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Username: Mudmarker
Post Number: 30
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:33 pm: |    |
I work at a bar and routinly kick homeless/beggers out. They ask for money, sneak into the back room, and yes most of the time they smell. Now I did let a lady stay in the bar the other day, she looked smewhat respectable, and didn't ask anyone for money. But if I make a habit of that, then what?
A bar is for people with money who can wash themselves and buy things.
A shelter is for people with no money who need to stay warm.
A casino is for suckers. |
Upinottawa
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Username: Upinottawa
Post Number: 1004
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:35 pm: | |
Everyone in a casino smells -- smoking inside casinos is still legal in Michigan. |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 137
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:40 pm: | |
just cant understand why suckers can complain about ANYTHING when they go to a casino......i mean, it's a freakin casino, up there with the bus station in terms of interesting places to hang out. |
Spiritofdetroit
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Username: Spiritofdetroit
Post Number: 666
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:48 pm: | |
i dont think i have ever been to campus martius park without the red security team asking the bums to leave... greektown has every right to get rid of these guys, and they should |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4208
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:50 pm: | |
Fjw718
So any place you don't like should be subject to having bums invade their property? The rights of the paying customers and the owner of the property should be tossed aside because you don't find casinos "interesting?"
I think the opera is boring as hell myself but that doesn't mean that bums should be allowed to panhandle in there. |
Diehard
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Username: Diehard
Post Number: 168
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:52 pm: | |
I was at a bar having some pizza the other day when a crazy lady came up to our table, told us she was pregnant and asked if she could have a slice. We gave her one, and I went over and talked to the bartender about it. Bartender said "that woman's been in here mooching, flashing the guys, telling all kinds of stories and being a problem." Then when I went back to our table, she was smoking a cigarette she bummed from my friend. I took it out of her mouth and said "You're pregnant! You can't be smoking!" She reached for it while I stubbed it out and said "can't I get it to go?"
Not a homeless/casino story, but it was vaguely funny. Bartender says she doesn't think she's pregnant, just a crazy begging flasher woman.
She got kicked out, BTW, and I don't think she'd win if she sued over it. |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 138
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:56 pm: | |
LOL @ "rights" of paying customers.....lol what are those "rights"????? |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4209
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 2:59 pm: | |
The right to not be harassed by people asking for your money. |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 139
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:07 pm: | |
i missed where Thomas Jefferson put that one in.............. |
Detroitbill
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Username: Detroitbill
Post Number: 355
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:17 pm: | |
I agree, I fully realize that the homeless need shelters to stay and some assistance, but you quite simply cannot have them every two feet bothering you for money and holding on to you while your trying to carry on. Two Wednesdays ago in the evening I went for my nightly walk through Greektown to Campus Martius , up Woodward , down Broadway then back through Greektown back home to Lafayette Park. I kept a count going and 18 people asked me for money, several holding onto me. This is a sure way to scare off visitors to the area. I have noticed a sizeable difference lately in the amount of police in Greektown streets clearing it of panhandlers. This is a must or the city will be in big trouble. Again, its not just us, on my work trips to Toronto the amount of panhandlers ( many young kids with dogs) is enormous, they are having some serious problems with their behavior there also.Probably the scariest thing is that when a person approaches you that way you do not know what the intention is, it could be far worse that a request for money so you naturally become cautious. I have even been panhandled by two people in Royal Oak last weekend. Society is changing it seems |
Gnome
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Username: Gnome
Post Number: 239
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:24 pm: | |
I've got a few homeless crackheads up on the corner, Fjw78, give me your address and I let them know you've got a pizza for them. I'm sure they'll be kind enough to take you up on your soft heart offer to afford them all due courtesy.
If you don't want to give me your address, we can all assume you're just trying to get a rise out of folks.
I think it was Tom Jefferson who said, "Put up or shut up". |
Lilpup
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Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 2979
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:25 pm: | |
Yeah, society doesn't look after itself like it used to - people don't matter anymore, it's the dollar that's all powerful now. |
Swingline
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Username: Swingline
Post Number: 930
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:25 pm: | |
Fjw, perhaps you might hone up on public accommodation and civil rights laws in these parts. The "homeless" or the "smelly" or the "dirty" are not protected in any way by any kind of law that shields them from being removed from a private establishment. A casino doesn't need a reason to demand that you leave their premises. It's their place. They get to choose who stays/plays there as long as their choices are not based on race, gender, etc. |
Danny
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Username: Danny
Post Number: 6713
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:25 pm: | |
Gambling sometimes leads to homeless. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10573
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:25 pm: | |
Scuse me sir, I don't mean to offend you but can you help me out with some bus fare.
Take that. You've now been panhandled on the internet. |
Oakmangirl
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Username: Oakmangirl
Post Number: 557
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:27 pm: | |
The rights of the paying customers
Since when do you have to pay to enter a casino? A "customer" isn't paying, but rather gladly throwing money away. Then, getting indignant when someone asks them for the money they end up giving to the house? Go figure. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10575
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:27 pm: | |
My post was for DetroitBill |
Lilpup
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Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 2980
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:31 pm: | |
"Then, getting indignant when someone asks them for the money they end up giving to the house? Go figure"
In many cases there's no such thing as generosity anymore. With some people there's always expectation of a payback. |
Ravine
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Username: Ravine
Post Number: 1491
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:33 pm: | |
Screw all this talk about laws and rights. If a place of business allows vagrants to hang around inside the establishment (or directly outside of the door, for that matter,) I'm going to find someplace else to go.
Call it what you will, and take it or leave it, but that is the deal.
Before anyone starts in about the bus station, I should point out that the bus station is different. People go to the bus station to get on the bus. If there are vagrants hanging around, that shouldn't be a big problem for anybody, unless that anybody, also, was planning on hanging around for a while. |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 140
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:35 pm: | |
Yes, its insane that people will give away their money to look at colors on a computer screen, or cards on a table, but wont give it to the needy. |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 141
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:36 pm: | |
ahahahah, all you gamblers talk a big game, but you will be right back in those casinos come hell or highwater.
Just like the crackheads who feel like crap asking you for money and promise themselves they are getting high for the last time, then they are gonna go get "help"
l-o-f'in-l |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 3214
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:37 pm: | |
Hey, if you want to make sure people continue to not come to Detroit, just go on ahead making sure you preserve the rights of bums/panhandlers/crack heads to pester them while they're trying to enjoy a nice evening out, even INSIDE PRIVATE establishments they are paying money to enjoy. |
Spiritofdetroit
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Username: Spiritofdetroit
Post Number: 667
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:38 pm: | |
hey Fjw, believe it or not panhandling is ILLEGAL in Detroit. Its not enforced, thats for sure, but perhaps you should read up on the laws before demanding constitutional proof |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 142
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:39 pm: | |
lol, do you think the vips in the high roller rooms see any of this? thats all the casinos care about. |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4212
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:47 pm: | |
Actually the presence of bums everywhere reinforces the negative stereotypes that people have of Detroit very well. When visitors to the area are accosted constantly, psychologically the message they get is that the rule of law is not being enforced in that area and that they are "on their own" against not only the bums but more serious offenders.
Given Detroit's infamous reputation on that issue, that is not the impression you want to be conveying if you hope to attract more people into the city. You can call these people shallow, or pussies or whatever you want but the bottom line is that they won't be back so the city loses.
Until Detroit takes the streets back and makes public safety it's #1 priority true revival will never occur. |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 143
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:48 pm: | |
wow, its like everyone has taken a page from rudy's horrible term as NYC mayor |
Lilpup
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Username: Lilpup
Post Number: 2981
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:49 pm: | |
hmm...are people staying away from SF, DC, NYC, Chicago, South Florida, or any other place that has the same problem? No. |
Fjw718
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Username: Fjw718
Post Number: 144
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:52 pm: | |
ugggh, if you really think its the homeless that keeps people away from detroit...... |
Ravine
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Username: Ravine
Post Number: 1493
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:53 pm: | |
Yeah, Johnlodge, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout.
Fjw, you are not correct. The casinos love their VIP high-rollers, but the real life's-blood of the business is the constant influx of the commonfolk who relentlessly insert piles of 25-cent tokens into the slot machines. |
Perfectgentleman
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Username: Perfectgentleman
Post Number: 4214
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 3:54 pm: | |
quote:wow, its like everyone has taken a page from rudy's horrible term as NYC mayor
You call a 67% reduction in crime horrible? What would success be? Detroit? |