  Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2705 Registered: 06-2006 |
Wow, this is seriously messed up... This proves that you can't blame all violent behavior on the poor economy...sometimes people are just F-ing crazy http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=/20071112/NEWS02/ 71112021 | ||
Tarkus Member Username: Tarkus Post Number: 425 Registered: 04-2006 |
Ok you libs. Give me a reason that if these 3 are found guilty they should not get the death sentence. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1611 Registered: 07-2004 |
Because killing is wrong? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 3565 Registered: 10-2003 |
I personally wouldn't lose sleep over it, but someone did say Thou Shalt Not Kill. Of course it's not usually the libs quoting the bible. | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 363 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: Well, first off, there are only two suspects, so that would result in the death of at least one random innocent person. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2706 Registered: 06-2006 |
Liberals often oppose the death penalty on the grounds that a disproportionate number of minorities and impoverished individuals receive death sentences They might not have as big of a problem with two spoiled brats from suburbia who literally thought they could get away with murder being put down. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1612 Registered: 07-2004 |
"Liberals often oppose..." I'd like DetroitYES! to join me in welcoming our newest staffer in the vast generalization department. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 3566 Registered: 10-2003 |
Actually I think the main arguments against it are the fact that killing one innocent person would be worse than not killing thousands of guilty one, and also that by having state executions, you are actually devaluing life. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2707 Registered: 06-2006 |
Detroitnerd: That actually wasn't a generalization...if you look at it, it's a factual statement...now, if I had said "Liberals always oppose...", they you'd be correct. As it turns out, you're not. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2708 Registered: 06-2006 |
JL: They often use that argument too. People oppose it for different reasons. The reasons I stated is listed first, third and fourth on the ACLU website. The reason you stated is listed second. http://www.aclu.org/capital/facts/10602res20040917.html (Message edited by thejesus on November 12, 2007) | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1613 Registered: 07-2004 |
Haha. Sure it's a generalization; you're building a straw man. Have fun in in the rye-field! | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2709 Registered: 06-2006 |
^do you even know what a strawman is? | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1614 Registered: 07-2004 |
Check your local library. | ||
Eriedearie Member Username: Eriedearie Post Number: 89 Registered: 08-2007 |
How sick must two individuals be to do that to another human being? Just for the viciousness of what they did to a family's treasured loved one, those nut jobs should get the death penalty. Too bad they did this in Michigan and not a state that recognizes the death penalty. They don't deserve to live much less see the light of day even if for one hour each day while in prison for life. I know I'm probably starting a real argument on this thread about the death sentence and all. But excuse me. After reading that article once more I have to be ill. | ||
Udmphikapbob Member Username: Udmphikapbob Post Number: 493 Registered: 07-2004 |
Death penalty is fine if: DNA evidence, multiple eyewitnesses and/or video evidence are present to guarantee 100% that the accused is responsible. Also, I'd like there to be a history of prior violent convictions, illustrating an unwillingness towards rehabilitation. signed, a Lib | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2710 Registered: 06-2006 |
"Check your local library." Follow your own advice and you'll learn that it's an argumentative tactic based on a logical fallacy, which means I'd have to be arguing against someone's position in order to employ the tactic, which I was not. Furthermore, the phrasing of my statement makes it 100% factual. But you go ahead and keep making up your own rules of logic if things make more sense to you that way. Good luck. | ||
Tarkus Member Username: Tarkus Post Number: 426 Registered: 04-2006 |
Udm, why does there have to be history of prior violent convictions. Good grief, if that were the case, Hitler had no prior history or DNA evidence against him for slaughtering the Jews. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1861 Registered: 05-2005 |
quote: spoken like a true con. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 3980 Registered: 02-2005 |
I see that those fucks wanted to dump the head in Detroit but they were too scared so they stopped at the border. Lock up em and let them rot in prison and remember their "thrill" over and over again. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 118 Registered: 05-2006 |
Sometimes the death penalty is too good for these people. As a matter of fact its an easy way out for these clowns. Let's petition the State Department of Corrections for a Supermax type facility. This type of facility while not a death sentence will make people think and regret what they did every day for the rest of their miserable life. Some people have said it's like Hell on earth . You would probably get a challenge from the ACLU since this type of facility borders on cruel and unusual punishment | ||
Tarkus Member Username: Tarkus Post Number: 427 Registered: 04-2006 |
Ok Gravity, in your lib namby pamby way tell me how they are just misunderstood teens. For goodness sake they burned his hands and feet and then cutoff his head for good measure. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1616 Registered: 07-2004 |
TJ: You are constantly arguing against progressive positions on this board. That's your whole shtick! That's why it's funny when you try to seem a seasoned objective observer. And that's what makes it so fun to call you on it, watch you turn red and huff and puff and insist you're right. Please, keep the entertainment coming! | ||
Granmontrules Member Username: Granmontrules Post Number: 252 Registered: 01-2007 |
I am quite liberal but I do support the death penalty. Hang em'. | ||
Firstandten Member Username: Firstandten Post Number: 119 Registered: 05-2006 |
Sometimes the death penalty is too good for these people. As a matter of fact its an easy way out for these clowns. Let's petition the State Department of Corrections for a Supermax type facility. This type of facility while not a death sentence will make people think and regret what they did every day for the rest of their miserable life. Some people have said it's like Hell on earth . You would probably get a challenge from the ACLU since this type of facility borders on cruel and unusual punishment | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 366 Registered: 04-2006 |
Tarkus, your post #427 contained the first use of the word "misunderstood" in this thread. No post on here showed the least bit of sympathy for the two suspects. Believe it or not, it is possible to oppose the death penalty without sympathizing with everyone who is accused of a criminal act. | ||
Tarkus Member Username: Tarkus Post Number: 428 Registered: 04-2006 |
Bear, I was attempting to voice what a true lib might say "they are just misunderstood", I was not taking that stand as I have no sympathy for them. Hangem High. | ||
Carolcb Member Username: Carolcb Post Number: 2671 Registered: 11-2006 |
"Some people have said it's like Hell on earth . You would probably get a challenge from the ACLU since this type of facility borders on cruel and unusual punishment." So what gives us the right to do that? Do you really want other people to have jobs torturing other people? Isn't locking them up in a cell with no interaction with anyone else except the screw pushing their food tray enough punishment? Do we really want a society that tortures people? Watching too much CSI? What about that man and that woman that killed those little 10 and 11 year olds over the drug money? Do we want someone to torture them as well? Jeez, I thought God was supposed to have his way with people. Such forward thinking - Jeez, that guy in Russia that killed 48 people or whatever it was got life in prison. Russia. | ||
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine Post Number: 1862 Registered: 05-2005 |
since you're already convinced of what my arguement will be, and that is the opposite of yours, why do you need to me to explain it? | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 367 Registered: 04-2006 |
Tarkus, I got that. What I was trying to point out to you is that nobody here, regardless of their political views or position on the death penalty, is taking that particular stand in this case. (Message edited by bearinabox on November 12, 2007) | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 4438 Registered: 10-2003 |
"Give me a reason that if these 3 are found guilty they should not get the death sentence." If there was not a history of errors being made by prosecutors seeking the death penalty, I would not oppose it. My problem is this: They sometimes execute the wrong guy. http://www.innocenceproject.or g/ How many "wrong guys" are worth sacrificing so that someone can feel a sense of revenge? Let these guys spend the rest of their lives worrying about their personal safety in the showers... |
