  Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4230 Registered: 03-2006 |
FYI - I am not priveledged now nor have I ever been. I worked my ass off for everything I have. I also know what it is like to be broke. Go peddle your nonsense somewhere else Stylin. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 5244 Registered: 10-2003 |
"Woo woo woo" PG... | ||
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man Post Number: 1014 Registered: 11-2003 |
I thought I would chime in, though it seems a bit late. I would like to apologize to the person who started this post, as we strive to provide people with the best environment that we can to allow them to have fun and gamble comfortably. I was in the casino both Fri and Sat nights and did not see any homeless. I was not there Sunday. We do have "bums" and "panhandlers" who frequent the casino. The problem with letting them in is that they all have ID's, and not everyone that stinks is homeless. Now, if they are panhandling or bothering folks in the casino, we have every right, and exercise that right to remove them from the casino.....on a very regular basis. Then they go and beg people at valet or the garage, or just Monroe St. in general. We, and the rest of the merchants on Monroe, have tried to make it difficult for them to stay here, but we receive zero help from the DPD, despite our constant pleas. | ||
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man Post Number: 1015 Registered: 11-2003 |
JT1, as to your question, it was originally thought (by the State Police) that they could use our logs from our ID machines to catch banned persons. This was never done on constitutional grounds or something like that. If a banned patron wins a jackpot or starts playing with their player card, we get an alert and we tell them to go home. Also, we have no obligation to card everyone coming in the door. We do have an obligation to keep underage people from gaming. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 2988 Registered: 06-2004 |
DPD has more pressing matters. | ||
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge Post Number: 274 Registered: 05-2006 |
Then stay in Novi! | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4257 Registered: 03-2006 |
I don't live in Novi, but whatever. If you think allowing bums to rule the streets is the road to prosperity then go ahead with that. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 3222 Registered: 10-2003 |
Gambling_man obviously has an actual interest in the situation, and you can see what his feelings are. The merchants in the area obviously feel it's a problem if they've been vocal about it. I don't know what greater authority you need on the issue of whether allowing rampant panhandling/harassment bothers business owners. | ||
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge Post Number: 278 Registered: 05-2006 |
I don't think it is a road to prosperity, I just realize that it is a reality. Tell me one major (or even smaller) city in the United States that doesn't have a problem with the homeless? People who have lived in urban areas realize this and shrug it off as opposed to suburbanites who come to the city once a year if that. This is a SYSTEMIC problem. These people exist and your bitching is not going to change that. So what would you do with these people? Shove them off to Toledo? Don't you think that there isn't some jerk in Toledo saying that they should shove their homeless off to Detroit? What good does it do to move them? Maybe you would suggest the "baseball bat" solution? http://www.createpeaceathome.o rg/streetspirit/2006/march2006 /epidemichatecrimes.htm Your attitude shows that you live in an ivory tower and you have no concept of the issues facing urban areas. Maybe you should go to noviyes.com and post there. | ||
Fjw718 Member Username: Fjw718 Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2005 |
PG is one of those "young professionals" that populate the ultralounges on the weekends wearing the shiny shirts.....i understand. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4264 Registered: 03-2006 |
Nainrouge - I guess if this problem is so widespread and is present in all urban areas then I guess big cities are all dismal failures. Of course you fail to note that Toronto and other cities have other things going for them that Detroit lacks which keeps people in the city. quote: Not surprisingly, you are 100% incorrect. | ||
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge Post Number: 279 Registered: 05-2006 |
Toronto is in Canada. That a different country in case you didn't notice. Toronto also has a homelessness problem. http://www.toronto.ca/homeless ness/pdf/reportcard2003.pdf | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4269 Registered: 03-2006 |
quote: Duh, Really? Who said it wasn't? How does that matter given my statement? It has other things going for it that Detroit does not. There are also suburbs there too. Ever hear of Mississauga? It has grown enormously yet Toronto still does well. That said, the merchants and tourists in there have also complained about the homeless problem. (Message edited by perfectgentleman on October 24, 2007) | ||
Fjw718 Member Username: Fjw718 Post Number: 149 Registered: 11-2005 |
oh, and pg, this speech right here sums up Rudy and his fascist, un-american views http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f ullpage.html?res=9A01E2D9173CF 933A15750C0A962958260 | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4272 Registered: 03-2006 |
Ah, the fascist card. The last refuge of someone who is losing an argument. | ||
Raggedclaws Member Username: Raggedclaws Post Number: 80 Registered: 08-2006 |
So Nainrouge, let's put this into the context of Vizion's orginal post: You walk into a casino to gamble and you are confronted with the sight of seemingly homeless people milling about or resting or whatever. Let's assume that they are in fact homeless as opposed to fashion-challanged. Do you start to cry in empathy ? Do you chat them all up to determine how they came to be homeless ? Do you brainstorm with them to find a solution to homelessness ? Do you run out to buy them all sandwiches ? How do you translate that righteous understanding of the homeless plight into real terms. WWND ? What would Nainrouge do ? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 3226 Registered: 10-2003 |
That speech is not facist, nor is it un-American. It is about the problems that arise when people are fearful or resentful of authority, instead of realizing that our laws are what make us a stable society. "No Snitching" is a fine example of such a problem, keeping murderers on the street rather than helping law enforcement catch them. //threadjack | ||
Detx Member Username: Detx Post Number: 34 Registered: 07-2007 |
My two cents: Homeless people need to be treated with the dignity that they as humans deserve. I try to help them out as much as I can. But I do so with discretion. If I’m approached aggressively, approached by alcoholics or drug addicts, or get the opinion that I’m being sized up to be taken advantage of, than I simply will not give or help out. I will very rarely help a homeless person who approaches me in any sort of entertainment venue. I also deserve dignity and respect, and a line is crossed when this happens. Furthermore, I, as a consumer, will not give a single dollar to any entertainment type business that allows or encourages homeless people to loiter on their property. And for all of you who claim that homelessness is a “major problem” in every American city I can tell you that is a huge overstatement. Homelessness is a massive problem in Detroit. I’ve spent considerable time living in many American cities which are much larger than Detroit. As far as homelessness goes, Detroit has to be leading the nation. Never in all of my travels have I seen so many homeless people. I feel embarrassed for some of you posters who are insulting PG and others personally. You all are coming off as being very ignorant, and are in fact judging PG with the very disdain you claim he has for homeless people. | ||
Gambling_man Member Username: Gambling_man Post Number: 1017 Registered: 11-2003 |
Detx, you have obviously never been to San Francisco.........10 times worse than I have ever had it here. And I live here. | ||
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge Post Number: 280 Registered: 05-2006 |
PG, I said that homelessness is a SYSTEMIC problem. Canada has a different government SYSTEM, educational SYSTEM, welfare SYSTEM, etc. How does comparing Detroit to Toronto help unless you recommend that we adopt Canada's system of government and programs? Detroit problem with homelessness is worse than Monaco's too - who cares? Quote: As far as homelessness goes, Detroit has to be leading the nation. Statistics please! So based on your personal observations, you KNOW that Detroit has the worst problem in the nation? Actually, LA has the worst problem and here are the STATISTICS to back that up: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20 071012/wl_afp/ussocietyhomeles s_071012050202 Raggedclaws - Actually, I would talk to them, ask them how they are doing and basically treat them like the human beings that they are. I would be interested in their stories of how they became homeless if they wanted to share that with me (most don't). If you knew me, you would know that. I suggest that you volunteer for a shelter or a soup kitchen and see things as they are. Do you consider yourself Christian, since you are playing on the phrase What Would Jesus Do? So, what DO you think Jesus would do? Kick their stinky asses out on the street? If that is what you think, I think you should go back and reread some passages! | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 5255 Registered: 10-2003 |
Waitin on PG's response with stats to back up his claim..... | ||
Hpgrmln Member Username: Hpgrmln Post Number: 239 Registered: 06-2007 |
Many of the homeless I've encountered were either alcoholic or mentally-impaired.Many were so set in their ways that you could not help them. You could attempt to house them somewhere, but they would just leave and go back to the street, rummaging for enough change to buy alcohol. After the mental hospitals closed, a lot of these guys went off into the streets. They have adapted well-enough at fending for themselves that they do not accept help, they'd rather take care of things themselves. My point? You can talk all you want about helping the homeless, but nothing will get accomplished if you aren't equipped to deal with the different aspects of it, or they aren't willing to help themselves. And enough about Novi. They have homeless. One of the best examples in fact. I worked on Novi Rd a few years back. I used to frequently see this curly-haired, scruffy looking guy walking around. Later on, a cop told me he was familiar with him. Apparently, he's an alcoholic and had been on the streets, living in a drainage ditch, for 15 years.His family couldn't do anything for him because he refused their help. Ultimately, his choices put him in his predicament and he refused to change anything or accept outside help. It's not so easy helping the homeless. They have to agree to it. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 481 Registered: 07-2007 |
boo yah | ||
Raggedclaws Member Username: Raggedclaws Post Number: 81 Registered: 08-2006 |
Thanks for your suggestions, Nainrouge. I've been volunteering at a local soup kitchen for years and have a firm grasp on how things "are". I too am interested in speaking with the homeless. Just not at a casino. So just to clarify...you are in the middle of gambling, no doubt holding a plastic cup filled with chips, and moving from homeless person to homeless person, meeting & greeting ? I call bullshit, Nainrouge. | ||
Raggedclaws Member Username: Raggedclaws Post Number: 82 Registered: 08-2006 |
Thanks for the suggestions, Nainrouge. I've been volunteering at a local soup kitchen for years. I'm fairly familiar with the way things "are". Like you, I am interested in speaking with homeless. Just not at a casino. So let me clarify this...are we to understand that you, while at the local casino gambling, no doubt a plastic cup with chips in hand and at the ready, you are moving from homeless person to homeless person, doing a little meet & greet ? Really ? I call bullshit, Nainrouge. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4305 Registered: 03-2006 |
quote: Stylin, Nainrouge, once again you are getting mixed up. I made no claims that requires stats. It was not I who claimed that homelessness was worse in Detroit than anywhere else. | ||
Miketoronto Member Username: Miketoronto Post Number: 702 Registered: 07-2004 |
Is the homeless really that big of an issue in Detroit. I have been in downtown Detroit tons of times, and only once did we have a homeless guy follow us for change and not let up till we told him to go. Otherwise I have never really seen much homeless in downtown Detroit. And i have been downtown day, evening, midnight, etc. It just did not ring is as a major problem to me, seeing how little there are. | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 5263 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Ok I stand corrected I knew I saw it here. DetX care to post some stats to bolster your claim? | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 502 Registered: 07-2007 |
homeless, i thought that the liberals took care of them already | ||
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge Post Number: 281 Registered: 05-2006 |
In the few times that I have been at the casino, I have not encountered any homeless people. However, yes, I would talk to them and treat them decently if I had. I am sorry for you that that idea is so foreign to you that you think that anyone claiming that they would do that has to be lying. Which soup kitchen do you volunteer at? My turn to call bullshit. Do you actually talk to anyone? Shake their hand? |
