 
Eric_c
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Username: Eric_c
Post Number: 1053
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 9:57 am: |    |
Who's retarded? |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1811
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 9:58 am: | |
^What do you know about Highland Park's civic system? |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2339
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:00 am: | |
yours and JT1's comments about there being some kind of distinction between HP and Detroit here...
It's all one place...we aren't talking about city services or government officials here...
we're talking about idiots vandalizing their own neighborhoods...that type of shit doesn't stop of the Detoit-HP border...
You're acting as though people in HP are willing to vandalize their own neighborhoods but people in Detroit aren't...sorry, but you won't have much success trying to convince anyone of that point... |
Danindc
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Post Number: 3444
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:02 am: | |
But nobody is overgeneralizing or anything. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2340
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:04 am: | |
good work you guys, trying to steer the discussion away from the point of this thread...
but, but, this happened on the inside the HP boundaries, so you can't claim this kind of thing is characteristic of Detroit!
..instead of condemning this kind of vandalism, you're spending your time focusing on what you think is some important distinction between Detroit and HP....your willingness to tolerate this kind of vandalism crap and not call people out on it is exactly why people who engage in it feel that i's no big deal...
you in a sense are just as responsible for this kind of shit as the people who actually vandalized it...
(Message edited by thejesus on October 09, 2007)
(Message edited by thejesus on October 09, 2007) |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1812
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:04 am: | |
Great, now that we have established that you know nothing of Highland Park's government, explain to me how Rosedale Park resembles Highland Park? Rosedale Park being a neighborhood in Detroit... and well, Highland Park not. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10407
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:05 am: | |
So tj are you going to answer my question:
Can Detroit calim success for any positives that happen in Hamtamck or HP? Can Warren residents be villifed if something happens in Centerline?
You are calling people idiots for having a distinction between the two but you see no problem lumping all Detroit, HP residents into a single mentality. Yep, all the neighborhoods are the same and all the people think the same.
Your argument that "Detroit and Highland park are one in the same...same type of people, same thug mentality, same kinds of impoverished neighborhoods... " is more ignorant (and typical elitist) than someone pointing out that they are different cities. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10408
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:06 am: | |
quote:but, but, this happened on the inside the HP boundaries, so you can't claim this kind of thing is characteristic of Detroit!•••••
idiots
but, but this happended in HP so all Detroit residents have a thug mentality and trash their own neighborhoods. Idiot. |
Iheartthed
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Post Number: 1813
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:06 am: | |
is more ignorant (and typical elitist) than someone pointing out that they are different cities.
Man, call a spade a spade. That was a racist statement whether it hurts his feelings to tell him that or not. |
Eric_c
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Username: Eric_c
Post Number: 1054
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:09 am: | |
He knows nothing.
He's making blanket statements about things he knows nothing about. In one statement he says political boundaries don't matter; in another he seems to think that the strife has been neatly contained. Within what?
To some, like Thejesus, Detroit, Highland Park, River Rouge, Inkster, Saginaw, Benton Harbor, Pontiac, Harlem, NY, Oakland, CA and Washington, D.C. are all the same. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2341
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:10 am: | |
I'm not hearing any of your bullshit today Jt1...I really hate seeing stuff like this and when I see people like you who won't direct their energy at condemning acts of vandalism like this, then I see the reason Detroit is in the condition it's in...
Responsible adults need put their foot down and let people know this kind of shit is NOT ok rather than pull out every excuse in the book for it
Absolutely disgusting
(Message edited by thejesus on October 09, 2007) |
6nois
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Post Number: 535
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| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:15 am: | |
This is the part where he gets upset and pulls moral high ground, and because you specificly didn't say you don't condone this type of act you must be okay with it. |
Umcs
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Username: Umcs
Post Number: 122
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:18 am: | |
Is it he who shouts the loudest and most vehemently wins? Just checking.
As to the original post, yeah, this is pretty sad but not uncommon throughout Michigan. The problem is whether the builder/developer can stay solvent enough to provide 24 hour security. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10409
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:19 am: | |
quote:I'm not hearing any of your bullshit today Jt1...I really hate seeing stuff like this and when I see people like you who won't direct their energy at condemning acts of vandalism like this, then I see the reason Detroit is in the condition it's in...
Nice neat, little assumption. Because I choose to point out how you are incorrect I am ignoring these acts. Last I checked a message board won't stop these acts. I think they are appalling but I try to work in the community to stop this stuff and improve the community. Can you say the same? You choose to condemn, stereotype and complain but appear to do nothing. Your bullshit falls on deaf ears unless your actions can support your attitude. So in that regard put your money or your effort where your mouth is.
These acts and the people committing them are horrible. That does not change the fact that you are wrong in your bs assumptions about all of the people in Detroit and HP and your incessant overgeneralizing.
quote:Responsible adults need put their foot down and let people know this kind of shit is NOT ok rather than pull out every excuse in the book for it
Again let's differentiate between actions and words on a forum. I can work to improve my community, volunteer with my community watch, etc and still call out your elitist, stereotyping crap.
quote:Absolutely disgusting
If you are that disgusted I have to ask what you do to help. Oh wait, you criticize but are unwilling to do anything. The easy way out.
(Message edited by jt1 on October 09, 2007) |
Eric_c
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Username: Eric_c
Post Number: 1055
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:30 am: | |
No one has endorsed the vandalism of these homes.
The fact is, people in this thread began to condemn the residents of this neighborhood for the vandalism. I posted the the reason behind the developments' failure and stated that the homes were being torn apart by scrappers. The next thing I know, Thejesus had to shit-stir with comments about Troy. Realize: the scrappers do not live next door or down the street. They may be residents of Detroit or anyplace else.
My Detroit neighborhood is not like this one in Highland Park. East English Village is not like Delray. Westland is not like Garden City.
NORTHVILLE is not like Birmingham.
Your blanket statements are insulting to me and many other dedicated Detroiters, many of whom no longer post here because they are too busy rebuilding the city to engage in petty arguments with uninformed college students living in Dad's basement. God only knows why I still do!
Grab a hammer and quit stirring shit! |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2343
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:32 am: | |
this is the same bullshit mentality you guys expressed in the carjacking thread last week...(see Erci_C's post 1050 for the classic example of what I'm talking about)
instead of of condemning shit like that, you try to offer excuses for it, which is exactly why it happens in the first place...
In communities that refuse to tolerate that kind of crap, this stuff doesn't happen or happens far less...
wake the fuck up people...take a stand for once
(Message edited by thejesus on October 09, 2007) |
Eric_c
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Username: Eric_c
Post Number: 1058
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:34 am: | |
Useless retort.
Go to school. Grab a hammer. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10410
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:44 am: | |
quote:Grab a hammer.
We know that would require action. It is far easier to criticize and stereotype. |
Danny
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Username: Danny
Post Number: 6647
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:45 am: | |
Hip cool skinny jeaned white kids are moving back to Detroit are several reasons:
1. The Midtown district is booming with lofts, condos, retail, international restaurants and college coarse opportunities from Wayne State University.
2. Downtown Detroit area is also booming with retail, international restaurants, sports, caSINos and lots of clubs and housing.
3. Most of them are tired living in their boring cookie cutter inner ring suburban homes. Despite what their mommies and daddies said about terrible things that are going on in Detroit long ago and today. Most of them said that it full of black-folks that don't clean up after themselves and their ghettohoods. The hip cool skinny jeaned white kids don't give a hoot about their parents' warnings about the Detroit's bad rep. They just want to live, work and play there. If their parents don't like it, well too bad.
White folks are coming back to Detroit not by quick families, but by empty nesters. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2344
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:46 am: | |
There you go…direct your attention at me
“”How dare you suggest that we stop making excuses for vandalism and stop tolerating stupid idiotic thug culture in our neighborhoods! Blah balh blah, Northville sucks too! Haha””
Meanwhile, these jackasses are committing more crimes and vandalizing more houses in your neighborhoods right behind your back while your attention is focused on me…
So I say again…WAKE THE F- UP! |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10411
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:51 am: | |
quote:”How dare you suggest that we stop making excuses for vandalism and stop tolerating stupid idiotic thug culture in our neighborhoods! Blah balh blah, Northville sucks too! Haha””
Actually it was "How dare you steretype the entire city and ignore all of the hard work that many people do in the community"
I would hope that in your vast knowledge and intelligence that simple point would get through to you.
Here I will summarize in an easy fashion for you:
1. These people and these crimes are horrible and they need to be caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
2. The vast majority of Detroiters do not condone crime.
3. Many people in the community work hard to improve their community.
4. Stereotyping the entire city and the entire population is stupid and elitist.
5. You are welcome to help improve the city. It is much more productive than telling people working to improve the community to 'wake the f- up"
Is that easy enough to understand? |
E_hemingway
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Username: E_hemingway
Post Number: 1359
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:52 am: | |
I think buying and rehabbing a home while taking an active role in improving a neighborhood that many have given up on does far more to prevent vandalism and blight than condemning it from the comfort of the basement in their parents' house way out in the burbs. Just saying. |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1814
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:53 am: | |
Hip cool skinny jeaned white kids are moving back to Detroit are several reasons
Given Michigan's obesity epidemic... Are all of the cool hip white kids moving back into the city slim enough to wear skinny jeans? |
Eric_c
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Username: Eric_c
Post Number: 1059
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:57 am: | |
How can we not focus on the words of our self-righteous savior? |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10413
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:57 am: | |
quote:I think buying and rehabbing a home while taking an active role in improving a neighborhood that many have given up on does far more to prevent vandalism and blight than condemning it from the comfort of the basement in their parents' house way out in the burbs. Just saying.
Absolutely not. Hollering "Wake the f- up" is much more positive than any of your efforts in your community.
I am just going to walk around the city hollering "wake the f- up" and crime, poverty, unemployment and blight in the city will instantly be eradicated. |
Danny
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Username: Danny
Post Number: 6649
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:58 am: | |
YAY!! CLAP CLAP great post Jt1,
It's time for all us Detroiters and suburbanities and wake up and smell reality for it's changing. And we all must go with the change or die.
Detroit is not K-Ville, New Orleans or Mississippi. It's the MOTOR CITY. Always have been sice the birth of the mass production of the automobile and always will be into the future. |
E_hemingway
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Username: E_hemingway
Post Number: 1360
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 10:59 am: | |
I have to say I am the most concerned for the skinny white hipsters. Where are they going to put their CCW handguns if their jeans are so tight? Even if they could get them in there, those jeans would probably significantly slow down their draw time. I'm telling you those kids are just sitting ducks out there. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2345
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 11:02 am: | |
"How dare you steretype the entire city and ignore all of the hard work that many people do in the community"
I wasn't stereotyping the whole city, as much as you'd like to believe that, since it would permit you to focus on that rather the topic at hand.
It's called GENERALIZING...the statement applied to Detroit as a WHOLE, not the every individual Detroiter, the difference being that one allows exceptions and the other does not... |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 1815
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 11:07 am: | |
I am just going to walk around the city hollering "wake the f- up" and crime, poverty, unemployment and blight in the city will instantly be eradicated.
Spike Lee will probably sue you for stealing his schtick. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2346
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 - 11:09 am: | |
"I think buying and rehabbing a home while taking an active role in improving a neighborhood that many have given up on does far more to prevent vandalism and blight than condemning it from the comfort of the basement in their parents' house way out in the burbs. Just saying."
It may come as a surprise to you, but many, many people in their mid 20s earn a good living and do not live in their parents house, even if that's not the case for you...
btw, I'm 27 and moved out of my mother's house back when I was 19...this type of thing is the norm nowadays, just to let you know
also, we are doing quite a fine job in Northville of preventing vandalism and blight and keeping our numerous historic houses in pristine condition...you seriously don't need to worry about Northville...just saying
care to make any more idiotic assumptions?
(Message edited by thejesus on October 09, 2007) |