Deandub11 Member Username: Deandub11
Post Number: 154 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 6:51 pm: | |
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10 /11/us/12cnd-bridge.html?_r=1& hp&oref=slogin |
Kid_dynamite Member Username: Kid_dynamite
Post Number: 309 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 7:49 pm: | |
what's being built in the foreground of that picture? |
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner
Post Number: 1440 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 7:56 pm: | |
thats the Ambassador Bridge Gateway project. |
Dannaroo Member Username: Dannaroo
Post Number: 168 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 8:16 pm: | |
While I haven't yet formed an opinion on this topic one way or another, I do like this quote from the article:
quote:“Who needs another?” said Victor Abla, whose window in the Southwest Detroit neighborhood of Hubbard Farms looks out on the Ambassador Bridge. “With trucks backed up on the bridge that’s already here, the pollution is horrible in my neighborhood, and the asthma rates are sky high.” So this guy points out that all these trucks idling are causing some massive pollution and increasing rates of asthma in the neighborhood. But he is opposed to a new bridge that would alleviate some of the congestion and hopefully put an end to some of that air pollution he complains about? (I'm scratching my head at that one) |
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1180 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 8:19 pm: | |
Revamp the border and it should be run by a port authority not one person or company. |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 2082 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 9:16 pm: | |
Funny thing is most New Yorkers couldn't find the Detroit River on a map if you spotted them Detroit and Windsor. |
Zephyrprocess Member Username: Zephyrprocess
Post Number: 500 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 9:47 pm: | |
quote:So this guy points out that all these trucks idling are causing some massive pollution and increasing rates of asthma in the neighborhood. But he is opposed to a new bridge that would alleviate some of the congestion and hopefully put an end to some of that air pollution he complains about? (I'm scratching my head at that one) It's no different than the often observed phenomenon wherein widening a road does not necessarily alleviate traffic jams. The trucking industry finds the current bridge delays tolerable. If the bridge capacity doubles, truck traffic might similarly double, to the same point of congestion--still tolerable to truckers, but even worse for neighborhood health. |
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 313 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 10:22 pm: | |
because new york is the center of the universe. |
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto
Post Number: 4271 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 11:55 pm: | |
"But he is opposed to a new bridge that would alleviate some of the congestion and hopefully put an end to some of that air pollution he complains about? (I'm scratching my head at that one)" Because there is not enough infrastructure in place to handle the traffic on either side, especially on the Windsor side. Because concentrating all the traffic in one spot puts an unfair burden on two neighborhoods (The one on the Detroit side and the one on the Windsor Side). The neighborhood on the Detroit side has experienced significant residential and business growth in the last decade, despite the loss of numerous blocks of homes to the empire of Maroun the Vampire. Because the Bridge Company has a long record of lies and deception. (Just to give one example, the restoration of the Maroun-owned Michigan Central Station, promised to residents of the neighborhood in 1995, has not taken place). Because the concentration of one of the most heavily used border crossings in the US in one place represents a serious health and security issue. Because allowing one man to control an entire border crossing is a MONOPOLY. There are plenty of places that a second bridge can be built further south of the Ambassador Bridge, where there is less residential development. Why is it necessary for trucks to have to drive almost to Downtown Detroit to cross into Canada? |
Walkerpub Member Username: Walkerpub
Post Number: 178 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:03 am: | |
Never underestimate Manuel Maroun. If you haven't read the famous Forbes article, "The Troll Under the Bridge", pony up the two bucks and open yer eyes. https://www.mywire.com/Auth.do ?extId=10022&uri=/archive/forb es/2004/1115/134.html |
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1182 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 1:41 am: | |
Save two bucks... :-) http://www.forbes.com/business /free_forbes/2004/1115/134.htm l I hope it's the same story |
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1183 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 2:07 am: | |
I remember reading this a while back... talk about a pimp and capitalist. It baffles me how this is not run by a "Detroit Windsor Port Authority" of some kind. I will say this.. it's our own governments fault on both sides of the water. I would love for the government to step in and cease his bridge, but he would have to be broken off so tough.... worth half a billion dollars? Sheeeeeit. Was the effort to dump MCS off on Detroit a ploy to keep us off his back? |
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto
Post Number: 4274 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 8:21 am: | |
I'll answer that with a question. Is Maroun the Vampire a major contributor to the war chests of both Kwame and Carolyn Cheeks-Kilpatrick? |
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1184 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 8:53 am: | |
According to the article he was... |
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck
Post Number: 471 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 9:23 am: | |
Amen, Barnesfoto. Well-said. Also, one choice tidbit in The Times' piece shows that Matty doesn't think "New York is the center of the universe," as Lefty2 aptly puts it:quote:[Moroun] might consider an interview "in a month or so," Mr. Stamper said. Times, schmimes ... who needs these pushy New Yorkers? |
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 321 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 10:07 am: | |
I was referring to this statement - not Matty "Funny thing is most New Yorkers couldn't find the Detroit River on a map if you spotted them Detroit and Windsor." New Yorkers/press thinks they are the center of the world. (Message edited by lefty2 on October 12, 2007) |
Goat Member Username: Goat
Post Number: 9855 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 10:15 am: | |
Another crossing isn't needed. A revamp of what customs officials can do would speed things up a lot. Currently they have cart blanche to do what they like. If they had guidelines, they would be able to pull someone over quickly instead of the 20 questions game; Which eventually just lets the person go without a second inspection. I will say again, capacity isn't the issue. |
Rb336 Member Username: Rb336
Post Number: 2836 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 11:17 am: | |
capacity is the issue, capacity is limited by a relatively tiny bridge, tiny staging area, etc. It will only get worse with increased security requirements. to totally different systems are needed, as far as i'm concerned -- a car bridge and a commercial traffic bridge |
Dougw Member Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1946 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 11:29 am: | |
This quote was noteworthy, for anyone under the delusion that an ownership monopoly will be good for SE Michigan business:
quote:Leaders in the auto industry here, which depends on the bridge for carrying parts between assembly plants on both sides, have supported studying a government bridge. Frederick W. Hoffman, the director of state relations for Chrysler, said, “Our particular concern is that there be multiple owners, and thus more competition in the costs.” |
Goat Member Username: Goat
Post Number: 9861 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 11:44 am: | |
RB, capacity has been going down NOT up. In fact, capacity at the tunnel is near an all-time low. The wait times increase is due to CUSTOMS not the inability for traffic to flow over the bridge or through the tunnel. Many times there ar enot enough customs booths open or the screening takes longer. Why not increase the number of booths or increase the speed of questioning (or better yet pull them over if suspicious). Having another bridge will alleviate the speed somewhat but why spend on all that TAXPAYER money on a third crossing only to have that backed up due to customs again? If a third crossing is necessary then let the private sector build it. |
Realitycheck Member Username: Realitycheck
Post Number: 472 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:05 pm: | |
quote:I was referring to this statement - not Matty Knew that, Lefty2, and was just trying a bank shot off yours to poke at MM's arrogance. Regret missing the pocket. |
French777 Member Username: French777
Post Number: 251 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2007 - 8:56 pm: | |
I don't get the end of the article it said no one is leaving out the possibility of both bridges being built. so there would be 3 bridges?? |