Edgar_rhode Member Username: Edgar_rhode
Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 10:53 pm: | |
http://www.canada.com/victoria timescolonist/news/story.html? id=057c81db-f6ea-459c-83af-689 ed27771ff&k=90110 i think i saw part of this action. i was on woodward near the DSO around 2:15 and this fleet of police cars came screaming south down woodward. this one idiot civilian refused to pull over to the curb and continued to try to make a left onto mack. the cop had to drift into the northbound lanes ( luckily all northbound traffic pulled over to the curb when they saw the commotion ) to pass the idiot - who continued to complete their turn onto mack. amazing stupid. |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 3841 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 11:10 pm: | |
It sounds like the bigger story was at the border:quote:WINDSOR, Ont. -- An ambulance rushing a heart attack victim to Detroit from a Windsor hospital ill-equipped to perform life-saving surgery was stopped for secondary inspection Monday by U.S. Customs, despite the fact it carried a man fighting for his life. Rick Laporte, 49 -- who twice had been brought back to life with defibrillators -- was being rushed across the border when a U.S. border guard ignored protocol at the Detroit portion of the tunnel and forced the ambulance -- with siren and lights flashing -- to pull over. "If I'm that person in the booth, and there is an ambulance coming with a critically injured person, I'm not stopping the damn thing," said Kat Lauzon, Laporte's girlfriend. "I'm irate. I can't figure it out. He could have died, and I would have blamed that person for murder." U.S. Customs officers at the secondary inspection site told the ambulance driver to go inside the office to produce identification, said a frustrated Larry Amlin, of Windsor Essex EMS. Other guards told the paramedic crew to open the back doors of the ambulance, then asked Laporte to verbally confirm his identify [sic], said Lauzon. She learned afterward of the incident from Laporte, who survived his life-saving emergency angioplasty surgery at Detroit's Henry Ford Hospital. Laporte, a Canadian Auto Workers Union executive, remained in the cardiac care unit yesterday in serious condition. "This was a life-saving procedure," Lauzon said yesterday, still furious. "What if it was one of their mothers in the ambulance? Would they pull it in? No damn way." "This was not normal circumstances," she added. "How many drug dealers do you know that get a police escort in the back of an ambulance to go across the border? What is their damn reason for pulling it in?" Chief Ron Smith of U.S. Customs and Border Protection in Detroit could not be reached yesterday. |
Homer Member Username: Homer
Post Number: 247 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 11:47 pm: | |
We will soon see Police escorts for the busloads of Canadian Christmas Shoppers headed for Somerset. With the dollar slipping those loonies are looking good. |
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 740 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 12:34 am: | |
Wow, border security has separated Detroit and Windsor to the point where people on their death beds must suffer. |
Zxzm Member Username: Zxzm
Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 1:41 am: | |
Most of the people who work customs are raging dickheads. |
Atwater Member Username: Atwater
Post Number: 88 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 2:57 am: | |
Zxzm, lol, so true. Maybe it's a good thing though.. (if it helps prevent the easy passage of terrorists, etc.) |
Hpgrmln Member Username: Hpgrmln
Post Number: 279 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 7:23 am: | |
Everyone wants to move to Canada because of their health care system, or adopt a similar system in the states. Yeah. Great care. Can we now brag that we have superior emergency facilities? Now, if they were only more careful about what CIVILIANS they let cross over.... |
Tony_box_42 Member Username: Tony_box_42
Post Number: 116 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 8:31 am: | |
A Canadian Firefighting crew crossing into the U.S. to assist had the same thing happen. The chief said it was the first time in his thirty years of cross border mutual aid he was stopped. |
Karl_jr Member Username: Karl_jr
Post Number: 168 Registered: 06-2007
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 8:46 am: | |
border patrol, ins, U.S. Customs and Border Protection etc. = idiots |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2219 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 11:20 am: | |
quote:(if it helps prevent the easy passage of terrorists, etc.) lol. Seems to me that all of our terrorists enter this country legally...
quote:Everyone wants to move to Canada because of their health care system, or adopt a similar system in the states. Yeah. Great care. Can we now brag that we have superior emergency facilities? Detroit = center of major metropolis Windsor = not center of major metropolis That's like comparing the medical facilities of Detroit and Warren... |
Ghetto_butterfly Member Username: Ghetto_butterfly
Post Number: 773 Registered: 09-2004
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 11:59 am: | |
quote:Can we now brag that we have superior emergency facilities? No you can't. Not as long as these are only for the few select people who can afford health care because they have jobs. Unlike Canada. |
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 2271 Registered: 01-2005
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 12:43 pm: | |
During the second day of the 1967 riots, several fire rigs from Windsor responded via the bridge. Customs/immigration was no problem, but he toll taker stopped them and made them pay the truck rate. Idiots abound everywhere. |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 2053 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 12:47 pm: | |
"Wow, border security has separated Detroit and Windsor to the point where people on their death beds must suffer." Yeah. Lowell is definitely going to be fired up on this one. The incident will prove to most how much restriction there is on travel between these two 'enemy' countries. |
Raggedclaws Member Username: Raggedclaws
Post Number: 99 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 12:56 pm: | |
Frankly, if I were border security I'd question the likelihood of Windsor not having ANY facility equipped to "perform life saving surgery"... . Wha ?? That's so absurd I'd have stopped the ambulance, too. |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 3842 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 1:41 pm: | |
Looking for a silver lining, at least this is a problem that should be easily solved with some better procedures, agreements and training. Maybe they can agree on a secret hand signal that no terrorist would know. Maybe they should beef up security around emergency vehicles so that no terrorist could possibly get access to one. Any other ideas? Have there been any updates about this incident? |
401don Member Username: 401don
Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 3:17 pm: | |
The procedures are already in place. They were ignored. You can still drive onto the bridge or tunnel and blow it up before you even see customs. Whatever happened to reverse screening? Then again you can just walk across about a thousand other spots on the border. The whole thing is an incredible waste of money. But let's just keep searching purses at ballgames as long as everyone feels better. |
Aiw Member Username: Aiw
Post Number: 6436 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 3:36 pm: | |
Same thing happened two years ago to the guy who lived at the end of my block. He was rushed to Detroit and the ambulance was stopped at the border. He wasn't as lucky, and now there's a widow on my block. Also the nearest Cardiac center to Windsor is in London, 2 hours away. In a critical emergency like this it's faster and quicker to take the patent to Detroit. |
Atwater Member Username: Atwater
Post Number: 89 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 3:41 pm: | |
Why are there no cardiac centers near Windsor? Seems like they might want to build one... |
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa
Post Number: 1015 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 1:14 pm: | |
If anything good comes of this situation it would be the Ontario government redistributing some of the health care services in London to better serve the population in Windsor. Ontario should be investing in health care in Windsor period. Unfortunately, this point doesn't get any press unless someone in an ambulance nearly dies at the border. |
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 774 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 1:26 pm: | |
In addition to Detroit being the closest Medical Hub, we also have a world class medical system (within city limits). |
401don Member Username: 401don
Post Number: 63 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 2:25 pm: | |
Windsor is that awkward size of community, not quite large enough to warrant its own cardio care and other specialty units and yet isolated geographically from other large Canadian cities. It was a win/win to send patients a ten minute drive over to Detroit and have the Ont. gov't reimburse Detroit hospitals. There must be absolute assurances from all levels of U.S. gov't that this won't happen again or the Ontario gov't must find an alternative. The problem for Ontario communities of course is that Canadian specialists continue to transfer to the U.S. where incomes are often 10 times more for surgeons so even if they build the facilities it may not solve anything. |
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa
Post Number: 1016 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 3:55 pm: | |
It may be impossible to get such assurances from the US government. In the meantime, the Ontario government should invest sufficient medical resources in Windsor by redirecting resources from London. Only very specialized procedures should still be purchased in Detroit. That being said, increasing the number of specialists in Windsor would allow the Windsor medical community to work in a more integrated manner with specialists in Detroit. Windsor sits in the shadow of a medical giant -- and should develop the resources to become part of that intellectually challenging, growth area. The decline of the American dollar has slightly leveled the playing field for doctors working on the Canadian side, but Canadian salaries for doctors will never approach the levels in Detroit. That being said, a full blown Windsor medical school will help to encourage doctors to stay in the Windsor area. |
Kahnman Member Username: Kahnman
Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2006
| Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 4:25 pm: | |
Hey Jimaz, I know a "secret hand signal" they could use to pass through. It only requires one extended finger... |
Texorama Member Username: Texorama
Post Number: 104 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 9:24 am: | |
The Windsor Star has been doing a good job covering this story. Today's revelation is that the ambulance was flagged randomly, which doesn't really explain much. http://www.canada.com/windsors tar/story.html?id=170c369a-84a e-495b-9fb7-5a48478ca99e&k=671 74 |
Upinottawa Member Username: Upinottawa
Post Number: 1017 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 9:48 am: | |
Exerpt from today's Windsor Star: Here's the crazy thing. While these guys hassle our heart attack victims and block Quebec firefighters from helping their U.S. neighbours, much of the border remains a go-as-you-please zone for terrorists. On the same day we learned of Laporte's mistreatment, it was revealed that three of four U.S. government security test runs involving the smuggling of weapons-grade uranium at remote border locations had been successful. In other words, the U.S. is still a sitting duck. And these guys are wasting time and resources interrogating ambulance drivers in downtown Detroit? It makes no sense. http://www.canada.com/windsors tar/columnists/story.html?id=b 3e69336-5367-4e3a-902f-16ef31c 7960f |