post Number: 596 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 4:44 pm: | |
http://www.walkscore.com/ The website calculates how walkable your hood is. The only problem I have is that this doesnt take into account how conducive the streetscape is to walking or things like transportation and street-fronted development, street lighting, street trees, bike-friendliness or other things that increase quality of life and walkability Downtown (1225 Woodward): 88 Midtown - North Cass Corridor (55 West Canfield): 95 Midtown - Brush Park (John R and Edmund): 74 New Center - 3011 W Grand Blvd (Fisher Building): 88 Indian Village - Seminole and Jefferson: 46 SUBURBS Downtown Birmingham (Old Woodward and Maple): 92 Downtown Ferndale (9 Mile & Woodward): 75 Downtown Royal Oak (Main and 4th): 89 West Bloomfield: Orchard Lake and Lone Pine: 62 |
Apbest Member Username: Apbest
Post Number: 597 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 4:49 pm: | |
It should also be noted that I played around with most of the north midtown cross streets with Cass Ave an d it looks like the most walkable intersection in that hood is Cass and Canfield |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 3541 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 4:55 pm: | |
Cass Corridor, eh? Is easy walking distance to the party er... deposit redemption stores a factor? Why would anybody even write some bogus program like this? The weighting of factors and the algorithm are pretty subjective, I'd bet. It's a joke, right? |
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox
Post Number: 244 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:00 pm: | |
For the purposes of this score, it seems to make no difference whether you're walking on a sidewalk along a residential street or on the shoulder of a 55 mph state highway. Which is probably how Orchard Lake and Lone Pine scored higher than Indian Village. |
1953 Member Username: 1953
Post Number: 1435 Registered: 12-2004
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:01 pm: | |
Hamtramck is uber-walkable, but my house only received a 75. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 2916 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:04 pm: | |
It seems like it just calculates the score based on how much "stuff" is within a certain radius. |
Gumby Member Username: Gumby
Post Number: 1593 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:06 pm: | |
not very accurate. my neighborhood only ranked a 32. A lot of the stuff nearby me didn't even show up. |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1193 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:35 pm: | |
I have heard of this, and it usually counts 7-11s and liquor stores as "grocery stores" and things like that. My neighborhood in Chicago got an 86, and it is exponentially more "walkable" than the Corridor. State and Division in Chicago scored a 97. Compare that to Cass and Canfield. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 3544 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:40 pm: | |
State and Division probably had an abundance of party stores, check cashers, and bike racks. Maybe even a couple of wig stores and pawn shops. And a bus stop on each corner. |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 1334 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:08 pm: | |
Downtown Detroit seems to beat downtown Charlotte, NC (1 West Trade St, 28202)! |
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner
Post Number: 1341 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:45 pm: | |
Lame! It says my neighborhood gets a 68, but it also says that Phoenix Theatres is located at Michigan Ave in Dearborn! |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 2778 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:53 pm: | |
quote:It seems like it just calculates the score based on how much "stuff" is within a certain radius. Yeah. That seems to be what it's doing. It would be fun to try to find a place with the lowest score. |
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313
Post Number: 416 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:54 pm: | |
Wow, want to see a perfect 100??? 60 Columbus Circle New York, NY 10018 Time Warner Building. BTW, my condo in Detroit was more walkable than the apartment I'm renting in Brooklyn. 86/84 <313> |
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn
Post Number: 477 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:55 pm: | |
my apartment is an 80, campus martius park is an 84 (300 woodward.) interesting... I can WALK to a good grocery store from my apartment... (UNIVERSITY) but from campus martius, you'd at least need a bike to get to harbor town or something... |
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313
Post Number: 417 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 7:56 pm: | |
And oh if you want to see a perfect "0" 102 Christina Dr. Columbia, TN 38401 Old parents house! Please no junk mail! <313> |
Ecksie Member Username: Ecksie
Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:00 pm: | |
http://www.walkscore.com/get-s core.shtml?street=&loc=kyle%2C +SD&go=Go |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 2779 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 8:17 pm: | |
There's an "Old NO Flesh Road" on that map. I wonder what the story is behind that name?! |
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000
Post Number: 259 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 9:27 pm: | |
My parent's house on the outskirts of Rochester scored a 22. My sister's house in northern Rochester Hills scored a 5. Seems fair. My Downtown Royal Oak office snagged a 92. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1242 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 9:36 pm: | |
My address in NYC scored a 97. My parents address in Detroit scored a 35. |
Detourdetroit Member Username: Detourdetroit
Post Number: 329 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:12 pm: | |
It's funny, I live 200 feet from the Detroit epicenter, Canfield and Cass. What's so sad is that there is no urban fabric on any of those corners. For Detroit, I would agree that this neighborhood is pretty walkable, but it's the quality of the environment that has so far to go... Interesting! Thanks for sharing |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 1294 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:18 pm: | |
My house scored a 51, yet if I go up half a block it scores an 82. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 1443 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:30 pm: | |
I lived by Orchard Lake and Lone Pine at one time. There is nothing walkable about it. Unless you like walking from the gas station to the strip mall. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1251 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 8:39 pm: | |
"Unless you like walking from the gas station to the strip mall." Well, using the apparent algorithm from this app would make a strip mall very walkable... |
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn
Post Number: 480 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:02 pm: | |
yeah, this site seems to get some things right, but is mainly BS. Walkability includes more than simply proximity to stores... one of my jobs, book beat book store (one of Metro Detroit's last independent book stores) scores a 60/100... may sound low, but it is actually WAY too high... http://www.walkscore.com/get-s core.shtml?street=26010+greenf ield+Rd%2C+oak+park%2C+michiga n&go=Go that is the LEAST walkable area i've ever seen... walking accross greenfield road during rush hour is not only dangerous, it can take literally 15 minutes... and the parking lot between greenfield road and most of the stores is about the size of a football field... there is no greenery... it sucks! how is this walkable at all? yet it still gets a 60%... BS... |
Ray Member Username: Ray
Post Number: 964 Registered: 06-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 6:45 pm: | |
Palo Alto scored a perfect 100. I love Palo Alto. I work there 2 weeks a month and wish that people from Detroit could spend time there to understand what is possible. I can't understand how they can have walkable communities in Silicon Valley but not in Detroit |
Hudkina Member Username: Hudkina
Post Number: 33 Registered: 12-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 8:21 pm: | |
My house in Downtown Trenton got a score of 63/100. That's higher than it really is. I do walk to the dime store, the corner store, a diner, and several nearby parks, but I need a car for just about everything else. Interestingly, they listed downtown Wyandotte as getting a lower score of 60/100. I'm sorry but if I lived in Downtown Wyandotte, I could easily go about without a car, at least more so than where I live in Trenton. I haven't been to every downtown in the Tri-County area, but I would say that Wyandotte easily has one of the greatest mixtures of "every-day" shopping as well as entertainment destinations in a true walkable community. They should base it on only the nearest of each type of store, and only count those within a mile. Most people don't want to walk more than a mile, so there's no point in listing the grocery store if it is 3.5 miles away. (Message edited by hudkina on August 01, 2007) |
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5
Post Number: 550 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 8:32 pm: | |
My place scored a big 0! 1761 East Dawson (Actually the address for a neighboring home.) |
Tomoh Member Username: Tomoh
Post Number: 309 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2007 - 11:55 pm: | |
Ray, I see you've never been to Ann Arbor. I think many others in Detroit, however, have. |
Detroit313 Member Username: Detroit313
Post Number: 425 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 12:04 am: | |
As the great Shaquille Oneal once said...... I think this course is culturally bias! "Blue Chips" <313> |
French777 Member Username: French777
Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 9:19 am: | |
Downtown Rochester got an 85 but my house in Rochester hills got a 48 |
Miss_cleo Member Username: Miss_cleo
Post Number: 738 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 1:52 pm: | |
My address could not be found! |
Steelworker Member Username: Steelworker
Post Number: 953 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 3:08 pm: | |
because it sucks |
Patrick Member Username: Patrick
Post Number: 4776 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 3:33 pm: | |
Miss Cleo, I don't think cardboard boxes are counted. |
Tayshaun22 Member Username: Tayshaun22
Post Number: 371 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 4:53 pm: | |
85 for my house in Allen Park. Suburbs > Detroit |
Miss_cleo Member Username: Miss_cleo
Post Number: 739 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 6:11 pm: | |
but I sure love my cardboard box on 35 acres |
Crawford Member Username: Crawford
Post Number: 104 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:53 pm: | |
Cleo, double-wide trailers haven't yet been added to the system, though I hear they're coming soon. You'll undoutedly get bonus points for 35 acres of rusting cars and Michigan Militia training grounds. |
Saintme Member Username: Saintme
Post Number: 52 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:15 pm: | |
Hudkina - I 2nd your sentiments on downtown Wyandotte. My boyfriend's home in New Boston scored a 2. Beautiful area but there is NOTHING out there. |
Miss_cleo Member Username: Miss_cleo
Post Number: 788 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:49 pm: | |
WTF is your problem, I dont live in a trailer or have rusting cars on my property....but if you want to paint with such a broad brush, Detroit sucks, is ugly as sin, full of crime and stupid lazy people. |
Detroitbill Member Username: Detroitbill
Post Number: 285 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:16 pm: | |
Now Cleo be nice, you are being criticized for no good reason I agree , Northern Michigan is great but where I am at in Detroit is not ugly - its beautiful, crime is low and the people are far from stupid and lazy,, I dont think many of them got their masters and doctorates being stupid and lazy, nor would the many hardworking people in the area who do not have these degrees appreciate the slander. To blanket everyone in a city like that is as unfair as you being criticized. Two wrongs do not make a right. |
Miss_cleo Member Username: Miss_cleo
Post Number: 791 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:18 pm: | |
yes, I know, I am sorry. But damn, stop attacking me for no reason! I said nothing that deserved the snide comments I received. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9813 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:28 pm: | |
Cleo - I would suggest trying addresses (or just your street) around your house. The stupid thing abotu this 'calculator' is that all things in a group are equal. TomBoy groceries is the same as a large grocer or upscale grocer. It also assumes an area of strip malls is as walkable as a true downtown. It's a neat tool but to say 'walkability near my home is in the 80s is silly when I randomly checked other areas in more walkable cities that came in lower. Add in that the DB of business looks pretty outdated. Neat tool but there is no reality in it. |