  Dds Member Username: Dds Post Number: 396 Registered: 10-2006 |
quote: Pray tell us, Detroitrise, how does it work, then? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 3060 Registered: 10-2003 |
Let the market work. Lots of people in an area, not a lot of water, water becomes more expensive. Cost of living goes up. People move because they want their money to go farther. Those willing to pay higher prices to live in that region will stay. Less people in the region, less demand, water supply stabilizes. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 234 Registered: 09-2007 |
Simple, like anywhere any other time in life, you give to get. It doesn't work any other way. | ||
Dhugger Member Username: Dhugger Post Number: 211 Registered: 03-2005 |
WATER for OIL is that a fair trade issue? "Richardson supports a national water policy. That could mean pulling water for other states, from the Great Lakes....Nevada is one of several parched western states that are looking for ways to supply enough water for a growing population." With all the water Nevada wastes on the damn casino exhibits I can't believe they are thinking about using Great Lakes water for any thing. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 239 Registered: 09-2007 |
"WATER for OIL is that a fair trade issue?" You have to ask them that. That's only if they want our water. We want their Oil but tehy don't want our water because they haven't brought up the trade yet. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 5512 Registered: 08-2004 |
Wow, the short distance from Las Vegas to Lake Meade requires a $817 million intake valve/pipe! Just imagine what it would cost to send water from the Great Lakes to the Southwest, a vastly greater distance... and think of all the energy required to get all that water over the Continental Divide! Such a project would surely cost billions and billions! Just think of all the environmental impact studies required for it. It would take decades for that alone!  | ||
Dhugger Member Username: Dhugger Post Number: 215 Registered: 03-2005 |
We would just drive it to Las Vegas in massive trucks. This is how Americans do every thing else. Drive a tomato grown in the southern California valley all the way to Michigan. Makes sense to me. | ||
Peachlaser Member Username: Peachlaser Post Number: 130 Registered: 08-2006 |
Thanks Lowell. Yes, I can understand about Detroit wanting to show some exuberance over having something that many parts of the country need and want. As my mother would say, "The shoe is on the other foot now." Detroit, the Water City. That has a nice ring to it! | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 244 Registered: 09-2007 |
"Detroit, the Water City. That has a nice ring to it!" Eh, I prefer AquaBoogieland. (Message edited by Detroitrise on October 13, 2007) | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 3498 Registered: 12-2005 |
I could never understand why they didn't put a cover over the Arizona Canal. Imagine the evaporation loss from that thing! | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 663 Registered: 05-2005 |
Let's form OWESP: the new Organization of Water Exporting States and Provinces. Charge idiots in Nevada and Georgia 50 bucks a barrel for our water. Use the cash to rebuild our infrastructure and improve our quality of life. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2933 Registered: 06-2004 |
$50 is too low - water's worth more than oil | ||
Atl_runner Member Username: Atl_runner Post Number: 1977 Registered: 10-2003 |
It's dry as hell here.. but everything is not dead.. still green as ever and there are no real outward signs of the drought. Those are coming, but not here yet. What I am trying to say is that it's not armegegddon..yet. I miss the rain. One of my favorite things is a rainy day where you wake up, and it's raining, it rains throughout the day, and when you go to bed, it's still raining. It does rain here.. just in short bursts, and at very random intervals that are spread far apart. Look for this to evolve in the direction of the Army corps of Engineers. They are releasing far too much water downstream of the major dammed lakes that sustain Atlanta.. all in the name of an endangered mussel and one species of fish. The governor of GA will start legal action against the ACOE if they don't reduce outflow. I could give you numbers that would put it all in perspective.. that the water is still there, it just needs to be managed more effectively. The problem is, that creates a cascading effect downstream.. in Alabama and N. Florida. The Chattahoochee river basin is what we are talking about here. Two key lakes.. Allatoona and Lanier.. for future reference. You will probably hear more about this as there is no end in sight per the forcasters. One final note. There has never once been any mention of getting water from somewhere else. Every story revolves around managing the situation internally to the effected areas. The leadership here seems well grounded in reality, as opposed to those in the SW states.. i.e. Richardson. | ||
Buzzman0077 Member Username: Buzzman0077 Post Number: 121 Registered: 11-2006 |
I agree with the idea that the system should be allowed to work itself out. Just as we will never truly run out of oil. No region will truly run out of water. The cost will rise and those who can't afford it will leave. Those who can afford it will stay and a new equilibrium will develope. Should legislation be created by parties in those areas at the national level to steal our water to prop up there levels artificially, I will be waiting to fight every tanker, truck, pipeline that tries to take our water out of Michigan. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1817 Registered: 10-2006 |
"No region will truly run out of water. The cost will rise and those who can't afford it will leave. Those who can afford it will stay and a new equilibrium will develope." Ah, Capitalism at its finest! | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1818 Registered: 10-2006 |
Some of you all are confusing this Atlanta (southeast drought) thread with this other (southwest drought) one: https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/116094.html?1192243342 Are there not vast differences between the SE and SW when it comes to the average water supply? Historically, the SE gets much more rain than the SW. However, the SE is in the middle of a record drought never before recorded. You can hardly scoff at those that live in the SE for living where there is on average plenty of water available. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 370 Registered: 07-2007 |
Michigan should tell the rest of the states that our water is off limits, WITH A LAW. So that the other states will walk away like they were just interviewed by Chris Hanson like they were pedophiles trying to steal Michigan's crown jewels. Water IS the next oil, make NO mistake about it!••• | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 437 Registered: 04-2006 |
Two things: 1) Protect our water now (as is). The lake levels have shown signs of decline without there being any significant divergence of the supply. 2) Protect the water if and when a population does move here (seems unlikely anytime soon). No matter what happens, whether it be nothing at all or some sort of serious change, the Great Lakes need active protection starting right now. | ||
Peachlaser Member Username: Peachlaser Post Number: 131 Registered: 08-2006 |
Several issues involve the Corps of Engineers and agreements between Georgia, Alabama and Florida. Environmental laws are only one piece of puzzle. The Corps is required to release water so these states can get their fair share. The Chattahoochee is a navigable river and a lot of commerce is done with barges on the river, so they also have a say in how much water gets released. The estuary where the mussels are located at the mouth on the Gulf is an indicator of the health of the river. By the time the river reaches this spot, it already smells like diesel and is a polluted mixture of lawn, highway and farm runoffs. Releasing the water keeps this from becoming even more toxic and concentrated. The mussels are an indicator of the toxicity of the river at its mouth. If they die, it is an indicator that everything else has a good chance of dying. So, it is easy to say that the water is going to keep the mussels alive instead of people, but if the mussels do die, it is an indicator of how polluted the waters have become. Just in Atlanta, the Chattahoochee flows beneath major highways like Ga. 400, I-285 twice, I-75, and I-20. If we did not have so much runoff from these highways, then I surmise that less water could be released from Lake Lanier. As Atl-runner said, things still look good as we have gotten just enough rain to keep things green naturally. But, there is a huge amount of irrigated landscaping in neighborhoods, office complexes and golf courses. There are already outdoor watering bans which should slow the drop in the lakes somewhat, but they are still dropping. A good tropical storm that hangs around with a steady (and non-flooding) rain would be nice. Here are some photos comparing the SW and SE droughts. The SW shots are from Lake Powell on the border of Arizona and Utah and the SE photo is from Lake Lanier...http://www.lasersol.com/images /lakes_levels.jpg | ||
Ferntruth Member Username: Ferntruth Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2006 |
"Michigan should tell the rest of the states that our water is off limits, WITH A LAW." How would that work exactly? Michigan doesn't own the water in the Great Lakes anymore than Ohio, Illinois or any other state that borders the Great Lakes. So, if Michigan should pass a law, how would that prevent another GL border state from siphoning water? Wouldn't it have to be a law that was passed in all of the bordering states? or a Federal law? Interesting topic though. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 256 Registered: 09-2007 |
Actually, we can claim 2 of the 3 bigger lakes (as they only border Canada). I see your point though. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1829 Registered: 10-2006 |
Charlotte area's drinking water and lakes: http://www.catawbariverkeeper. org/News/2007%20Drought%20v2.p df http://www.flickr.com/photos/4 thsipmadness/1427978337/ http://www.wsoctv.com/news/143 03583/detail.html | ||
Ray Member Username: Ray Post Number: 1024 Registered: 06-2004 |
As far as I am concerned, I'd rather see the Great Lake states leave the United States than rape the ecology by pumping water to the Southwest. | ||
Warrenite84 Member Username: Warrenite84 Post Number: 151 Registered: 01-2007 |
I believe our lake levels are dropping due to the Army Corps of Engineers dredging too much sediment from the St. Clair River. Bigger boats don't belong in the Great Lakes if they contribute to lower water levels. I hope they re-engineer that river bottom soon. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 258 Registered: 09-2007 |
Well 2 Strong (but gradually weakening) Cold Fronts are headed your way this week (with plenty of moisture and possibly putting us in Detroit in the Moderate Severe Weather area Thursday). So don't worry about receiving rain. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6681 Registered: 02-2004 |
North Carolina will be an instant desert in no time. What could have cause this drought? GLOBAL WARMING or a act of God? What I do know this, North Carolina WILL NOT get our water from the Great Lakes. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1830 Registered: 10-2006 |
All in the Charlotte Observer today: Some areas down to 3 months' supply; sharing may be in forecast http://www.charlotte.com/112/s tory/320791.html "We're way beyond limiting outdoor water use. We're talking about indoor water use," said Jeff Knight, an environmental engineer for the college town of Athens, 60 miles northeast of Atlanta, which is preparing a last-ditch rationing program as its reservoir dries up. http://www.charlotte.com/171/s tory/320743.html At least steps are being taken ahead of time to conserve the water which we do have--people are noticing: http://www.charlotte.com/171/s tory/320704.html | ||
Gazhekwe Member Username: Gazhekwe Post Number: 806 Registered: 08-2007 |
Thank goodness they are finally talking about conservation. They need to do some enforcement, like timed meters on major users. | ||
Peachlaser Member Username: Peachlaser Post Number: 132 Registered: 08-2006 |
Danny says, "What I do know this, North Carolina WILL NOT get our water from the Great Lakes." Wanna bet? There will be convoys of tankers miles long if this gets real serious with National Guard or Federal troops providing protection. | ||
Oakmangirl Member Username: Oakmangirl Post Number: 530 Registered: 08-2007 |
So, if Michigan should pass a law, how would that prevent another GL border state from siphoning water? Wouldn't it have to be a law that was passed in all of the bordering states? or a Federal law? You may already know of this, but a Great Lakes Compact was signed two years ago by involved states; however, it has yet to be codified into law. Not surprisingly, the states can't agree on its content. http://www.usatoday.com/news/n ation/2006-12-10-great-lakes-d ebate_x.htm |
