  Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4431 Registered: 10-2004 |
The city of Detroit would rejoice if there were any traffic. About the safest places downtown are smack in the middle of its streets. | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1590 Registered: 11-2003 |
Lakeside and the area around it is getting a $3 million makeover. City of Sterling Heights is being proactive with trying to fix up the area around it and a majority of the businesses around Lakeside voted to tax themselves to pay for it. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 1662 Registered: 03-2006 |
patrick are you a big red or a dakota cougar? | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4433 Registered: 10-2004 |
A UW-Madison study pegged Detroit's illiteracy of its blacks at 48% somewhere around 1995. Since then, there has been massive flight from the city. The reporters or feature writers of Detroit's dailies have used the 60 to 70% illiteracy estimate since the late 1990s, BTW. Try searching it. | ||
Patrick Member Username: Patrick Post Number: 5075 Registered: 10-2003 |
A Patriot lol...from a Warren HS. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1953 Registered: 04-2006 |
A UW-Madison study pegged Detroit's illiteracy of its blacks at 48% somewhere around 1995. Since then, there has been massive flight from the city. The reporters or feature writers of Detroit's dailies have used the 60 to 70% illiteracy estimate since the late 1990s, BTW. Try searching it. Hmm. I have searched Google and the UW-Madison's website for nearly 10 minutes and found no mention of any such study. I then spent an additional 5 minutes on the University of Michigan's site for good measure and still found nothing regarding a study done. | ||
Udmphikapbob Member Username: Udmphikapbob Post Number: 488 Registered: 07-2004 |
I was going to guess a fellow HFII Falcon! | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4435 Registered: 10-2004 |
I just Googled "detroit black illiteracy" and came up with this on the sixth hit: quote: Another hit on the second page of ten hits had this quote: Changing the Google key to "Detroit illiteracy study" easily produced this from 1998 or earlier. quote: You do know how to web search, don't you? | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1954 Registered: 04-2006 |
You do know how to web search, don't you? I do. Do you know how to read? I said I haven't seen information on a study being done. I have seen the number(s) plenty of times before. Just like I had seen the (false) claims that there were more black men in prison than college many times before. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4436 Registered: 10-2004 |
I somehow believe that you really don't want to know or be reminded about that factoid. Still, it won't go away because of your ostrich-like attitude toward it... The ubiquitous 47% figure refers back to the same "The State of Literacy in America" study performed some time around 1995 to 1998. One of those three above attributed it to an NIL study. Still, I believed that I came across something from the UW-Madison from that same time. Perhaps, that was the same as the NIL survey. Or maybe, that particular study might have been done by some prof there at my alma mater. In any event, you now have the information that you said was nonexistent. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 3510 Registered: 10-2003 |
Okay, so 47% of residents of the City of Detroit are functionally illiterate. Instead of fixing the problem, just ignore it, hope it goes away, and throw more money at the never-ending sprawl machine. Is that right? | ||
Bob Member Username: Bob Post Number: 1591 Registered: 11-2003 |
We can argue about the studies and exact numbers, but almost anyone would agree there is a literacy problem in the city, and it is something that is holding the city back. | ||
Umcs Member Username: Umcs Post Number: 270 Registered: 06-2007 |
I think that proponents of this figure need to dig a little deeper. The state of Michigan was not analyzed in the original and subsequent studies. Nor was the city of Detroit. The original sample size was a little over 19,000 people. It also factored in prison inmates. I question the source of this 47% figure because there is no publication other than an obscure quote by a blog to Newsweek on this figure. Hypothetically, you could derive this figure by taking the data compiled in the original study and extrapolate it across the population in Detroit but boy, that makes some serious assumptions. I don't buy it. As for practical illiteracy, I see it all the time in Detroit. Most often, it's nice older people who didn't have to learn to read and did not attend a public school system. This is only my anecdotal evidence though. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1955 Registered: 04-2006 |
I did find this: 47% of metro Detroiters are reportedly functional illiterate. From the Detroit Literacy Coalition's web site: http://detlitcoal.org/statemen t.htm | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 3511 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Chances are, more than a few of them post on these forums. | ||
Umcs Member Username: Umcs Post Number: 273 Registered: 06-2007 |
lheartted, I know the 47% figure has been cited in blogs, Newsweek, etc., but no one can point out how that figure was arrived at yet. I looked at the '92 study and nowhere does it mention Detroit or Michigan. This causes me concern because it obviously has to be an extrapolation of either other populations onto Detroit or it might possibly come from the original data set. However, I couldn't get the original data sets to work since I don't have the right software. Anyone else care to get the original data set to examine it? | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 5233 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hmmmmmmmmm..... from that study we can see that its not Detroiters' who are illiterate but PG himeself... | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4167 Registered: 03-2006 |
quote: I am illiterate yet you cannot even avoid making a spelling error while calling ME illiterate? | ||
Dds Member Username: Dds Post Number: 415 Registered: 10-2006 |
Actually, two. Edit- No, correction, three. Two punctuation, one spelling. (Message edited by dds on October 22, 2007) | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4168 Registered: 03-2006 |
Good catch Dds, not to mention he is directing his comment to the wrong person. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1956 Registered: 04-2006 |
I know the 47% figure has been cited in blogs, Newsweek, etc., but no one can point out how that figure was arrived at yet. I looked at the '92 study and nowhere does it mention Detroit or Michigan. This causes me concern because it obviously has to be an extrapolation of either other populations onto Detroit or it might possibly come from the original data set. I know. I was just pointing out an interpretation (with slightly more credibility than someone's blog) attributing the figure to metro Detroit instead of just Detroit proper. | ||
Carm Member Username: Carm Post Number: 64 Registered: 01-2007 |
Just curious, but what does the percentage of functional illiterate metro Detroiters have to do with a new mall in Clinton Township and what people think of it? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 3207 Registered: 10-2003 |
Because if they go out malling, it's all good. But if they go out MAULING, well, then that's a problem. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2488 Registered: 06-2006 |
"Well, the laws of economics don't recognize the limitations of Eight Mile Road. There's a reason that all of Southeast Michigan--and the State, for that matter--are in the shitter." Yeah, Michigan's economy is in the low part of the cycle, and when it rebounds, you'll just say that it's not doing as good as it would be doing if we adn't built a mall in Clinton Township... It's perfect...you can't lose the argument... | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 3512 Registered: 10-2003 |
The State is still spending $10 billion a year to build sprawl. Of COURSE the economy is never going to do as well as it could if it were concentrating on sustainable communities. None of the money spent at this new Piece of Shit is "new" money. It's merely displaced from somewhere else in the economy. Only difference is, the taxpayers are stuck with the tab for the infrastructure to service this hellhole. You still don't get it. Michigan is playing a zero-sum game. (Message edited by DaninDC on October 22, 2007) | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2489 Registered: 06-2006 |
^Then you admit that sprawl isn't the reason the state's economy is in the shitter...it's just of factor that contributes to whatever economic conditions we happen to have at any moment... That's a far cry from you insinuating that sprawl is the reason the state is in the shitter... | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 478 Registered: 02-2006 |
Anyone who knows anything about studies is that the results have a lot to do with who pays for the research. For example lets say the D.P.S. wants a study done on how many 2007 H.S. graduates are going to college. They might just have the company (probably owned by a relative of the school board) go to Cass Tech and Renaissance instead of Finney and Denby. I know it's an extreme example but results can be fixed. Like the recent study by Social Compact Inc. that found over 930,000 people in Detroit with an average household income of $47,000 ish. Ya right. Who was that commissioned by? The Detroit Economic Growth Corp. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 3513 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: No. Please learn to read. Michigan is spending $10 billion a year to subsidize sprawl. That is money that could otherwise: 1. Balance the budget 2. Cut taxes 3. Fix existing infrastructure It's hard to justify this kind of reckless, out-of-control spending when it produces negative rates of return in the form of decimated cities, and ever-more infrastructure to maintain. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4171 Registered: 03-2006 |
So you are saying that if the mall wasn't built Detroit would somehow benefit? No, the developers would go elsewhere, perhaps out of state. Would that be better? There would never be a tax cut with Granholm in office BTW. | ||
Civilprotectionunit4346 Member Username: Civilprotectionunit4346 Post Number: 569 Registered: 06-2007 |
This state's going to be in the shitter for a long time...If they can't balance the stupid fucking budget & try to bring some kind of growth to the job market, and i'm not talking about these little crap jobs that pop up here and there. The state can't even keep 4 out of 5 college students who graduate from there schools here. I can't blame them...why should you stay if there is no job market here for your degree. Ive said it before the downtown revitalizaion is great & all but I think that it's not gonna last. As many more people get fed up with the path this state is going on...your going to see a decline in the population again & the economy take a nose dive. And speaking of the economy..the economy for the whole country is doing terrible. I don't mean to sound so negative about the state & city of detroit, I just see things for how they are. Some people just want to be all postive & can't come to grip with the majority of the reality of some situations...they want to hold onto something so dearly they force themselves & others around them to believe the same. Feb/March to me seems like it's going to be when I probably will move outta here...I need a more financial stable job, a job that will pay me for my skills. I have been to alot of places in the US & the world..and let me saw...most of the world is brutal & cruel & dark... |
