  Ericdetfan Member Username: Ericdetfan Post Number: 123 Registered: 02-2007 |
Dearborn, MI http://img.photobucket.com/alb ums/v339/ericexp/Picture005-3. jpg and right across the street: http://img.photobucket.com/alb ums/v339/ericexp/Picture006-2. jpg I realize that Kroger bought the old FJ (1st photo), but why make it a Kroger, too? I mean....whats the difference? lol I talked to a lady in the parking lot of the Kroger in the 2nd photo and asked her what she thought. She told me that this one was closer to her house, but agreed with me that this is ludacris. I guess its better than having vacant buildings, though. | ||
Tetsua Member Username: Tetsua Post Number: 1295 Registered: 01-2004 |
Damn they can get them right across the street from one another, yet we're not worthy of one? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3575 Registered: 10-2004 |
Buying both FJs there is a preemptive strike for not having a competitor's store across the street. Farmer Jack already had two stores there--right across the street from each other. AFAIK, Kroger's now owns three stores there. It'll probably rent out the third to something other than another grocery. It's difficult to make left turns there at that part of Dearborn. So, having them both is a smart idea. (Message edited by Livernoisyard on August 01, 2007) | ||
Russix Member Username: Russix Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2006 |
This remind me of lewis black's "starbucks, the end of the universe" http://videos.canoe.ca/?fr_sto ry=e1cade7d8babcc6122176347580 c1e3b9b49b522&rf=sitemap | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 1454 Registered: 10-2003 |
Isn't that a lot of unnecessary overhead? I mean they have to staff those places, heat and cool them, run the freezers and coolers... It reminds me of how every now and then you'll see an intersection with two Mobil gas stations on facing corners. | ||
Karl Member Username: Karl Post Number: 9052 Registered: 09-2005 |
This doesn't look good. Kroger can justify having 2 in Dearborn facing each other no less, and NONE in Detroit? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3576 Registered: 10-2004 |
Real-estate locating specialists believe otherwise. It's better having a smaller profit from each of the two stores across the street from each other than having a competitor enter and sap it away from the otherwise one store. This usually happens where left turns are not allowed or turning left across traffic during rush hours causes the drivers to go elsewhere. Happens all the time... | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 1455 Registered: 10-2003 |
I wonder, in the case of the gas stations, if they are the same owner, or different franchisees. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3577 Registered: 10-2004 |
This occurs in Madison WI on Mineral Point Road, west of West Towne Mall. The Mobil? convenience stores do great business for over thirty years while being across the street from each other less than a block apart. There are other instances of this in busy locations | ||
Elsuperbob Member Username: Elsuperbob Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2007 |
Both seem to be doing well as of now. I know the original one on the south side is still very busy and many of the patrons of the Farmer Jack continue to go to that one on the north side. There was rumor that one would become a specialized Kroger, a higher end one or something like that. But I don't know how true that is. It does look silly but is smart as a marketing move to keep out competition from what is probably a profitable location. | ||
Billk Member Username: Billk Post Number: 58 Registered: 09-2005 |
Michigan Ave. is kind of congested in this area and it's convenient to have one store on each side of the street. Does anyone remember Arbor Drugs? They had a store on both sides of the road in this same location. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5005 Registered: 08-2004 |
On the far east side... from what I've heard from Kroger employees (and the signs on former Farmer Jack Stores), there will be a Kroger at Mack & Moross, another 1/2 mile up Mack Ave. between Moross & Vernier, another Kroger near (Greater) Mack & 9 Mile, another Kroger at Jefferson & Marter Rd., and an additional Kroger at 8 Mile & Harper. All of these Kroger stores will be within about a 2 1/2 mile radius of each other, and none will be closed. | ||
Treble484 Member Username: Treble484 Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2006 |
Count again, Dearborn now has four Krogers, two in west-end (across the street from each other) and two in east-end about a mile apart, one on Schaefer north of Michigan and one at Michigan and Greenfield. All within about four miles the along Michigan Ave. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3581 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote:And... We all probably know that. But Kroger owns three buildings in west Dearborn out by Outer Drive--two occupied Kroger's and one kept in reserve for something else--probably keeping it out of the hands of any competitor. | ||
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 1037 Registered: 12-2005 |
quote: For a number of years, the Mobil gas stations on the northwest and southwest corners of Van Dyke and Metropolitan Parkway were both owned by the same person. | ||
Ericdetfan Member Username: Ericdetfan Post Number: 124 Registered: 02-2007 |
What I don't get is why they didn't take the old FJ in Dearborn Heights on Warren Ave in Warrendale. That area has NO real grocery stores now..Its not technically in Detroit and it would surely get a decient amount of Business. | ||
Ericdetfan Member Username: Ericdetfan Post Number: 125 Registered: 02-2007 |
where is the 3rd kroger owned building in west dearborn? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3587 Registered: 10-2004 |
If it still remains, it should be on the south side of Michigan across from the other KJ/Kroger's. BOTOH, FJ may have closed it after Kroger's moved into the area by Outer Drive after the department store was demoed. I rarely shop that area anymore. FJ had two of theirs right across Michigan from each other. | ||
Ericdetfan Member Username: Ericdetfan Post Number: 127 Registered: 02-2007 |
ohhhhh I know what building you mean now! Its being occupied by a TJ-Maxx like place called Marshalls. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3588 Registered: 10-2004 |
There used to be two bulk foods places a couple blocks apart there during the late 1990s. I know one is gone, and the other one may have closed also. Does anybody know if the one in the strip mall near Kroger's is still there? | ||
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher Post Number: 1114 Registered: 06-2006 |
LY: Yes, the one in the strip mall there is still open but the one a few blocks down has been demo'd and they are building lofts on that site. | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 1344 Registered: 04-2006 |
It could be that Kroger wants to expand their market share and keep competition out of the area. With Meijers just opened on the garbage dump and Super Wal Mart opening in Fairlane they want to protect their territory. | ||
Ericdetfan Member Username: Ericdetfan Post Number: 128 Registered: 02-2007 |
"Super Wal Mart opening in Fairlane" Fairlane North that is (Where the Super K-Mart used to be)...Not Fairlane Town Center lol. If they did that the mall mind as well close. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 2011 Registered: 02-2007 |
^^^lol Eric. Yeah, If one Kroger doens't have what I need, I run down or across the street to get it. Talk about a shopping ease (LMAO). | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6310 Registered: 02-2004 |
A tale of 2 Krogers. One of Michigan Ave. and Outer Drive and the other just across the street on Michigan Ave and Outer Drive. That's too close! | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 2012 Registered: 02-2007 |
^^^That's worse than the 2 McDonalds at 11 Mile and Gratiot. | ||
Fareastsider Member Username: Fareastsider Post Number: 507 Registered: 08-2006 |
There used to be two Farmer Jacks on the corner of Hall Rd and Hayes. | ||
Christos Member Username: Christos Post Number: 131 Registered: 12-2006 |
The reason for this is because both those store make TONS AND TONS of money- whereas the Kroger on the 7mi and Gratiot in the City of Detroit lost more money than any Kroger store in the entire chain. Kroger can't operate under their regular banner in the city of Detroit, but they can in Dearborn. Anyways, that intersection is so profitable, that not only are the stores making money hand over fist (even both as Krogers), but Kroger doesn't want to give up that part of the market to a competitor. Furthermore one of the two Kroger's will become a "Fresh Fare" - Kroger's high end banner. | ||
_sj_ Member Username: _sj_ Post Number: 1991 Registered: 12-2003 |
quote: Some of it has to do with location, others amenities, for example the store at Jefferson and Marter can not have a liquor license nor handles prescriptions, hence the 9 and Mack store. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 1741 Registered: 06-2006 |
just a guess... one of those pictures indicated that there was a pharmacy in one of them...if the one they bought was licensed to run a pharmacy (which are cash cows and their lease isn't yet up on the other building, that could justify two simultaneous locations across the street from one another | ||
Trainman Member Username: Trainman Post Number: 477 Registered: 04-2006 |
Most of the FJ's that were bought were near the large new freeways in new cities far from the inner city areas where jobs are needed most. Transit advocates claim rail service is the answer, so Detroit workers can travel rapidly to the the far out suburbs about 30 to 40 miles away and then use feeder bus routes to connect to the areas with jobs. The expanded freeways in downtown Detroit will take up more land but County wide taxes can be used to make up for the loss of the city property tax base. These new taxes and mechanisms can then expand public rail and bus service for the low income and those unable to drive. A small half percent sales tax with a state constitution change would raise over $300 Million per year and will pay for SEMCOG's Framework for Action 2030 BRT plan as documented in the costs and projected rider ship by regional transportation planners. | ||
Detroitteacher Member Username: Detroitteacher Post Number: 1119 Registered: 06-2006 |
I was just in the old FJ/new Kroger today at that corner. Not a soul was in there. The original Kroger was packed. Don't think both will survive on that corner... | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 791 Registered: 10-2006 |
Kroger routinely buys stores for "competitive" reasons. Both stores were profitable before the takeover. It remains to be seen what Ohio has planned for both stores. | ||
Trainman Member Username: Trainman Post Number: 482 Registered: 04-2006 |
Michigan Ave has two transit authorities along this road and they both do not cooperate or share this road wasting millions of dollars. We could save enough to bring back the Middlebelt 285 by just posting time tables alone on Michigan and sharing this route. Many times SMART and DDOT run back to back empty buses and waste millions while a thousand bus riders in Livonia lost bus service. I can say smart 500 times and then another 500 times. | ||
Treble484 Member Username: Treble484 Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2006 |
Kroger on South side of Michigan took over the pharm. at FJ. and moved entire stock and records to its location. Rumor is it will become the upscale market to compete with Westborn Market about a mile east at Oakwood. Kroger may still own old store at other end of mall now used as a Marshall Department store. | ||
Rhymeswithrawk Member Username: Rhymeswithrawk Post Number: 836 Registered: 11-2005 |
Damn they can get them right across the street from one another, yet we're not worthy of one? This doesn't look good. Kroger can justify having 2 in Dearborn facing each other no less, and NONE in Detroit? My thoughts exactly, boys. And considering they're HQ'ed in Cincinnati, a city that isn't THAT much better than Detroit ... | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6316 Registered: 02-2004 |
Trainman, You are so addictive to have those SMART busses back in Nazi-Livonia. It's not going to happen in 7,000 years so get over it. You might as well declare a HOLY WAR against Nazi-Livonia city council and its residents. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 798 Registered: 10-2006 |
Rhymes, although I understand your sentiment, businesses open stores for BUSINESS reasons, not for public appearances. The two stores Kroger runs that "borders" Detroit (Redford & Dearborn) are very, very difficult to run. They are not going to pour good money after bad just to make people feel better. By the way, since Cincinnati is their headquarters, obviously they will have stores in that city regardless of the quality of the city. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 2081 Registered: 02-2007 |
Just like Wal-Mart has everything in Bentonville, AK, and Meijer has Meijers in Grand Rapids. We couldn't say the same for K-Mart though, could we...? | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 801 Registered: 10-2006 |
LOL | ||
Jackie5275 Member Username: Jackie5275 Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2007 |
I've been in the Kroger on the north side of Mich Ave, which was the old Farmer Jack. Really, not much has changed. It's like Farmer Jack in Kroger clothing. The lay out is the same, and the items are pretty much in the same places. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 2132 Registered: 02-2007 |
^^^Uh, yeah. grocery stores usually don't make DRASTIC makeovers. As long as their name is on the building and they have food selling inside of it, that's all that matters to Kroger or any other store for that. | ||
Quinn Member Username: Quinn Post Number: 1426 Registered: 01-2005 |
So lame...but they wouldn't buy the FJ on Jefferson that was busy year round and had NO close, "Like" competitions (only a handful of mom and pops). SOOOO lame. | ||
Urbanize Member Username: Urbanize Post Number: 2136 Registered: 02-2007 |
^^^The only problem was, they knew that the owners at that location weren't earning a profit. As stated earlier, money is all that matters in any type of business (especially Kroger). |
