  French777 Member Username: French777 Post Number: 254 Registered: 10-2006 |
If Michigan was turn I-96 or I-94 into a toll road and charge 25cents at each booth and if one took the entire route they would pay 2 dollars would you support that?? | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 256 Registered: 08-2007 |
no | ||
Aiw Member Username: Aiw Post Number: 6421 Registered: 10-2003 |
How about a Troll Road? | ||
Ramcharger Member Username: Ramcharger Post Number: 480 Registered: 05-2006 |
! Toll roads are for states with a lot of out of state traffic. | ||
Hpgrmln Member Username: Hpgrmln Post Number: 245 Registered: 06-2007 |
With Governor Grannys taxation, Im surprised it hasn't happened already. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 916 Registered: 11-2003 |
You mean the guys standing on the side of highways with a paper cup aren't collecting for a toll road? | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10598 Registered: 10-2003 |
Absolutely. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1995 Registered: 04-2006 |
How about they turn I-75 into a toll road to pay for that widening? | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 6203 Registered: 11-2004 |
No one WANTS a toll road but if it meant some guarantees as to the quickness of the road, a decent road surface that didn't fall apart every few years, ease of use and other amenities... I'd think I'd consider it. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 6204 Registered: 11-2004 |
I thought we had a toll road already in that span we all call the Ambassador Bridge... GRRRR! | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 919 Registered: 11-2003 |
I wouldn't mind a toll road at the end of the Belle Isle bridge. | ||
Winstin_o_boogie_iii Member Username: Winstin_o_boogie_iii Post Number: 98 Registered: 02-2007 |
There's no way I would be in favor of another tax | ||
1953 Member Username: 1953 Post Number: 1476 Registered: 12-2004 |
No thanks. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2528 Registered: 06-2006 |
Toll roads gnerally exist where there's a lot of through traffic by people who are not residents of the state... Ohio is the classic example...all kinds of people drive through Ohio just to get form point A to point B, and it's only fair that the state ask those motorists who they can't otherwise tax to help pay for the costs of the road.... A toll road in Michigan would make far less sense for obvious reasons | ||
The_ed Member Username: The_ed Post Number: 348 Registered: 10-2007 |
don't need it | ||
Rooms222 Member Username: Rooms222 Post Number: 64 Registered: 04-2005 |
I would support a toll road to facilitate new construction to ease congestion in exurb areas, such as M-5 extension north of Pontiac Trail or a new free way from Howell across northern Oakland and Macomb counties (parallel to M-59). | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1864 Registered: 10-2006 |
Let's tax those leaving the city and entering the suburbs along each freeway! | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 360 Registered: 12-2006 |
Michigan gets more non-resident traffic than you think. Don't forget that Going through Michigan is the fastest and cheapest route for truck traffic involved in NAFTA type business between the US, Canada, and Mexico. MDOT traffic analysis has shown that since NAFTA began commercial truck volumes along I-75, I-94 and I-69 have skyrocketed | ||
That_gurl_kat Member Username: That_gurl_kat Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2007 |
No thank you to the toll road. (But I'd definitely pay to use a troll road). | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 883 Registered: 12-2006 |
This whole argument is moot if you're talking about existing interstate highways. The Federal Highway Administration does not allow a state, under any circumstance, to begin charging tolls on what had been a free interstate highway. If you want a toll road you can build a new one and charge a toll. Good luck; let me know how that works out for you. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2840 Registered: 10-2003 |
No, Turning an interstate into a toll road would cost the state a small fortune. The interstates were built with matching federal money. That money came with a string attached. The state received more money in the form of a federal match if the road was a freeway. That extra federal match would have to be paid back if the road was now converted to a toll road. The money gained by turning it into a toll road would be greatly reduced due to the required give back. The rules have been changed recently. If you significantly upgrade a freeway it can be turned into a toll road. Since both I-75 and I-94 in most places through the state are perfectly adequate for the volume of traffic they see, they don't need that significant of an upgrade. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 1870 Registered: 10-2006 |
"This whole argument is moot" So are about half of the threads on this forum, but that doesn't stop us from discussing how things could be different. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10599 Registered: 10-2003 |
Now that NDavies has cleared up the facts how about a new topic. Who would like to see a lane of some major freeways turned into a HOV lane. I would. | ||
Publicmsu Member Username: Publicmsu Post Number: 704 Registered: 11-2003 |
If said toll road has no posted speed limit, I'm all in! | ||
Cgunn Member Username: Cgunn Post Number: 142 Registered: 01-2004 |
NO | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2842 Registered: 10-2003 |
No, No HOV lanes. They do not increase the throughput. They actually reduce it. They don't increase the propensity of people willing to car pool. Studies suggest that they actually increase congestion. http://paleale.eecs.berkeley.e du/~varaiya/papers_ps.dir/HOV. pdf | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 1996 Registered: 04-2006 |
Wasn't I-94 through parts of the city built before it was designated an interstate. Wouldn't this be eligible for toll roads (ala I-95/the NJ turnpike)? I-94 gets a lot of traffic going to the bridge and tunnel from out of state... Also, since the Lodge is not an interstate, it would be eligible. It's also one of the most congested freeways in the city (and probably the metro)... | ||
Aarne_frobom Member Username: Aarne_frobom Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2005 |
Since the highway bill of 1997 there have been several FHWA programs under which free federal-aid highways may be converted to toll roads. (Conversion of freeways to toll roads following repayment of federal aid is an urban legend that has never been permissible, although a bill is in the US House to permit it.) Non-freeways may be reconstructed as new toll freeways. Up to three states will be permitted to convert free Interstate freeways to toll roads as a means of financing reconstruction. The most intriguing program is FHWA's Congestion Pricing program, which permits tolls to be charged if they are used to reduce congestion. Under this program, express lanes might be added to a freeway with tolls that rise with traffic volume. Access to the lanes might be free or with a minimal toll, until volume rises to the point where congestion begins. Then, automated devices would increase the toll at intervals of 5 minutes or so, so that the express lanes never become congested. The toll would be announced by a changeable sign at the point where drivers decide whether to enter the tolled lanes. Tolls would be collected entirely by electronic means - no guys with their hands out. This system was recently installed on ten miles of I-394 west of Minneapolis. The toll rises to about $2.50 for the ten-mile trip on most afternoons, hitting $3.50 or $4.00 during unusual events. In effect, users set the tolls themselves at whatever it is worth to them to save time. The toll lanes replaced an underutilized carpool lane, so travel in the adjacent free lanes is improved as well. Most commuters report using the toll lane about two days a week, as dictated by their schedules and congestion in the free lanes. What do we think of this idea? | ||
Focusonthed Member Username: Focusonthed Post Number: 1403 Registered: 02-2006 |
Toll lanes could be useful on, say, I-75 from 7 Mile or so, through to the straightaway after 12 Mile. You want to skip the gridlock around the curve and the 696 interchange? Pay a toll. | ||
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge Post Number: 288 Registered: 08-2006 |
Michigan prides itself on its free roads and expressways. No way in hell would I pay a toll out here... what are we, New Jersey? I don't think so. |
