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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:23 am: |    |
40? 35? 50? |
Dougw
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:24 am: | |
2 stories in a sprawling suburban mega-campus. Just kidding. ;) |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:29 am: | |
depends on the size of the footprint...
I'd expect a company like quicken to factor workforce growth into their building plans though...so we're probably taking more than 4,000.
At it's peak earlier this year, Quicken employed nearly 5,000...who knows how many they'll employ 10 years from now, or in 4 years when they move |
Danny
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:33 am: | |
150 story glass covered skyscraper Quicken Tower would Detroit's prime example of its true rennaisance. |
Nyct
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:41 am: | |
say the footprint size is as big as the hudson's site. it' have to be between 35 and 40, right? close to 100 employees on each floor or so sounds right. |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:43 am: | |
"150 story glass covered skyscraper Quicken Tower would Detroit's prime example of its true rennaisance."
except that would fuck the Detroit office market like the Rec Cen for ANOTHER 30 years, ensuring that nothing else gets built until 2040
(Message edited by thejesus on November 14, 2007) |
Rsa
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:45 am: | |
the hudson's site is limited to between 15-18 stories as is. that's what the foundations and columns were designed to hold. that would still encompass around 1.2-1.4 million square feet.
they could go back and reinforce or rebuild the existing structure to make it taller. i think that's be highly unlikely, however.
personally, i would really like to see them go on the monroe block, facing campus martius. that would really turn that whole area into a thriving business district... |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:47 am: | |
Nyct...hudson's can only handle 20 stories I think
Edit: ah, RSA beat me to it |
Rb336
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:49 am: | |
i figured in the other discussion, that at 200-250 sq ft per employee, 800k - 1 million sq ft would be needed for existing employees, so hudson's could offer them room to grow |
Charlottepaul
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:53 am: | |
Nowadays architects design between 25,000 to 30,000 SF floorplate to be most efficient. Expect it to be that even on an irregular shaped site. |
Upinottawa
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 11:58 am: | |
I would prefer to see two or more shorter buildings within walking distance of each other. There is no reason (other than costs) that all 4000 employees need to be housed in the same building. |
Thejesus
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:08 pm: | |
these might be an indication of what kind of height we're looking at
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Ray1936
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:11 pm: | |
You all seem to presume that all 4,000 employees would be working at the same time. Figuring vacation, comp, and sick time, and the probability of shift work, I'd cut that figure in half to figure the needed space. |
Nyct
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:16 pm: | |
there'll be some off hour work, but not enough that would cut the estimated space needed in half. plus, people don't share cubicles with those who work the night shift. |
Rjlj
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:26 pm: | |
Ray1936, you don't design a stadium with the assumption that not everyone will be in their seats at the same time. |
Jt1
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:33 pm: | |
I heard it will be a 4001 story building and each worker will get his/her own floor. Dan Gilbert's office will occupy the top two floors. |
Jonnyfive
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:35 pm: | |
I agree. It's one thing to design an assembly plant for 1/2 or 1/3 of the workers, but thats because all of them will leave, a new shift will come in and assembly workers wont exactly get their own workspace.
If the company was at 4,800 a year or so ago and 4,000 now, it seems perfectly reasonable the building would be constructed for 5,000+. |
Dougw
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:38 pm: | |
quote:i figured in the other discussion, that at 200-250 sq ft per employee, 800k - 1 million sq ft would be needed for existing employees, so hudson's could offer them room to grow
So in other words, they would be looking at at least a 50,000 sq ft floor plate if they built on the Hudson's site? Since there is the 18 story limit, that would give them 200+ employees per floor.
(Message edited by Dougw on November 14, 2007) |
El_jimbo
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 12:39 pm: | |
Also, don't forget to add 2 floors at the bottom for the ESPNZone presents the House of Blues Cheesecake Factory brought to you by Ruth Chris. |
Gistok
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 1:20 pm: | |
Although it's just speculation, my gut feeling is that the Quicken HQ is going to be on the Statler site. Why?
Because the Hudson's site won't leave much room for height, and will likely be another big box building like Compuware. Also I don't think that Gilbert will want to have a "2nd fiddle" site to the Compuware HQ, which is directly on Campus Martius. With the Compuware HQ there, it gives the Hudson's site rather poor sightlines.
The Statler site is just the opposite. It is a majestic site with lots of "view" potential. And there's no height restrictions. If Gilbert wants a residential and entertainment component to his Quicken HQ, then the Statler site is unbeatable, what with the potential of the United Artists Building being converted to residential, and potentially the UA Theatre becoming a "signature" performing arts center.
Also, the Statler block has the People Mover going around it on 2 1/2 sides, and cutting across a corner of it (similar to the PM going across the Millender Center corner). If it were feasible, a Bagley Ave. PM Station would be a great draw for Quicken. From the Grand Circus Park PM Station, it is 4 blocks until the next station, so a Quicken station is not that far fetched (there are several other stations that would still be closer than a Bagley station would be to GCP or Times Sq. stations).
I also think that a technology building is a better fit next to Compuware, than on the Statler site. It would help make Woodward "Technology Row". |
Detourdetroit
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 1:28 pm: | |
how many stories is enron's hq in houston? |
Mackinaw
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 1:50 pm: | |
I don't think the PM has anything to do with the decision making. If anything, the PM tracks make the Statler site awkward, and will mess with the facade facing GCP. Perhaps for the random employee going to a Red Wings game on a winter night it would be beneficial, and if anyone has business at the Ren Cen, but that's about it. I suppose you could contend people would take it to Greektown, and that would ease parking demand around Greektown/Bricktown (hopefully leading to infill), but that's a bit of a stretch. Besides, Merchants Row to CMP to Monroe is an extremely appealing and walkable combination of streets in downtown.
The big advantage for Statler is the option to build something tall. Something about the height of the Broderick would be perfect. Anything taller gets a little out of context.
I think the height limitations at the Hudson's block are a good thing. You wouldn't want something taller than the former Hudson's...that would be out of context on Merchant's Row. The Monroe Block, on the other hand, should be targeted for a skyscraper.
In terms of usage, you see residential buildings, parks, and boulevards around that Statler site. I think that development should be mixed use but favoring residential. I think that is a site for long-run major, modern residential development...something tall. As much as I hate the gaping hole there, it would be good to wait. Now I realize that Gilbert has his hands on it and will probably develop something there, but I think, from a planning standpoint, worker/business density in the core of the CBD ought to be prioritized. This means that they should be on the Hudson's Block, with the incubator development being a renovated Lafayette, and other development on those Broadway sites. But, the city cannot take the approach I just took. Beggars can't be choosers, and as long as Gilbert is in Detroit he can choose to go whereever he wants to go.
My money: 30 stories at the Statler + an innovative, mixed-use complex (which hopefully, hopefully will complete the streetwall on Merchant's Row and not give us any plazas like some past designs have suggested). I don't think Gilbert will get involved at the two sites most recently offered by the city, but I think the city will succeed in their Broadway infill goal sometime soon. |
Raptor56
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 1:55 pm: | |
El_jimbo: LMAO!! and don't forget the waffle house and major grocery store. |
Southen
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 2:04 pm: | |
Thanks for posting those renders TheJesus
Hard to make out what we're looking at with the first one, but the second one is clearly facing GCP with the building built over the PM tracks connecting the Statler and Tuller sites. Im guessing thats a good indication of the height Gilbert is thinking if he had Rosetti do preliminary stuff a ways back. |
Detroit313
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 2:13 pm: | |
I think he will develop both sites, nut his HQ will be on the Statler site.
And if the PM track are in the way, construction will temporarily cut the PM in one direction...
I also believe the Ilitches will announce a new hockey area in the project.
Wow, Detroit will have an entertainment district that will be unrivaled...
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Mdoyle
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 4:29 pm: | |
I agree with the idea that the HQ will be on the Statler site, not only because of the height but also the proximity to entertainment. Cliff Bells, Park Bar, Centaur, Hockeytown and both of the stadiums seem much closer and are a big factor in the lives of the hip 20-35 year olds Gilbert mentions as employees of his company looking forward tot he urban lifestyle. |
Kslice
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 4:45 pm: | |
I would much rather see the Statler site used than the Hudson site. I think it would be great to see another 35+ Stories building downtown.
Using the Statler site might also get the Broderick Tower renovations going. |
Bobj
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 4:46 pm: | |
Where i work , we built a new HQ for 1500 employees, 12 stories, and it is a bit tight. |
Detroitrise
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 6:24 pm: | |
Ahem, I would like a High Rise that will "disrupt" our skyline, not any short, stubby buildings.
(Message edited by DetroitRise on November 14, 2007) |
Kslice
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| | Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 10:52 pm: | |
Exactly. Something that will make it's mark with a big neon Quicken sign near the top. |