  Ramcharger Member Username: Ramcharger Post Number: 399 Registered: 05-2006 |
Area leaders see young talent moving away and local galleries closing As the “one-state recession” continues its’ devastating grip on Michigan’s economy, the drain of brainpower and talent accelerates. It’s hard to imagine us ever being able to recover from these losses. | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 921 Registered: 04-2007 |
I don't get it. THe one thing the city does have is inexpensive real estate, The city should be working to keep these people in Detroit and fostering their creativity. A vibrant art scene is a huge draw for people who wnat an urban life style. I just don't get it! | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3651 Registered: 10-2004 |
I don't get it. How and why should the city be working to keep these people in Detroit and fostering their creativity. I just don't get it! [Why cannot those types be creative and foster their own economy without socialism rearing its ugly head? Why do I somehow sense that the taxpayers are going to be hit again by special interests?] | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 926 Registered: 04-2007 |
Good Business sense LY, that's why. Municipalities have realized that a strong artist community draws gentrification and redevelopment into city neighborhoods. Several cities, including Memphis and Pittsburgh, have very successful programs that have brought these folks into targeted neighborhoods in their cities. The results have been excellent. So, open your eyes and your mind dude. Like, Learn to look beyond the surface of things and try to understand that sometimes government action can that seems to aid a small group can in fact aid the entire population, man. like wow. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 1552 Registered: 10-2003 |
Bad economy = people not spending money on the arts. The Michigan government has already cut art and music programs throughout the state. http://www.artservemichigan.or g/press/index.asp?page=86FEBD8 EC7404982912263AB5DCFFA7F§ ion=0F8EFED0004A44418415B5EE50 7C73F5 And individuals are less likely to purchase artwork if they are in a tighter money situation. Many artists are finding they must leave Michigan to make a living if they want to pursue their craft full time. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3652 Registered: 10-2004 |
By extending that stupid policy of subsidizing artists, Detroit should expand the concept and subsidize everybody's line of work--i.e., socialism. Yeah! That's what we really need. At least from artists' points of view... | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 3653 Registered: 10-2004 |
But wait! I can be an artist... I too can piss in a jar with a crucifix inside. So, pay me for doing that! I might even be able to replicate that time and time again. And people will flock into Detroit as a result. Or so the theory goes... | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 1559 Registered: 10-2003 |
LY, that's fine, but if the state can't put money towards art and music programs, I want all state funding for sports programs cut immediately. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1764 Registered: 05-2005 |
Livernoisyard, you so silly! | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 928 Registered: 04-2007 |
Philistine!  Yes, LY. All artists piss on crucifixes in jars. I think Lowell has some photos of his cross & piss displays on his site, doesn't he. And I don't give a rat's ass even if they do all piss on crosses, as long as it brings much needed money and development to Detroit. Oh, wait, I forgot you don't want Detroit to improve, just like you want Milwaukee stuck in its depressing days of the late seventies early eighties. When these cities recover you no longer have anyone to point fingers at and say, "you ruined my life! You ruined my city!" I guess for some people living in the past is the best that they can do. | ||
Wally Member Username: Wally Post Number: 293 Registered: 12-2003 |
quote: I second that! | ||
Unclefrank Member Username: Unclefrank Post Number: 75 Registered: 03-2006 |
Was that work of "art" named "piss christ." | ||
Michigan Member Username: Michigan Post Number: 931 Registered: 04-2007 |
Yes uncle frank it was. Has anyone seen the historic film "Birth Of A Nation"? Is anyone as perturbed by the glamourization and glorification and vindication of lynchings and murders as some people are about a crucifix in a jar of urine? Or does outrage against art only extend to the portrayal of religion, and not how it portrays and affects real people? | ||
6nois Member Username: 6nois Post Number: 402 Registered: 11-2006 |
Detroit, has one advantage over the cities that artists are leaving to. Costs, it is much more affordable to live in the city of Detroit. With the large amount of care that these artists have for the city there is a possibility that once they build names for themselves they could return to the city. Yet for this to work the city has to court artists. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 221 Registered: 02-2007 |
I just find it ironic how in a country comprised of 80% christian population, that some zero can desecrate our religious symbols and its signed off on because this loser claims it's art. It's not art, it's trash. And this hateful ingrate is no artist. If there was a star-of-David in there or the Kurran the media would be calling for his head. Such hypocrisy. | ||
Atperry Member Username: Atperry Post Number: 265 Registered: 12-2004 |
I think this is going to be part of the "One D" effort to create a creative corridor along Woodward. Hopefully that will help revitalize the local artist community. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/O PINION01/706270318/1008 And I would not classify the people behind this effort as socialists | ||
Mdoyle Member Username: Mdoyle Post Number: 166 Registered: 10-2006 |
Artless in charge of the arts. nothing new. Sstashmoo pick up an book and read about the work before you go spouting ignorance. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 1565 Registered: 10-2003 |
"I just find it ironic how in a country comprised of 80% christian population, that some zero can desecrate our religious symbols and its signed off on because this loser claims it's art." Thats because we also live in a country that values free speech over religious symbology. And I'd prefer to keep it that way, thanks. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 5659 Registered: 11-2004 |
Regardless whether you like that one piece (and it's only one piece of art in the sea of LOTS of art out there), it spurs thought, debate, and makes people talk. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it or adore it... that's the beauty of having independent tastes and thoughts as to what sort of art you like. As an artist, you don't have to like every piece that I do but at least respect the effort and possibly differing tastes. No artist wants to force you to change your viewpoint but if you come around to it on your own, then that's fine too. What's art to one person might not be for another. I can easily live with that. And it is truly sad to hear of so many talented people leaving the City to sell their art. I'd like to think that somehow they can still keep Detroit as their base, use the influences here and send their work abroad. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 265 Registered: 11-2003 |
I've seen quite a few artist friends leave the region and when they did, their careers skyrocketed. When it comes to young people and ideas, this region is very hesitant toward it. It's very conservative as far as investment and business and and very risk averse. In venture capital and business meetings, I can't tell you how many people outside of the region bag on this region and tell me or compatriots to leave, and that Detroit (as a region) will never get it. And new ideas is art - it is creativity. They look at the city-suburbs divide and don't understand why we've not embraced our city centres and raised the money as a region to help them. As to labour, it's not that investors are against unions per se - it's that it's a symbol that our region doesn't get it, that it's now about knowledge, and people will change jobs many times in their career. Those jobs are gone and we're not getting them back. We need a sea change, which I don't see the chamber, the government, or any other organization doing because they're beholden to the old way of doing things. I think the City of Detroit, if it is smart (which I think it is), could embrace this and totally change the game. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 222 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "Sstashmoo pick up an book and read about the work before you go spouting ignorance." I wouldn't waste the time. In the words of Bob Dylan "The myth of the starving artist is a myth, Matisse' was a banker" The point is, true artists are not starving. Some dude down on Woodward with pink hair, rubbin his ass on a paper plate or pissin in a jar is not Art. Sorry to inform you. And when it involves symbolism of Christianity in a negative or even caustic light, it serves only to offend. And quite frankly this jar of piss has received way more speak than it deserves. Throw it out like the rest of the civilized world. I once knew a man in a small town who had garbage piled around his house and was in a fight with the city, claiming it was art. It was a violation of his freedom of expression to have to remove it. The city created its own work, I think they called it "Bulldozer at dawn", he lost. The point is you have to draw the line somewhere on infringement of other's values, quality of life and degradation of society at large. Hence the new law on burning OUR flag. For years it was desecrated by some claiming it was their right to do so. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 1571 Registered: 10-2003 |
My values are offended, and I believe society degraded each time the Klan has a rally. But guess what, it is their right to do so, as was the artist's right to make his work. I am guesing you didn't even see it personally, so I'm not sure how offended you can be other than just by the idea of it. Or perhaps the media sensationalized it and it was on the news. In any case, I still value freedom of speech over whether or not you are personally offended by something. As for your neighbor with the garbage, well, there are codes in a city that must be followed. He was breaking local laws. The artist was not. Completely irrelevant to the conversation. | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 223 Registered: 02-2007 |
Quote: "As for your neighbor" Not my neighbor but he did claim to be an artist. ""with the garbage, well, there are codes in a city that must be followed. He was breaking local laws." And yes he was. But he claimed he was not violating any because he had the right to freedom of speech and expression. The city fearing a high profile law suit, waivered (this guy was educated and well heeled). It was contested in the courts for a few years before the city finally got some ball-bearings and cleaned it up and sent him the bill. | ||
Southen Member Username: Southen Post Number: 256 Registered: 08-2006 |
This is painting with a broad brush but im kind of sick of Christians, you seem to fit the bill here Sstashmoo, telling the rest of the country what they can and cant do. Youre probably right Sstashmoo, the art was probably meant to offend in some way shape or form as well as spur debate. Get over it. So a guy put the cross in urine, not my cup of tea, but is that any worse then Christians telling gays that they absolutely cannot marry or women that they absolutely cannot have an abortion. Youve got no problem pressing your views on others but the second someone questions your beliefs the slightest it becomes an outrage and an attack. Its absolutely hypocritical. Like I said this kind of thing isnt really my taste in terms of art but I do absolutely love the fact that it gets people like you all upset. | ||
Mauser765 Member Username: Mauser765 Post Number: 1770 Registered: 01-2004 |
"Why cannot those types be creative and foster their own economy without socialism rearing its ugly head?" They are dumbass - theyre leaving. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5054 Registered: 08-2004 |
You folks who still can't get over that cricifix in the jar thing are about as bad as all the intolerant Muslims over a Danish cartoon.... pretty pathetic. That was years ago, and yet you still like to make a meal out of a morsel. Time to up your blood pressure meds again.... | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 1224 Registered: 02-2006 |
I would imagine the artist is quite happy that Sstashmoo is offended. Either that or he truly couldn't give a shit. | ||
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336 Post Number: 1090 Registered: 02-2007 |
By extending that stupid policy of subsidizing artists, Detroit should expand the concept and subsidize everybody's line of work--i.e., socialism. Do you know that NYC's rebound started with subsidizing artists? Let me put it in terms you may understand. Artists could be considered the "loss leaders" we use to bring others into our great Detroit "store." Sure, we lose a little money, but they bring more people in who will pay for more higher-end goods. got it? | ||
Russix Member Username: Russix Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2006 |
Yes, it is important to maintain the arts and creative classes. Else you end up with a bleak desolate industrial landscape that nobody wants to live in. Oh wait. | ||
Classico Member Username: Classico Post Number: 46 Registered: 12-2005 |
+1 to Southern and whoever made the stab about LY's shit for brains commissioned masterpiece. |
