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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 3569
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 2:48 pm: |    |
I admit when I read or hear about this stuff, I do have a gut feeling that the people should be taken out. I don't think it helps at all. But you do want vengeance against these animals that think they have the right to end the life of another person. |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 3570
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 2:49 pm: | |
Oops, but even in my own post I betray the problem with the death penalty. "that think they have the right to end the life of another person."
Damn, I out-argued myself. |
The_ed
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Username: The_ed
Post Number: 909
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 2:50 pm: | |
These two nut-jobs will go to prison and hopefully live a long time.
I doubt that they will survive the onslaught of the general population, but they deserve whatever is handed to them. |
Irish_mafia
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Username: Irish_mafia
Post Number: 1088
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:00 pm: | |
I am a conservative who,after much deliberation, is against the death sentence:
a) It's not a deterrent the way it is used now and given the political reality, will not become one.
b) The death sentence costs tax payers more money because of appeals
c) If properly instituted, a life sentence with no benefits, ie. TV,etc. and preferably hard time, is a much better way to address the evils of dirt bags such as the two mentioned here. They will pay for years and years and years ...if implemented correctly. |
Fnemecek
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Username: Fnemecek
Post Number: 2599
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:01 pm: | |
quote:Ok you libs. Give me a reason that if these 3 are found guilty they should not get the death sentence.
#1. Killing is wrong.
#2. It won't bring back the victim.
#3. It won't prevent crimes like this from happening again.
BTW - it isn't just "libs" who are opposed to the death penalty, unless you count the Pope as a liberal. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2711
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:04 pm: | |
"I see that those fucks wanted to dump the head in Detroit but they were too scared so they stopped at the border."
Yeah I don't know what they were thinking.
If they had just driven 1 more mile then dumped the body, their chances of getting away with it would have gone up significantly! |
Alan55
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Username: Alan55
Post Number: 737
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:06 pm: | |
".....and the Award for "Gratuitously Connecting Two Unrelated Items" goes to...."
"Tarkus, for his work in convoluting a gruesome killing into an ad hominem attack on his political opponents." |
Firstandten
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Username: Firstandten
Post Number: 120
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:06 pm: | |
Carolcb- No , I am not talking about physical torture, That is cruel and unusual punishment, thus unconstitutional. I am talking about the isolation and lack of interaction with other people. Many countries and some states have this level of confinement within their prison system. |
Barnesfoto
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Username: Barnesfoto
Post Number: 4439
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:09 pm: | |
"The death sentence costs tax payers more money because of appeals"
Oops, I forgot to mention that one... |
Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1617
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:13 pm: | |
Remember that one Simpsons episode with Rex Banner the Prohibition enforcer? This discussion reminds me of the episode, because he says, "It's not up to us to choose which laws we want to obey. If it were, I'd kill everyone who looked at me cockeyed!"
I think some of the people with the most hostility and anger are the ones who are pro-death penalty. I honestly believe they wish they could kill people, are frustrated that they cannot, and thus enjoy letting the state kill people.
Just a theory I'm workin' on. You may now return to cheering on state-sponsored death and cruelty. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2712
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:15 pm: | |
^seems plausible...that doesn't really add much to the discussion though (not that that's stopped you from chiming in before...just saying) |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 3573
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:23 pm: | |
Sometimes a prison island sounds like a good idea. Let the really bad ones go live off the land on some isolated island, protected by some PT boats so nobody can help them get off. They can farm and such, and the taxpayers don't have to pay for it. These would be the ones who otherwise would have a mandatory life sentence or death sentence. Yeah, they'd probably wind up killing each other, but we were gonna do that anyway. |
Charlottepaul
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Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 2018
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:27 pm: | |
Just love how the national media still pin this murder on Detroit. Co worker said to me today, "this is why Detroit sucks." |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2713
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:30 pm: | |
"Sometimes a prison island sounds like a good idea."
^The English tried that already with Australia...it ends in disaster(See:Australian-rules football; Crockodile Dundee movies, etc.) |
Rsa
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Username: Rsa
Post Number: 1334
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:32 pm: | |
interesting sidebar: quote:Michigan was the first English-speaking government in the world to totally abolish the death penalty.[1][2] The Michigan State Legislature voted to do so on May 18, 1846[3] and this has remained in law since.
i seem to remember some kind of celebration of the 160th anniversary this year. |
Fnemecek
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Username: Fnemecek
Post Number: 2601
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:32 pm: | |
The prison island does sound like an interesting idea. |
Patrick
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Username: Patrick
Post Number: 5131
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:34 pm: | |
I'd rather see em in in prison tossing Tyrone's salad. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 10751
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:35 pm: | |
quote:c) If properly instituted, a life sentence with no benefits, ie. TV,etc. and preferably hard time, is a much better way to address the evils of dirt bags such as the two mentioned here. They will pay for years and years and years ...if implemented correctly.
Spot on.
quote:"Sometimes a prison island sounds like a good idea."
^The English tried that already with Australia...it ends in disaster(See:Australian-rules football; Crockodile Dundee movies, etc.)
Got to give tj credit. That was pretty funny. |
Oldredfordette
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Username: Oldredfordette
Post Number: 3203
Registered: 02-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:36 pm: | |
You are describing Alcatraz. |
Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1618
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 3:49 pm: | |
Why don't we put them in work camps, where we can work them to death and drive them insane? When we're done with them, we can gas them and burn them. Although I bet that's "too good for them" too... |
Gnome
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Username: Gnome
Post Number: 366
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 4:44 pm: | |
What a horrific situation, only made more so with Kim Worthy leading the charge to convict. |
Dodgemain
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Username: Dodgemain
Post Number: 179
Registered: 04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 4:55 pm: | |
Hand the case over to the Feds. Then the death penalty is a possibility. |
Hans57
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Username: Hans57
Post Number: 226
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:01 pm: | |
I just saw a clip about this killing on CNN, they refer to it as happening in Detroit, is there any connection to Detroit? If not, the media seriously needs to step off the city. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2714
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:03 pm: | |
oh brother |
Andylinn
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Username: Andylinn
Post Number: 633
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:09 pm: | |
thejesus: the reason that they shouldn't get the death penalty is that it would cost too much. |
Craig
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Username: Craig
Post Number: 421
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:09 pm: | |
Assuming that they did it...
...these guys violated the social contract, i.e. all members of society "agree" to be nice to one another. They broke the rules, so excise them; cull the herd. People live in fear (see the "Cosby" thread) of loose criminals, so permanently remove the source of the fear. White. Black. Violent or substantial white collar criminals. Hang 'em high so that the rest of society can live without fear.
I don't break the contract, and I'm sure that most of "you" behave, too. Why should we tolerate those who do not respect our desire for property & peace? |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2715
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:14 pm: | |
"thejesus: the reason that they shouldn't get the death penalty is that it would cost too much."
ok, but why are you telling me? |
Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1621
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:14 pm: | |
That's funny. I had this, I don't know, kind of odd idea that we were supposed to take sick, twisted individuals who kill with impunity and to try to reform them. (That goes for Bush and Cheney too.) |
Firstandten
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Username: Firstandten
Post Number: 121
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:22 pm: | |
Detroitnerd: That's funny. I had this, I don't know, kind of odd idea that we were supposed to take sick, twisted individuals who kill with impunity and to try to reform them. (That goes for Bush and Cheney too.)
Thats the problem with this criminal justice system as a society we can't decide whether prison is to punish or reform so we do both... poorly !
BTW lets find that deserted island in the middle of the Pacific. Drop the prisoners there with some food and tools and tell them to make it as best you can |
Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1622
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 5:28 pm: | |
The ancient Greeks were big on exile, I hear. |