Crains Member Username: Crains
Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:40 pm: | |
The expansion would increase refinery capacity from about 100,000 barrels a day to 120,000 and would add about 60 full-time employees and 75 full-time contractors. The project could begin at the end of 2007 and be completed in the fourth quarter of 2010. http://www.crainsdetroit.com/a pps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2007 0813/SUB/708130364/0/TOC&Profi le=0 |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 1711 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:47 pm: | |
Jobs jobs jobs jobs jobs! Hopefully they won't be planning on dumping excess waste into the river, or this plan could be stalled like the other recent refinery expansion. |
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field
Post Number: 765 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:48 pm: | |
i hope this doesn't mean that they will dump more pollution into the Detroit River, we can NOT tolerate that. BP is "expanding" their Indiana refinery to process Canadian crude and they will be dumping a whole lot more pollution in Lake Michigan. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9807 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:49 pm: | |
I love driving by the refineries while hearing that Michigan tends to have the highest or near highest gas prices in the country. Seems to make perfect sense if you ask me. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1370 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:51 pm: | |
Pretty soon that place will be smelling like New Jersey... |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 1714 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:53 pm: | |
I like that refinery. It's quite the scene from the road. Industry that is actually OPERATING. Woah! |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9809 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:54 pm: | |
I have a feeling that NJ has nothing on Delray when it comes to smell. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 1715 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:54 pm: | |
Ever been to Terra Haute? |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1371 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 4:57 pm: | |
I have a feeling that NJ has nothing on Delray when it comes to smell. I dunno... Delray isn't stinking up the entire state of Michigan. Jersey smells like one big nuclear accident. |
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1
Post Number: 9811 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:05 pm: | |
quote:I dunno... Delray isn't stinking up the entire state of Michigan. Jersey smells like one big nuclear accident. I've never been to Jersey but I find that hard to believe. My guess is this is a large exaggeration that keeps getting repeated. IMagine how pissy some people here would be if people constantly stated how all of Detroit smells horrible. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1372 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:09 pm: | |
^Smelling is believing. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1373 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:11 pm: | |
The only thing I can think of that might be worse in Detroit is the area around the Thorn Apple Valley factory on the east side. |
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed
Post Number: 1248 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 5:53 pm: | |
I've been to NJ. The people there are very much like Detroiters--very eager to rid themselves of false images and stereotypes. Very little of NJ looks like the open credits to The Sopranos, and very little of Jersey smells like crap. It's only snooty New Yorkers who never go past Paramus or the Meadowlands that perpetuate these myths. Parts of Sussex Co. are particularly beautiful. Now the PEOPLE of Jersey on the other hand...there's no getting around that...lol |
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man
Post Number: 1006 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:01 pm: | |
I don't think the Thorn Apple Valley plant has operated in a number of years........ |
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity
Post Number: 867 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:17 pm: | |
Some background: Marathon is in the process of buying Western Oil Sands, Inc. for $6.5 billion (Can.) and the assumption of $700,000,000 (Can.) in debt. Western own 20% of the Athabasca Oil Sands Project (w/ Shell and Chevron)located in the hot Ft. McMurray area of Alberta. Marathon is acquiring an interest in 300,000 acres, 200,000 of which is being mined for oil and 100,000 acres of which will be produced by in-situ combustion. The company is also considering expending its other refineries in LA, IL, MN as it is in Detroit to handle the heavy sour Canadian crude. Marathon claims "it can process an incremental 80,000 bbls per day of heavy sour crude at Detroit for less than half of the capital investment needed to build new upgrading capacity in Alberta." Reason enough, I'd say. Johnlodge: The BP expansion is going ahead as planned despite initial opposition because BP has complied w/ all Indiana and Federal dumping restrictions and has acquired all permits necessary. Iheartthed: That's the smell of money. |
Tkelly1986 Member Username: Tkelly1986
Post Number: 393 Registered: 01-2004
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:20 pm: | |
If you want smell, drive I-90 (the Chicago Skyway) right through downtown Gary Indiana. That place makes Detroit look like Paris (once again). Actually, the whole of Gary, Hammond, East Chicago is a dump. |
3rdworldcity Member Username: 3rdworldcity
Post Number: 868 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 6:33 pm: | |
I learned to love the smell when I lived in Hammond and East Chicago years ago. Cities where the sun never shines, especially when the steel mills and the refineries are going full blast. You can't get away from the odors so one might just as well sit back and enjoy them. |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 3570 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 7:56 pm: | |
All these large, industrial districts remind me of the "valley of ashes" outside NYC, as described in the Great Gatsby. The Rouge delta area is an enormous, smelly pit of mass production, but not as big as Gary/East Chicago and some areas in Jersey (which has a beautiful landscape away from their seaports) and south Philly. So what type of pollution is going in the Great Lakes? You'd think that by 2007 they'd have eradicated the need to dump pollution. |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 2919 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 8:50 pm: | |
quote:So what type of pollution is going in the Great Lakes? If we're on the same page, apparently it was ammonia and sludge: Durbin Opposes Permit That Will Allow Indiana Refinery to Pollute Lake Michigan from BP’s Whiting refinery in Indiana. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1374 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 9:15 pm: | |
It's only snooty New Yorkers who never go past Paramus or the Meadowlands that perpetuate these myths. Well, to be fair, Manhattan stinks too! Just not the same type of stink as North Jersey... |
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 3574 Registered: 02-2005
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:11 pm: | |
Thanks for the link, Jimaz. Clearly, they are producing massive, copious amounts of these products, but from what I know, they are not entirely unwanted, and polluting the lake would be stupid. Ammonia has uses, and so does sludge, i.e. you can use it to fertilize your lawn and garden (or maybe I'm thinking of sewer sludge here). |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 2923 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Monday, August 13, 2007 - 10:28 pm: | |
I'm not sure what they meant by sludge but I think ammonia has a lot of uses from fertilizer to explosives. I'd imagine Indiana could use some more fertilizer. Maybe an expert can add some, heh, fertilizer to this discussion. |
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia
Post Number: 989 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:22 am: | |
Expand, add jobs, reduce our cost of gas...bring it on! |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 1735 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 10:24 am: | |
Agreed, Michigan has fairly decent environmental legislation. If the refinery expansion meets those regulations, and supplies new jobs, I am satisfied. |