Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 6347 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:04 am: | |
Here's the source: 110 West Jefferson-Biddle Service discontinued. Alternate service available on Route 125 in River Rouge, on NEW Route 135 in Wyandotte, and on Route 830 in Trenton. Pick up a new Fort Street schedule for details. 125 Fort Street-Eureka Road All trips now operate via West End, Jefferson and Outer Drive; direct commuter service from Lincoln Park and Wyandotte is available on NEW Route 135. Pick up a new Fort Street schedule for details. 135 Southshore Express NEW route providing Weekday peak-hour service from Wyandotte and Lincoln Park to Downtown Detroit. Operates via Biddle, Goddard, Fort Street and I-75. Pick up a new Fort Street schedule for details. 140 Southshore NEW route connecting Wyandotte, Ecorse, Lincoln Park, Allen Park and Dearborn. Weekday and Saturday service provided along Biddle, Southfield Rd, Allen Rd, Outer Dr, Fairlane Dr and Oakwood Blvd. Sunday service provided between Fairlane and Fairlane Green via Oakwood Blvd. Pick up a new Downriver Community schedule for details. 145 Carlysle NEW route traveling along Monroe, Carlysle, Outer Dr, Fairlane Dr and Oakwood. Provides continued service to neighborhoods in Dearborn, expanded service to Fairlane Green and new service to Melvindale. Service available on Weekdays and Saturdays. Pick up a new Downriver Community schedule for details. 150 Allen-Wick Route and schedule modified. All trips now start/end at Beech Daly & Goddard in Taylor; three Weekday, peak-hour trips are available in each direction. Route 275 now provides all-day service on Pardee and Goddard; NEW Route 190 provides peak-hour service on Ecorse Rd. Pick up new Downriver Community, Airport and Telegraph schedules for details. 160 Downriver Saturday service now offered between Wyandotte and Trenton. Weekday trips also changed, with southbound service ending about an hour earlier and other minor adjustments. Pick up a new Downriver Community schedule for details. 185 Wayne Crosstown Service discontinued. NEW Route 140, NEW Route 145 and NEW Route 245 provide service in most areas formerly served by Route 185. Pick up new Downriver Community and Western Wayne schedules for details. 190 Taylor Flyer NEW route providing quick connections from Allen Park and Taylor to Metro Airport and Fairlane. Route travels via I-94, Ecorse Rd, Roosevelt and Southfield Fwy. Service in both directions provided during Weekday peak hours. Pick up a new Airport schedule for details. 200 Michigan Avenue First Weekday Inbound trip shortened to start at Michigan & Middlebelt at 4:15am. Pick up a new Michigan Avenue schedule for details. 201 Wayne Rd Shuttle Service discontinued. Route 200 and NEW Route 202 provide alternate service in most areas. Pick up new Michigan Avenue and Airport schedules for details. 202 Romulus NEW route linking Wayne and Metro Airport via Romulus neighborhoods. Service available Weekday peak hours. Pick up a new Airport schedule for details. 245 Cherry Hill NEW route traveling along Cherry Hill, Wayne Rd and Michigan Avenue. Service available Weekdays and Saturdays. Pick up a new Western Wayne schedule for details. 250 Ford Rd Route modified. Service to Fairlane Green now provided by NEW Route 140 and NEW Route 145. Service on Ford Rd between Southfield and Evergreen eliminated. New service to Henry Ford Community College via Evergreen Rd. Trip adjustments on all days. Pick up a new Western Wayne schedule for details. 255 Ford Rd Express Minor trip adjustments, including slightly reduced afternoon service. Pick up a new Western Wayne schedule for details. 265 Warren Route modified to serve retail destinations near Mercury Drive. Service on Warren east of Southfield, along Greenfield and through Fairlane Meadows discontinued. Trip adjustments to accommodate new routing. Pick up a new Western Wayne schedule for details. 275 Telegraph Most trips now travel via Goddard Rd and Pardee Rd in Taylor. Several Weekday peak-hour trips continue to serve Telegraph between Goddard and Eureka. Trip adjustments throughout the day. Pick up a new Telegraph schedule for details. 280 Middlebelt South On Weekdays, last trip Northbound and last trip Southbound discontinued due to low ridership. Other minor adjustments on all days. Pick up a new Airport schedule for details. 305 Grand River Weekday afternoon trip inbound to Detroit discontinued. Morning trips are unchanged. Pick up a new Farmington schedule for details. 400 Southfield-Orchard Ridge Route and schedule modified. Southbound routing returns to 11 Mile Rd. Two morning trips discontinued due to low ridership; other minor trip adjustments. Pick up a new Northland-Northwest schedule for details. 405 Northwestern Highway Route returns to Northwestern/M-10 between Northland and 10 Mile & Evergreen. Trips adjusted, including improved mid-day and Saturday service. Pick up a new Northland-Northwest schedule for details. 430 Main Street-Big Beaver Road Mid-day, early morning and evening service discontinued. Weekday peak-hour service improved to every 30-40 minutes. Pick up a new Woodward schedule for details. 450 Woodward-Pontiac Night service via North Oakland Medical Center discontinued. Pick up a new Woodward schedule for details. 445-475 Woodward Limited Routes now serve a revised set of limited stops south of 8 Mile Rd. Customers may board or deboard at any limited stop at any time. Pick up a new Oakland Limited schedule for details. 465 Auburn Hills Limited Stops and schedule modified. Route now serves a revised set of limited stops south of 8 Mile Rd. Customers may board or deboard at any limited stop at any time. Weekday Outbound trip departing Woodward & Larned at 4:40 a.m. discontinued due to low ridership. Pick up a new Oakland Limited schedule for details. 494 Dequindre Southbound routing returns to 8 Mile and Woodward. Weekday early evening service includes some minor adjustments. Pick up a new Dequindre/John R schedule for details. 510 Van Dyke Trip adjustments on all days, including more frequent service on Weekday afternoons. Pick up a new Van Dyke schedule for details. 515 Van Dyke Limited NEW route providing fast, limited-stop service along Van Dyke. All Route 515 trips travel between Wal-Mart (23 Mile & M-53) and VA Hospital via Downtown Detroit. On Weekdays, two inbound trips in the morning and two outbound trips in the afternoon. Pick up a new Van Dyke schedule for details. 525 Groesbeck Shuttle The Weekday trip departing 8 Mile & Van Dyke at 6:20am is extended to Macomb Mall. Pick up a new Van Dyke schedule for details. 530 Schoenherr Mid-day service discontinued. Weekday peak-hour service to/from Detroit unchanged. Pick up a new Lakeside schedule for details. 580 Harper Route modified. All trips now start/end at Metro Parkway & Harper in Clinton Township. Minor trip adjustments to accommodate new routing. Pick up a new Eastside schedule for details. 610-612 Kercheval-Harper-Jefferson Route and schedule modified. Service to Eastland Center discontinued on both routes. Route 610 circles in front of Eastland on Vernier Rd and Kelly Rd on Sundays only; at other times, use Route 730. Inbound trips enter Downtown Detroit via St Antoine rather than I-375 Service Drive. Weekday service to Midtown Detroit travels via Woodward; service on Cass, Mack, John R and Canfield discontinued. Buses make limited stops between Downtown and Midtown. First and last bus stop at Wayne State is moved to State Hall, at Cass & Putnam. Trips completely revised on all days. Pick up a new Eastside schedule for details. 620 Charlevoix Inbound trips enter Downtown Detroit via St Antoine rather than I-375 Service Drive. Pick up a new Eastside schedule for details. 635 Jefferson Express One Weekday Inbound trip discontinued; other trips adjusted slightly. Inbound trips enter Downtown Detroit via St Antoine rather than I-375 Service Drive. Pick up a new Eastside schedule for details. 752 North Hill Farms Weekday service after 9:00pm discontinued. Other minor trip adjustments on Weekdays, Saturdays and Sundays. Pick up a new Pontiac schedule for details. 753 Baldwin Minor trip adjustments on Weekdays, Saturdays and Sundays. Pick up a new Pontiac schedule for details. 756 Perry-Opdyke Weekday service after 7:00pm discontinued. Other minor trip adjustments on Weekdays and Saturdays. Pick up a new Pontiac schedule for details. 830 Downriver Park and Ride Route modified to serve West Rd and Downtown Trenton. All trips start/end at West & Grange, travel via West Rd, Jefferson, King Rd, then pick up the current routing at Fort & King. Service on Fort Street south of King Rd discontinued. Minor trip adjustments to accommodate new routing. Pick up a new Fort Street schedule for details. 851 West Bloomfield-Farmington Hills Park and Ride Route and schedule return to pre-construction levels. Pick up a new Westside Park & Ride schedule for details. ©Copyright SMART All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy & Terms of Use What about bringing SMART buses back to Nazi-Livonia, Trainman? Not going to happen on these new schedules. |
Bob Member Username: Bob
Post Number: 1529 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:35 am: | |
Seems like SMART is trying to do the best it can with its meager resources and piecemeal of communities that are a part of the system. Wish we could fund transit better so we could actually has a system that runs with frequency to make it more viable but SMART works the best it can with what it has. |
Dannaroo Member Username: Dannaroo
Post Number: 126 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 11:47 am: | |
Trainman in 3, 2, 1... |
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott
Post Number: 628 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:17 pm: | |
Note that "610-612" is a mistake (made by SMART, not Danny). It should read 610-615; there has never been a SMART route 612. I always wondered about the 610 bus stopping at Eastland; in all the times I've been on that bus I've never seen anyone get on or off there, and it was a 15 minute detour off the line because Eastland makes the buses take the most circuitous route possible. SMART's essential problem is it needs about three times as much money as it gets. I agree with Bob, I think they do the best they can with what they have. |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 1390 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:32 pm: | |
Goddammit, someone tell SMART to send the 610/615 downtown on Sundays! I might get around to that eventually... |
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott
Post Number: 630 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:42 pm: | |
The 615 doesn't run on Sunday at all. The 610 ends at Maryland in GPP and the idea is you can walk a block and transfer to the DDOT Jefferson bus, which runs every 25 minutes on Sunday. |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 1391 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:46 pm: | |
I've thought of that on several occasions, except the person I'm with at that point doesn't want to take DDOT from Wayburn. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 3006 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 1:56 pm: | |
Can someone explain why SMART uses three-digit route numbering? I thought they only had 45-or-so routes. This just seems ridiculous, unless, of course, there is actually a method to the madness. |
Chris_rohn Member Username: Chris_rohn
Post Number: 324 Registered: 04-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:15 pm: | |
DDOT holds rights to the two-digit route numbers. You wouldn't want someone to think a SMART route was actually a DDOT route or vice-vrsa would you? The horror! |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 3008 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:17 pm: | |
^I understand that. But why can't SMART use 1-- or letters? It seems absurd (and confusing) that such a small system has routes numbered up to 8-- and 9--. |
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott
Post Number: 631 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:30 pm: | |
The first digit indicates the part of town: 1 = downriver 2 = Michigan Ave corridor 3 = Grand River corridor 4 = Woodward corridor 5 = Gratiot corridor 6 = East Side (Jeff/Harper area) 7 = north suburban crosstown 8 = Park and Ride I'm not aware of any SMART route number starting with 9, not for many years. The reason they use 3 digit numbers is exactly because they don't want customers to confuse SMART routes with DDOT routes, though it's probably overkill to say DDOT "holds rights" to the two-digit numbers. More accurate to say DDOT (well, DSR) was there first. Also, though SMART doesn't operate very many routes at any one time, they change the routes in major ways every now and then (such as the reconfiguration of the downriver routes that started this thread), so by using 3 digit numbers they always have new numbers available. DDOT uses route numbers in the 70s to indicate limited-stop buses; other than that their route numbering is more or less alphabetical. The Lahser bus weirdly had route number 99 assigned to it, but that bus doesn't run anymore anyhow. |
Danindc Member Username: Danindc
Post Number: 3014 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 2:37 pm: | |
Cool. Thanks for clearing that up. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 3739 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:31 pm: | |
A possible (albeit, unlikely) reason for bus line nomenclature: Two digits => much easier for Detroiters. There are even a few single-digit routes. Unfortunately not enough of those are available without resorting to the alphabet. Three digits => only a bit harder--suburbanites can generally cope, though. Other alphanumeric combos => unknown, uncharted territory (Message edited by Livernoisyard on August 14, 2007) |
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott
Post Number: 632 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 3:47 pm: | |
Weirdly, as Detroit eliminated bus routes from the 1980s to the most recent round in 2005 or 2006, the single-digit routes fared the worst. The two downtown loop buses, the Zoo Shuttle, the Broadstreet bus and the Buchanan bus all were single digit routes and all were eliminated. Was there ever a bus route numbered "1"? |
Trainman Member Username: Trainman
Post Number: 500 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 8:21 pm: | |
The Middlebelt 285 SMART bus route had the highest rider-ship increase of any bus route from 2003 to 2006 based on data collected from the computers in the fare-boxes and the FTA database. The citizens petition is to bring back SMART to connect the three counties together with qualified funds from many different revenue sources. |
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin
Post Number: 4698 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2007 - 9:08 pm: | |
quote:A possible (albeit, unlikely) reason for bus line nomenclature: Two digits => much easier for Detroiters. There are even a few single-digit routes. Unfortunately not enough of those are available without resorting to the alphabet. Three digits => only a bit harder--suburbanites can generally cope, though. Other alphanumeric combos => unknown, uncharted territory This dude is an asshole for real... |
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott
Post Number: 635 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 12:05 am: | |
Trainman, the three counties are well connected. I can get anywhere I need to go on DDOT and SMART, since I never have to go to Livonia or Rochester or Lathrup Village. Petitions don't work, ever, period, unless it's an official petition to put something on a ballot. If you want SMART service restored to Livonia, all you have to do is convince the citizens of Livonia to put it back in, or else convince Wayne County the next time they have a transit millage vote to make it county-wide like Macomb County did and not to allow opt-out. Livonia opting out has very little effect on most of the rest of us. |
Russix Member Username: Russix
Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 1:11 am: | |
If you live North, South, or East of Livonia its had an effect. The worst for me has been the complete loss of 305 route. Yes, you can take DDOT in the city to make up for it, but the 305 route covered large parts of Farmington/Livonia with limited stops in Detroit(also covered the longest route in Detroit). But here is the good news, its actually just as fast to bike down Grand River from 7 Mile to Warren than ride DDOT. I've done it the last two evenings and its been a pretty nice ride. The right most lane has been recently repaved and is void of parked cars in the evening. I've been getting off the 330 at 8:38 and getting home at WSU by 9:34. Don't worry Livonia, as soon as that Wal-Mart opens, you will have bus service back. Its rather hard to find people who will work for minimum wage that drive cars. |
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott
Post Number: 636 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 1:23 am: | |
I find it interesting that Michigan has more frequent SMART buses than DDOT, whereas Grand River has very frequent DDOT service but barely any SMART service. Woodward, Gratiot and Fort are pretty well covered by both. I don't know what that means, if anything, but it seems curious to me. Anyone have an idea why this would be so? |
Trainman Member Username: Trainman
Post Number: 501 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 5:41 am: | |
We need county, state and federal taxes and lots of fare-box money to optimize SMART bus service, in my opinion. Thanks for any comments because I did enjoy having SMART in Livonia and the bike racks. I don't need SMART because I must drive every day to qualify for my job but I want our area to have the best public transit as possible to attract more jobs, tourists and for quality of life. I think helping SMART get back to Livonia and into other communities should be for the benefit of everyone. |
Masterblaster Member Username: Masterblaster
Post Number: 74 Registered: 03-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:04 pm: | |
Mr. Professor The opting out of Livonia eliminated some moderately used routes - 305, 810, 820, and 285. The 810 and 820 were park-and-ride routes that were utilized pretty heavily by suburbanites living in Southfield, Livonia, Farmington, and such. (The 2 routes were combined into the 805) I have 4 co-workers who live in western Wayne County, who used to take the 810. When it was eliminated, they just starting driving to work. The 285 route, while not heavily utilized, directly linked the northwestern suburbs and western wayne county suburbs to the airport. The 305, while extremely LONG, was moderately used and was convenient for getting to/from downtown to the northwestern suburbs. Just because you may live in Macomb County or the eastern Oakland County, you may not realize the effect Livonia opting out has had. (Although I think the elimination of 305 didn't have anything to do with Livonia.) |
Jb3 Member Username: Jb3
Post Number: 233 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:45 pm: | |
Screw Livonia! If Livonianites want bus service then get the hell out of that sprawling shithole! |
Jb3 Member Username: Jb3
Post Number: 234 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 6:46 pm: | |
Thanks Danny!! |
Miketoronto Member Username: Miketoronto
Post Number: 619 Registered: 07-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2007 - 10:08 pm: | |
A number of you have mentioned using the bus in this post and others. How many of you are choice riders of the bus? Just wondering. One thing SMART still must do is operate the spoke road buses together with DDOT. DDOT and SMART both need to share the routes on those roads. They could offer better service, while using less buses from each system, if they share. (Message edited by miketoronto on August 15, 2007) |
Scs100 Member Username: Scs100
Post Number: 1399 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 9:08 am: | |
quote:How many of you are choice riders of the bus? Just wondering. I am. (Message edited by SCS100 on August 16, 2007) |
Danny Member Username: Danny
Post Number: 6350 Registered: 02-2004
| Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 10:58 am: | |
I like the the new Downriver SMART Bus routes. Providing new access to Trenton and Wyandotte area. |
Trainman Member Username: Trainman
Post Number: 503 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2007 - 7:11 pm: | |
The vast majority of the voters want SMART to come back. It was the lack of leadership in Lansing and DARTA that cost us our bus service. The two state leaders for Livonia (Mc$&*#@($$ and $*#@or) did nothing to protect any state money and both in fact openly supported more money to expand roads. They claim that it is for safety but expanding roads while not protecting and maintaining our existing mass transit is not SMART all all but is stupid. This is based on facts and is not my opinion. A small one or two cent per gallion fuel tax increase can easily restore all bus service and get Livonia and many other communities to opt into transit authorities. Our fuel tax would still be low compared to other midwestern states. I'm hoping to get our Livonia leaders and others just like them out of office and replaced with leaders who truly support the needs of everyone first by protecting mass transit's fair share of taxes from fuels. At stake is about $300 Million dollars per year, so tell me DYer's. Is there is better way? How many of you DYer's believe that we can support bus service at the fare box? Do any of you support a county sales tax for SMART and DDOT? If so, would you want more state and federal funds from fuel taxes to be protected first? Our leaders do indeed want to increase the state fuel tax. So, please DYer's if they do then please demand that the money go to help SMART. If any of you DYer's don't do this then you are not very smart. |