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Post Number: 422
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:28 pm: |    |
DN - re: "reform." Do you have a break point, a line beyond which you agree that an individual is beyond reform?
I don't want a bloodbath, but I remember crowded schools and dirty playgrounds in my DPS experience. When the choice is coddle a crook or extra help for kids (or the elderly, or infrastructure repair, etc.) it's easy for me to prioritize. Take them out. |
Detroitnerd
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Post Number: 1623
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:31 pm: | |
So, Craig, you propose some sort of Maoist Cultural Revolution where we kill those we deem crooked? I'm flabbergasted... |
Firstandten
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Post Number: 122
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:32 pm: | |
Detroitnerd: That's funny. I had this, I don't know, kind of odd idea that we were supposed to take sick, twisted individuals who kill with impunity and to try to reform them. (That goes for Bush and Cheney too.)
Thats the problem with this criminal justice system as a society we can't decide whether prison is to punish or reform so we do both... poorly !
BTW lets find that deserted island in the middle of the Pacific. Drop the prisoners there with some food and tools and tell them to make it as best you can |
Sstashmoo
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Post Number: 579
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:42 pm: | |
Tiger Stadium? Modern day Coliseum? Revenues? 
Hey we need those seats back! |
Jjaba
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Post Number: 5599
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:42 pm: | |
The Jesus #2713 is a clasic post. jjaba, ROTFLMJAO.
The Jesus did leave out the Dingo attacks possible, wild kangaroo meat for dinner, eating grub appetizers, and driving on the wrong side of the road, plus the toilet water flushing backwards.
Thanks again. You are funny.
jjaba, staying away from Rouge River. |
Barnesfoto
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Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 6:26 pm: | |
"BTW lets find that deserted island in the middle of the Pacific"
That would be Farallon de Pajaros, northern most island of the Marianas, which as you all know, are US possessions.
http://oceandots.com/pacific/m ariana/pajaros.htm |
Craig
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Username: Craig
Post Number: 423
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 7:15 pm: | |
DN - Do you understand what drove Mao and the Cultural Revolution? Your spurious linkage of the local incident and ideological terror suggests that a close re-read is in order. |
Thecarl
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Post Number: 1135
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 7:24 pm: | |
prison island? when i was about nine years old, i imagined a fortress built to contain prisoners. it was nothing more than a large, deeply forested area bound by thick concrete walls that were hundreds of feet tall, and extended hundreds of feet below ground. helicopters would fly by occasionally to drop food in that the prisoners would have to find and fight for.
i agree with those who believe true punishment is lifetime incarceration. you can't execute a prisoner and hope they've "learned their lesson." death is not punishment for someone suffering, it's a release - and prison is suffering. there's a reason why timothy mcveigh demanded execution. it's nicer.
now, another egregious aspect to this crime: the reporting. why was the media so completely unable to refer to the victim without predominantly featuring "registered sex offender" in the headlines and captions? cripes, you'd think the parents have incalculable grief as it is - and the unconscionable media, with its lust for sensationalism, spits in their faces. it's unforgivable. |
401don
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 7:37 pm: | |
I saw a CSI Las Vegas rerun a few days ago where the case was about a bunch of middle class, bored kids who go around beating innocent tourists just for the thrill until someone actually dies. Grisolm says at the end "That's what happens today when kids grow up with mass media, no morals, etc." I thought what a stupid, unrealistic episode that was and what a twisted mind those Hollywood writers have. |
Detroitnerd
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Post Number: 1624
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 7:46 pm: | |
I dunno, sounds like you plan on icing people. Big time. Sounds about as unamerican as the Gestapo to me. |
Craig
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Username: Craig
Post Number: 424
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 7:56 pm: | |
DN - Nazis offed people because of what they were, not necessarily because of what they were doing. Individuals who deliberately break the contract need something extreme, and having had to protect my home and family with bats and guns I am content to forfeit the lives of those who threaten the peace of others. Same Constitution. Same due process. Just a noose for the real bad types.
Maybe you have a very different world view, but I know people who have lived in mortal fear (not like a roller coaster ride where the danger passes - but live, day in and out), and it is for these people -victims- that I advocate extreme punishment. |
J__rod
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 8:56 pm: | |
So how did they even link these two kids to the murder? I haven't read anything that says why these two kids are guilty. |
Detroitnerd
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Post Number: 1625
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 8:57 pm: | |
Great. I'm sure all the people you kill will deserve it. And the only added casualty will be our way of life as Americans.
Super ... fucking ... stupid.
You are not entitled to your opinion. |
Sticks
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Post Number: 354
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 11:31 pm: | |
Wow, this thread couldn't even reach the 2nd post without someone trying to start a shit-fit.
And some of you wonder why Dyes posting/membership might be down.. |
Thecarl
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Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 11:37 pm: | |
quote:And some of you wonder why Dyes posting/membership might be down..
supersport spilled beer on his keyboard, that's why. |
Unclefrank
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Post Number: 117
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 8:18 am: | |
What was a guy in his late 20's doing hanging around with a 17 year old kid? And he also owed him money? WTF |
Mauser765
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Post Number: 2068
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 8:34 am: | |
Yeah - dead guy with no head was a sex offender, so Im thinking perhaps theres more to the story than "we were bored". Right now we are riding a wave of media hysterics - watch, later it will get much more specific.
Im betting it was not a 'thrill' kill, but perchance a payback of some sort. |
Craig
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Post Number: 425
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 8:56 am: | |
DN - answer the original question: how far is "too far" for bad behavior? Were the executions of Nazis at Nuremberg wrong? Sadddam Hussein? Timothy McVeigh? |
Craig
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Post Number: 426
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 8:58 am: | |
Mauser - "dead guy" per Detroit News, was 17 when he slept with a 14-year old. By that standard we probably both know lots of sex offenders.
I agree that there is probably something more to the case, but I doubt that whatever is not yet public is related to a boyfriend/girlfriend fling nearly ten years ago. |
Defendbrooklyn
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Post Number: 540
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 9:12 am: | |
When i first read this article i felt sick...These two kids are nasty animals...Jail is not justice for these bums. Why waste the money on taking care of them. The victim's family should be aloud to choose the methods of torture. |
Gnome
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Post Number: 369
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 9:18 am: | |
The victim was 17 and had sex with his 14 year old girlfriend. He was convicted of having sex with a minor, jeeze, as bad as that is, it doesn't really match the generalized notion of a "sex offender". He wasn't a trenchcoat wearing cretin, he was a young guy who showed bad judgement.
Regardless, no one deserves to be lured into a garage, a garage prepared with a tarp on the floor to catch the blood, then repeated stabbed in the back, bled white, and decapitated.
These boys are germs, and need to studied, then filed away in a prison for the rest of their lives. In prison they will be preyed upon - passed from one gang to another - their rectums will bleed from repeated violations, their jaws will be broken, their eyes blackened. They will suffer short and terror-filled lives.
But that assumes that Kim Worthy will actually convict them. |
Catman_dude
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Post Number: 260
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 10:25 am: | |
I was working the midnight shift at a convenience store in Westland in the early 1980's. There were always 3 guys who would hang out at the side of the store nearly to 3:00am or even to 5:00am. Talk about losers! They always gave me trouble and stole stuff from the store. One night, they got violent when I stood up to them and I started to carry a gun with me to my shift. But the store manager wouldn't back me up or do anything about those guys. So I quit. About a year later, one of the guys raped and killed his own sister. Killings happen all over but we get some of the more twisted ones, it seems. |
The_ed
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Username: The_ed
Post Number: 915
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 10:51 am: | |
Dumb Question of the Day:
Okay- a convict is about to be put to death by lethal injection.
Why do they rub alcohol on the guys arm before the injection? |
Karl_jr
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Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 162
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 10:58 am: | |
out of habit!
kill'em all and let God sort'em out. |
Craig
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Post Number: 430
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 11:12 am: | |
Do "they" swab the arm with alcohol? You're probably thinking of the movies (unless you're playing at being DY Andy Rooney). |
The_ed
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Post Number: 919
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 11:17 am: | |
Do they think that if they don't swab the arm, the dead-guy will develop an infection?
I say jab it right in his arm and be done with it. |
Falstaff
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 11:28 am: | |
I saw this photo on another site. WDIV's Karen Drew thought it was necessary to demonstrate the proper method for beheading someone on the six o'clock news:
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Crystal
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Post Number: 62
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 11:39 am: | |
Is this for real? Was this really during a segment about the killing? |
Lilpup
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Post Number: 3098
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 11:42 am: | |
"So how did they even link these two kids to the murder? I haven't read anything that says why these two kids are guilty."
Rumor has it there's a third involved that's been pointing the way. |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2174
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 11:48 am: | |
quote:Is this for real? Was this really during a segment about the killing?
I know, right? The 6 o'clock news has officially jumped the shark. |
Gnome
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Post Number: 371
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 12:48 pm: | |
Alexander James Letkemann's myspace page
http://www.myspace.com/5565693 4 |
Falstaff
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:15 pm: | |
quote:Is this for real? Was this really during a segment about the killing?
Yes, happened last night.
New lows in TV news. What a horrible reporter. |
Steamaker
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:33 pm: | |
"I saw a CSI Las Vegas rerun a few days ago where the case was about a bunch of middle class, bored kids who go around beating innocent tourists just for the thrill until someone actually dies. Grisolm says at the end "That's what happens today when kids grow up with mass media, no morals, etc." I thought what a stupid, unrealistic episode that was and what a twisted mind those Hollywood writers have."
401 Don. If you look it up on the internet, this actually happened here in Vegas. A bunch of kids going around beating people for a thrill. Hollywood didn't make this up |
Bigb23
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 5:13 pm: | |
I heard on the news today that the "sex offender"
was seventeen and the girl was fourteen,BUT,she
told him that she was sixteen at the time.
How many ID's did YOU check when you were that age?
Also my friends and I at that age had some of the first photo/non paper MDL's at that time. |
Lowell
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Post Number: 4298
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 5:25 pm: | |
Well, if anything, this proves the old saying:
"A friend will help you move; a true friend will help you move a body."
And what does that woman sword-swallower have to do with this thread? |
Danny
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Post Number: 6797
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 9:05 am: | |
Kids who thrill kill! If the problems start at home, then the warning signs should be present.
Alexander Letkemann and Jean Pierre Orlewicz had hid their psychological hurt in their hearts and went out to find a innocent man and kill for the thrill of it. This is what happens if parents don't watch their children or teach them from right from wrong. |
Thejesus
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Post Number: 2732
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 9:29 am: | |
^the one guy is 18 and the other was 5 minutes from being 18...we aren't talking about children here who can't be expected to know right from wrong...these guys are adults, and will be treated as such... |
Danny
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 9:37 am: | |
If these two young adults didn't knew from right from wrong. But they decided to do wrong from right. |
Sstashmoo
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Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 9:50 am: | |
Quote: "these guys are adults, and will be treated as such..."
Don't be surprised. |
Gnome
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Post Number: 377
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:14 am: | |
This whole thing reminds me of Leopold and Loeb and their 1920's "thrill kill" of little Bobby Franks.
http://www.leopoldandloeb.com/
Loeb was killed in prison, Leopold was paroled in 1958 after 33 years in prison where he established prison educational programs and submitted to malaria vaccination studies.
Loeb's father was an exceedingly wealthy guy by being a big-wig at Sears and Roebuck. Loeb also owned an experimental farm in Charlevoix known as CastleFarms. It is now a music venue, like Pineknob, and conference center.
Leopold and Loeb had Clarence Darrow defend them, I doubt those punks Letkemann and Orlewicz will have such resources available to them.
good. |
Crystal
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 05-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:34 am: | |
I agree with Danny, up to a point.
When the Columbine killings happened, I remember yelling at the television, "What do you mean the parents didn't know their kids were building bombs in the garage!?! What parent doesn't know what their kids are doing?•••
A younger brother of mine, now 45, misbehaved since he could walk and was in trouble with the law until he was about 30. The four other siblings were raised by the same attentive parents and turned out "fine" (whatever that means).
Our youngest son/stepson gained much local notoriety about four years ago when he set off a bomb in his middle school and was expelled. He, too, was troubled and difficult from the beginning. We tried every type of intervention: camp, medication, psychotherapy, strict rules, lenient rules, everything.
I know it is tempting to assume that families are clueless about their own kids because they are too busy, but that is not always the case. |
Unclefrank
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:17 am: | |
I read that Clarence Darrow didn't even get hardly paid for his efforts to keep those two punks out of the electric chair. They felt that he was paid enough by the publicity. Serves him right. Those two should have fried. BTW, Karen looks really "hot" with that knife!
(Message edited by unclefrank on November 14, 2007) |
Karl_jr
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Post Number: 164
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 3:48 pm: | |
"Karen looks really "hot" with that knife!"
Yea baby, my kinda gal! |
Rhymeswithrawk
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Post Number: 1034
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 3:26 am: | |
Further proof that y'all suburbanites are just bat-shit crazy when it comes to killing people. Beheadings, cutting up wives in band saws, dumping bodies in lakes. Shucks, if we Detroiters are gonna kill somebody, we just plain ol' shoot 'em. Boring but still effective and without the mess. |
Reddog289
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Post Number: 89
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 4:04 am: | |
i guess i should be living in detroit, just shoot em, oh yeah ya forgot about putting the body in the freezer, this reminds me of the kids in warren who cut that girls head off and put it in the freezer. |
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