  Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10649 Registered: 10-2003 |
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20071101/NEW S06/71101045/1001/NEWS quote: Is sure must be easy to criticize everything when you aren't held accountable to offer solutions. It is always easier to criticize and fight when you do not have to offer up anything else. Good thing he could rally up some landscapers. | ||
Buzzman0077 Member Username: Buzzman0077 Post Number: 134 Registered: 11-2006 |
Screw LBP, I hope he finds a nice cozy place in hell to stay warm. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4704 Registered: 03-2006 |
There is a thread on this already. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10654 Registered: 10-2003 |
Completely missed it. My bad. | ||
Monahan568 Member Username: Monahan568 Post Number: 243 Registered: 04-2004 |
LBP has offered solutions | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10656 Registered: 10-2003 |
What are his solutions that will balance the budget or reduce it while still offering critical services. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4511 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote:Perhaps, somebody should have studied civics a bit better... Patterson is County Executive of the wealthiest county in Michigan. He's not a legislator. Therefore, it's not his responsibility to legislate tax rules and regulations. His major responsibility is to operate the county functions in Oakland County in a sane fiscal manner. | ||
Monahan568 Member Username: Monahan568 Post Number: 244 Registered: 04-2004 |
LBP suggested that we privatize gov't services such as health care, and the jails | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10657 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: I understand the roles but you obviously missed my point that it is easy to fight everything when you don't have to find the solutions. Perhaps somebody should be more pompous. quote: Again it puts him in an easy role of fighting without offering any solutions. Monahan - I am all for privatizing jails. I would like to see some substance behind his claim to privatize health care given the outstanding obligations by the state, counties and cities. (Message edited by jt1 on November 01, 2007) | ||
Buzzman0077 Member Username: Buzzman0077 Post Number: 136 Registered: 11-2006 |
Yes, L Brooks has done a wonderful job of raping the city of it's wealthy, while taking advantage of the institutions that are in, and supported by, Detroit. He is a criminal for the damage he has done to the region as a whole. Not to mention the wasteful destruction of land within his own county for the creation of miles of McMansions and parking lots, without any real plan for the infrastructure needed to move that volume of car dependent persons around and out of the county. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10658 Registered: 10-2003 |
Buzzman - Counties and cities in Michigan should operate in a vacuum. We see how much it has done for this state so we should continue doing the same thing. | ||
Alan55 Member Username: Alan55 Post Number: 700 Registered: 09-2005 |
Let's privatize the Oakland County Executive - Penske could do it better, cheaper, and with one-twentieth the bellowing theatrics. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 437 Registered: 11-2003 |
Looks like the Senate is picking this up - they already passed a bill moving implementation to Dec. 20 from Dec. 1. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20071101/NEW S06/71101069 | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10663 Registered: 10-2003 |
So we are pretty much back to Oct.1 with no real cuts and no changes in revenue. I believe that we must have the most incompetent legislators in the world. | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 448 Registered: 04-2006 |
What makes anyone think that "Oakland County" is going to be around forever. I bet if you asked a person in Detroit in the 1920s if they thought "Detroit" was going to be around forever, they would have laughed at you for asking such a silly question. The people moved on from Detroit and they're STILL moving on...only from Oakland County. LBP, to me, is a double-edged sword. On the positive, he is a great leader who focuses on what he wants. On the other hand, he has done a poor job at retaining and growing his county for the long term. Short term success and vision is just going to lead to the "Detroitizing" of Oakland. I don't think the plague treats 8 Mile the way that our pea brains do. In fact, when it reaches the lower density short-term comfort zones, it's only going to be twice as detrimental. So far, LBP's legacy that has impacted me most is the comment, "I REPRESENT SPRAWL!" Happy to say, there's still time to reverse that image, but all intentions do not lead in that direction, sadly. Therefore, he is NOT just the Exec. of Oakland County, he's an executive for the region as well. Just like when "the mayor" comes on TV in this region, it's Detroit's mayor...our mayor. The decisions of LBP affect us more than I think we realize sometimes. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4513 Registered: 10-2004 |
Why is it that those with conveniently short (or no) memories are constantly trying to drag Patterson down? Patterson's Automation Alley has a much greater effect on the region than anything that Detroit has brought to the table lately. And stow that constant shrill cry of the New Urbanists--SPRAWL. Oakland County is hardly sprawl. Where else should Oakland County's people live if they choose not to live in a dump like Detroit? | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 449 Registered: 04-2006 |
What makes Detroit a dump that would be so unlivable if they DID choose to live there? No one's contesting the positives LBP has churned for the region. But, I bet you would be hard pressed to get any agreement that Detroit's regional positive effects (like Oakland's Automation Alley) would be thought of as "regional assets" by the majority of those living outside of Detroit. Even though they ARE regional assets, they aren't thought of as such because they are in that "dump" you speak of in Detroit, which to them, was written off long ago. The Riverfront The Book Cadillac Belle Isle Wayne State Cultural Center Sports Aerotropolis Heavy industry - where all of Oakland County's potential poor people live, eat and sleep to the belches of non-Oakland pollution There's lots of things Detroit's brought to the table. One day it even brought Oakland County its people...including L. Brooks Patterson. What did it get in return? An apple pie- substituted-with-shit right in the face.  So, I guess the "dump" metaphor works if you look at it that way. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 576 Registered: 07-2007 |
Rocket, What are you really saying? I'm confused. | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 450 Registered: 04-2006 |
I'm sorry. I'm just saying that Detroit, the so-called dump, has brought more to the table than most people think...a lot if it in the form of sacrifice. Probably the most evident of that sacrifice being its people. In this region, whoever gains is at someone else's loss. That principle, to me, is at the core of LBP's role in this region. He's representing a populous that, according to history, is temporary. Yah, that's far fetched and can be said tongue-in-cheek, but to me explains that Detroit and its surroundings are not much different than so many people think. So, if Detroit's a dump, what does that make its surroundings? I'm a bit off topic, so for that I apologize. | ||
Yvette248 Member Username: Yvette248 Post Number: 1016 Registered: 10-2006 |
You don't need an alternative if you're a repub Jt. All you need is a catchy slogan and a soundbyte. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4517 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote:Apparently, you're offering your own alternative... Is a soundbyte something to do with computerized audio or is it just a misspelling? quote: And is a populous some kind of pizzeria--like Pizza (Message edited by LivernoisYard on November 02, 2007) | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4710 Registered: 03-2006 |
The solution is obvious, the budget was increased by about the same amount the service tax would raise. Roll back the spending increases and repeal the tax and replace it with nothing. | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 1110 Registered: 04-2005 |
hey, i've got a solution: right-to-work state! granholm tried to stave off the inevitable with one-time budgetary tricks, while manufacturing jobs left the state and plants were being built all throughout the south. she's owned by the unions, and she values power and political influence over the good of the state. the uaw has gotten the message; when will granholm? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6754 Registered: 02-2004 |
LBP, This state is on a major budget crunch so DEAL WITH IT! | ||
Umcs Member Username: Umcs Post Number: 363 Registered: 06-2007 |
There are so many ironies in this "piece" from the Free Press. LBP working hand-in-hand with our fine, upstanding, immigration law abiding landscape companies... I'm not saying the underlying service tax is a good idea but this is a joke. | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 451 Registered: 04-2006 |
No, LY a populous is something more like a McDonald's, not a pizza joint. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2588 Registered: 06-2006 |
"So far, LBP's legacy that has impacted me most is the comment, "I REPRESENT SPRAWL!"" that was former Speaker of the House Craig DeRoche (R-Novi) who said that, not Patterson. | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10668 Registered: 10-2003 |
Patterson has also made similar comments. I believe it was his 2005 state of the county speech that was praising sprawl and saying how wonderful it is. I can try to find it later. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1576 Registered: 07-2004 |
"Where do I start to rebut this idiot?" queried Patterson. "Sprawl is not bad. It's in the eye of the beholder: If you have it, you call it economic development. If you don't have it, you whine and call it sprawl." | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2590 Registered: 06-2006 |
"Patterson has also made similar comments. I believe it was his 2005 state of the county speech that was praising sprawl and saying how wonderful it is. " I'm sure he did. But credit for the actual quote that RC posted goes to Craig DeRoche (R-Novi) | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1578 Registered: 07-2004 |
I *thought* you worked for DeRoche ... ;) | ||
Swingline Member Username: Swingline Post Number: 937 Registered: 11-2003 |
quote:Yeah, no problem finding $1 billlion of fat in state government. Those Dems just want to preserve do-nothing jobs for state employees and let rich business owners pay for it all. I know that it's hard for LBP and the no-tax gang to actually identify specific programs to cut, but let me give em someplace to start. First, lets close EMU, Lake Superior and Ferris State. These are lower tier universities that don't produce outstanding graduates. We can survive without them. Then, we can close four or five penitentiaries. Just enough to get our incarceration rate down to that of our peer states. Those prisoners that get released due to these closings will likely all return to Detroit, (right?) so there won't be much of a community impact on other parts of the state. Then, I was thinking that we could reduce Medicaid by eliminating the largest single group of recipients that milk the system. You know the welfare queens I mean. The largest and most expensive category of recipient is those old folks who successfully transfer their middle class assets to their children a few years before they require skilled nursing care, and who then enter nursing homes on the state dole. Then I thought, hey, I know a lot of families whose grandma or grandpa would be screwed if we made this budget cut. How fair would that be? So I've changed my mind and now I think that it would be better to cut day care subsidies for those low-income folks. They shouldn't have had kids if they can't afford day care. See, it was easy to cut $1 billion. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2593 Registered: 06-2006 |
"I *thought* you worked for DeRoche... " Unlikely. I'm not a Republican. | ||
Citylover Member Username: Citylover Post Number: 2719 Registered: 07-2004 |
Granholm and the whole lot of them are huge failures. It is way past time to go back to a part time legislature. As for this thread; more tired shit about Patterson. If Patterson were Mayor of detroit you all would love him. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1581 Registered: 07-2004 |
"Unlikely. I'm not a Republican." Sigh. No sense of humor... | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10669 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: It would depend upon his accomplishments. It is far easier to oversee the wealthiest county in the state than the poorest city. His success in OC would not necessaily coorelate to success in Detroit. Very different challenges. Leading in a boom area is much easier. | ||
Perfectgentleman Member Username: Perfectgentleman Post Number: 4759 Registered: 03-2006 |
Since when do the residents of Detroit vote for someone based on their accomplishments? Coleman young presided over the decline of the city and was re-elected 5 times. Look at the city council, what have they accomplished? | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2594 Registered: 06-2006 |
^sting! | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1582 Registered: 07-2004 |
Ummm, back to Patterson ... | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 10670 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Not really, no. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1584 Registered: 07-2004 |
More like an attempted threadjack. | ||
Rocket_city Member Username: Rocket_city Post Number: 453 Registered: 04-2006 |
Thejesus, I know DeRoche was the one that said that quote, but like Jt, I recall Elle Brooks saying it as well. I think he even used the word "represent". Can't you just picture LBP and DeRoche holding hands skipping into the sunset, down their gridlocked freeway surrounded by fields of parking lots and about 5 McMansions that all look the same? |
