 
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10563
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:37 am: |    |
How do you claim that on your taxes? |
Upinottawa
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Username: Upinottawa
Post Number: 1002
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:41 am: | |
True fact: Canadians don't have to pay taxes on the homeless they win at Detroit casinos, but they do have to declare them at the border....  |
Smitch
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Username: Smitch
Post Number: 38
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:09 am: | |
Vizion-
The casinos only have to ID you if you "appear" under the age of 25. |
Viziondetroit
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Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1246
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:43 am: | |
^ Hmmmm all the other times I have been I have been carded and I haven't looked underage in some time. |
Cgunn
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Username: Cgunn
Post Number: 126
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:56 am: | |
^^ Didn't you say you haven't been to the casinos in 2-3 years. |
Viziondetroit
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Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1247
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:03 pm: | |
I didn't look look underage then either... |
Cgunn
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Username: Cgunn
Post Number: 128
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:13 pm: | |
Well if you are over the age of 21 then the casino's are breaking any laws.
I have never seen one inside of a casino. I may see some on Monroe St and around Greektown casino.
Gaming Law - 'A person under age 21 shall not be permitted in an area of a casino where gaming is being conducted, except for
a person at least 18 years of age who is an employee of the gaming operation. An employee under the age of 21 shall
not perform any function involved in gambling by the patrons. A person under age 21 shall not be permitted to make a
wager under this act.'
The law doesn't state how the casino has to check if patrons are 21. |
Lilpup
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Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 2978
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:17 pm: | |
Casinos are not required to card everybody and what legal basis do they have to deny homeless entry? Patronage of casinos is arguably one of the primary causes of homelessness in the area. |
Viziondetroit
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Username: Viziondetroit
Post Number: 1248
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:22 pm: | |
^ sounds like you have a study or survey to back that up. Cool.. shoot me the link when you post it :-D |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4189
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:23 pm: | |
quote:Casinos are not required to card everybody and what legal basis do they have to deny homeless entry?
Because nobody goes to a casino to see a bunch of smelly bums is the brutally honest answer, it is not good for business. Casinos are not homeless shelters. If you owned an establishment that served the public, you would feel the same. |
Bobj
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Username: Bobj
Post Number: 2625
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:26 pm: | |
I had a guy at the MGM sit down next to at video poker and ask me for money - he was panhandling me in the casino, he was a bit raggedy and smelly, I think he was homeless.
I don't know how you keep him out, but I cashed out and left. |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4191
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:32 pm: | |
The city needs to pass some ordinances on this if there are none already and enforce them. Tell Levin to put through some earmarks for a couple of shelters in Detroit, he knows how to do it.
Round them up, and take them to the shelter. If later they are found bothering people around the sports venues, casino's and other relevant spots, haul them away and charge them. |
Billk
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Username: Billk
Post Number: 146
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 12:51 pm: | |
Those smelly, passed out people at the casino last weekend were my friends from Royal Oak. Sorry... |
Cgunn
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Username: Cgunn
Post Number: 129
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:10 pm: | |
What do you charge them with? |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4195
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:14 pm: | |
Most likely loitering. As I said, if there are no city ordinances in regard to panhandling or loitering then create them. It worked in NYC, it can work here. |
Cgunn
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Username: Cgunn
Post Number: 130
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:21 pm: | |
Who would pay for this? |
Raggedclaws
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Username: Raggedclaws
Post Number: 79
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:22 pm: | |
I think Bobj just hit the nail on the head. He cashed out & left. The casino lost money.
Is there any other explanation as to why the homeless shouldn't be in the casino ?
Employees at Grand Central Station regularly run off the homeless (lower level where food court, etc is ). It seems to be a retail community project to keep it free of bums, homeless, and whatever.
Good for them. |
Oakmangirl
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Username: Oakmangirl
Post Number: 556
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:26 pm: | |
Nothing like sitting next to someone who's high on crack & smells like total ass in a casino...Someone's lowered there expectations.
My expectations for a casino could not be any lower. Besides I'm too busy trying to figure out how those gamblers toting oxygen tanks don't self-combust with all the smoking that goes on....
Hey, it's a public place; it's not Monaco, suck it up. |
Margaret
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Username: Margaret
Post Number: 234
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:31 pm: | |
LMFAO, Billk! OMG...those friggin Royal Oak types will do it every time. Gawd, Billk, at least give your RO buddies a bath, wouldja? couldja? |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4200
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:35 pm: | |
Casino's should be throwing them out, it is bad for business and they are not paying customers. When you go to Vegas you don't have bums bothering you. Detroit is competing with other markets for tourists and conventions.
If the thugs and the bums are allowed to set the agenda in Detroit then it will continue to fail. |
Margaret
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Username: Margaret
Post Number: 235
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:37 pm: | |
I am with you, Oakmangirl! know what I hate??? having to suffer while sitting next to a guy who's wearing too much of that horrible Man Cologne stuff. know what I'm saying? ewwwwwwww maybe they should ship THEM off to a shelter, eh, PG? those overly cologned guys definitely need to be isolated somehow (and yes that includes women who wear too much perfume, come to think of it!). I mean, they really discourage me from spending $$$$$ at a casino or at a restaurant, or anywhere else for that matter.
I know, I know, back to the topic: I think it WAS the reincarnation of Howard Hughes! you missed your big chance, PG!! that's what you get for wearing those blinders... |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4201
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:42 pm: | |
I hate smelly cologne and perfume too, the casino can ban that too for all I care. I am just saying that I don't blame a business for protecting it's investment.
If I had a store or a restaurant I wouldn't want bums in there bothering my patrons because if I allowed it to go on I wouldn't have a business any more. Throw them out.
You want to help the homeless and take them in? Go ahead, I will be the first one to contribute to your shelter. |
Dougw
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Username: Dougw
Post Number: 1958
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 1:55 pm: | |
I consider myself generally liberal and believe our society should provide basics such as food and shelter to all homeless persons, whether through charities or government programs, and this can be done without having much impact on our economy.
That said, I'm with PG on this, no one has a "right" to be entertained for free inside a casino, a private business. The casinos have every right to get them the fuck out of there if they are bothering other people. Some of the politically correct whining on this thread is ridiculous. |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 3212
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:02 pm: | |
"Hey, it's a public place; it's not Monaco, suck it up."
Umm. No, it isn't a public place. It's a private establishment. |
Diehard
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Username: Diehard
Post Number: 166
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:04 pm: | |
A casino is NOT a public place. It's a private business, and they have the right to deny entrance to anyone if they want. They can kick out a gambler who gets loud and abusive, why not a bum who's bugging the patrons and stinking up the place?
I think panhandling laws have been struck down in court before on a 1st Amendment basis - but that applies to public places. Like the sidewalk outside the casino.
I've also heard from casino workers that they'll tolerate homeless folks who hang out there all day drinking free hot chocolate, as long as they're not causing a scene. |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 134
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:09 pm: | |
panhandling is protected by the first amendment.
sorry guys
and as to someone who said homeless are chased out of grand central station.....they are not. they are chased out at closing time or if they fall asleep, other than that they are allowed to be there like anyone else |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 135
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:11 pm: | |
@ diehard -
then why not kick out blacks or asians, or people with red hair, or short people???????
you cant kick someone out based on their "smell" or "dress" (as long as they have shirt and shoes) |
Diehard
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Username: Diehard
Post Number: 167
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:17 pm: | |
You can kick someone out who's harassing other people. Like that casino worker told me, they'll leave homeless folks alone if they're not bothering anyone. If they kicked people out for being smelly or dressing badly, they'd be out a whole lot of customers. If they kicked out someone for being Asian they'd have a hellacious lawsuit on their hands.
Grand Central Station is a public place. Casinos aren't. |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4207
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:26 pm: | |
Panhandling can be effectively restricted any number of ways within the law that would also pass constitutional muster. Loitering laws and requiring panhandlers to get a permit have been implemented elsewhere and when challenged were modified to meet the requirements of the constitution. |
Lowell
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Username: Lowell
Post Number: 4264
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:29 pm: | |
~If~ the people in the casino ~alleged~ to be homeless are truly homeless [no one has established that, just asserted an opinion], perhaps they are homeless because they lost all their money at the casino.
I would be curious to know the stats on homelessness due to gambling addiction.
I did read that one in five gambling addicts attempt suicide. |