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Post Number: 2
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2007 - 11:41 pm: |    |
I know this was an ancient thread some time ago, but does anyone know what has come of this one time very realistic plan? |
Dan
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Post Number: 1432
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 12:02 am: | |
Their funding structure is bizarre, at some point it might happen in Detroit.
Who knows what will happen now that Live Nation owns HOB. |
Crash67
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 2:03 pm: | |
They'd been talking about it for a long time as a tenant at Ford Field, along with a high end hotel, in the rest of the old warehouse space.
It would be great to have a House of Blues in Detroit, but I think that concept is on the back burner at best according to my contacts around town. |
Downtown_dave
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Post Number: 196
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 3:43 pm: | |
Sounding like Gistok a bit - I think the National Theater would make a great House of Blues. Build out the restaurant/kitchen space onto the parking lot next door and renovate the theater for performance/restaurant use. Can you imagine the facade lit with electric lightbulbs as originally built? Great location, too... |
Citylover
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Post Number: 2610
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:16 pm: | |
To hell with the house of blues. Why does Detroit need a house of blues? Go and support cliff bells and bakers and other night clubs....... maybe fargo n.d. or some other city that does not have the musical heritage detroit does could benefit from a house of blues_ detroit does not need it. |
Dabirch
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Post Number: 2387
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 6:26 pm: | |
quote:maybe fargo n.d. or some other city that does not have the musical heritage detroit does could benefit from a house of blues
Like Chicago, LA, New Orleans... |
Lefty2
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Post Number: 92
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 9:08 pm: | |
House of Motown! |
Spitcoff
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Post Number: 134
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 9:11 pm: | |
watch if we do get one it will be small and suck like the hard rock |
Citylover
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Post Number: 2612
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 9:29 am: | |
Am I to believe that because Chicago New Orleans and LA have house of blues with their rich musical heritage that Detroit should as well Dabirch? Why? Those cities have large tourist populations.Detroit does not.The locally operated Detroit clubs need the support.
However your post did remind me of the old Steve Martin gag where he talked about his great vacation down south. ........ He even went to an authentic southern restaurant ....Kentucky fried chicken............ |
Chow
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Post Number: 419
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 9:43 am: | |
1,200 casino hotel rooms are about to come into the market. Detroit IS a growing tourism destination; downtown is becoming an entertainment hotspot. The House of Blues does not cater to the same audience as Bakers or Cliff Bells, so why don't we expand the market? |
Thejesus
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Post Number: 2031
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 10:04 am: | |
If the market demands it, HOB will be there to tap it...I don't know what it is about free market principles that confuses people so much...
The whole "it isn't fair, we have a richer musical heritage, blah, blah blah" attitude is NOT what drives a decision to locate a business in a certain market...you guys can keep trying it, but ask yourselves, has it EVER yielded you a positive result? Ever? |
Bobj
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Post Number: 2348
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 11:04 am: | |
In a related matter, what ever happened to the hotel for Ford Field?? |
Cgunn
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Post Number: 102
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 11:11 am: | |
Although we don't NEED a HOB, it would be nice to get on in Detroit. I was surprised that Live Nation brought a Fillmore to Detroit before a HOB.
At the same time, we are about to have about 3600 more theater seats (the casinos), so I'm not sure if the market will demand a HOB just yet.
Citylover, what about Cleveland. Does Cleveland really have large tourist populations?
(Message edited by cgunn on September 07, 2007) |
Cgunn
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Post Number: 103
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 11:20 am: | |
I think that deal for the hotel went out the way when the Hilton Garden Inn was built. I could be wrong. |
Danindc
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Post Number: 3209
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 11:34 am: | |
I don't understand the obsession with House of Blues. It's a frigging nightclub. Big deal.
Cleveland doesn't really have a large tourist population, but then again, they're not exactly focusing all their energies to make their downtown cater exclusively to tourists and suburbanites. The HOB there is a great venue, but they also have a *very* strong local music scene going--the HOB is just one of many venues downtown. |
Rjlj
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Post Number: 388
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 11:40 am: | |
We have plenty of venues downtown and throughout the area. Not to say that these can't be improved upon. People have been brainwashed into liking chains. They also think if you put chains downtown to make it look like the suburbs, that this will save the city. |
Lansingfire
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Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 11:51 am: | |
It also helps Cleveland is the home of the Rock & Roll Hall of fame |
Citylover
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Post Number: 2613
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 12:07 pm: | |
Detroit has a strong local scene as well..........
While pondering your question thejesus I do believe the motown record label fits the description. The musical heritage was preciseley the reason Berry Gordy located in Detroit_ of course that is an unusual example and it was decades ago.
As for the State/Fillmore I don't like it.But it probably brings some money to the state......... it just bugs me that somehow we are supposed to think that the Fillmore was some great mecca when in fact things just as cool and relevant were happening in Detroit.......... |
Detroitnerd
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Post Number: 1348
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 12:15 pm: | |
From George Carlin's CD, YOU ARE ALL DISEASED:
"I think that if white people are going to burn down black churches, then black people oughta burn down the House of Blues. What a fucking disgrace that place is. 'The House of Blues', they oughta call it 'The House of Lame White Motherfuckers.' Inauthentic, low-frequency, single-digit, lame white motherfuckers. Especially these male movie stars who think they're blues artists. Have you ever see these guys? Don't you just wanna puke in your soup when one of these fat, balding, overweight, over-aged, out-of-shape, middle-aged male movie stars with sunglasses jumps onstage and starts blowing into a harmonica? It's a fucking sacrilege. In the first place, white people got no business playing the blues, ever. At all. Under any circumstances, ever, ever, ever. What the fuck do white people have to be blue about? Banana Republic ran out of khakis? The espresso machine is jammed? Hootie and the Blowfish are breaking up?!? White people oughta understand their job is to give people the blues -- not to get them. And certainly not to sing or play them." |
Bobj
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Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 2:56 pm: | |
Ok then |
Citylover
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| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 3:10 pm: | |
That is funny but...............Paul Butterfield, Charley Musslewhite, Kim Wilson ,Jimmie Vaughan, Jeff Beck and a few others put a little crimp in that argument |
Oakmangirl
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Post Number: 278
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 4:01 pm: | |
Kim Wilson is good, but he hardly has the "blues". I do know of some unknowns who play amazing slide; Dooley Wilson of Toledo being one. He lived on the streets in New Orleans for a while and was very respected by black musicians; he also openly suffers from bi-polar disorder which I'd say gives him the *blues*. I agree to an extent with the Carlin hyperbolic rant, but honestly, serious musicians don't see color. Carlin's bit is limited to poseurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6zsbkeHvJY
I don't buy that playing music outside of a native diaspora makes one an idiot or a fake by default. If you can make a guitar sing...well, doesn't music (not the crap Carlin describes) transcend color?
(Message edited by Oakmangirl on September 07, 2007) |
Citylover
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Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 4:14 pm: | |
Kim wilson(do you know who he is oakman girl) is about as deep a blues musician of his generation as there is........if muddy waters or jr wells were still alive they would say the exact same thing. |
Rb336
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Post Number: 2048
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 4:28 pm: | |
gee, citylover, how can ya leave out Eric Burdon from that mix?
I guess good old George needs to hear Mitch Ryder's "ain't nobody white" |
Fury13
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Post Number: 2213
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 4:43 pm: | |
I think there are white people who can play the blues, with authority, and drawing on their life experience.
But probably not if they're British.  |
Fury13
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Post Number: 2214
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 4:46 pm: | |
Seriously, it would be great if we could preserve and/or revive the few little authentic, old-time blues and jazz spots we have left.
The Apex Bar. Phelps Lounge. Willis Show Bar. Blue Bird Inn. Baker's. 509 Club/Village. Etc., etc.
(Message edited by Fury13 on September 07, 2007) |
Detroitnerd
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Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 4:47 pm: | |
Right. Over there, the Irish sing the blues ...
"If you had the luck of the Irish,
You'd be sorry and wish you were dead.
If you had the luck of the Irish,
You'd wish you was British instead..." |
Oakmangirl
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Post Number: 279
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 4:59 pm: | |
Citylover,
Yep, I have Savoy Brown on snap, crackle, pop vinyl, but afraid I still see it as "Blue-eyed Blues". Muddy Waters? Ask Blind Willie Johnson for a real opinion.
Hey, I thought all Brits sang about the landlord's daughter?!? |
Detroitnerd
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Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 5:10 pm: | |
"Missus Brown, you've got a lurvely dottir..." |
Oakmangirl
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Post Number: 280
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2007 - 6:14 pm: | |
Wow, have we digressed...nice capture of *Herman's* cockney vocals. This whole thing is giving me ideas (very bad ones) for an update of My Fair Lady featuring British blues music; where's Baz Luhrmann when you really need him?
Detroit needs a House of Blues like it needs another Hard Rock Café; that is to say, we need neither. Why would we want to become a parody of another city's cheesy tourist attractions? Do we really think this crap will save us? |