  Mdoyle Member Username: Mdoyle Post Number: 248 Registered: 10-2006 |
http://www.forbes.com/2007/11/ 08/murder-city-danger-forbesli fe-cx_de_1108murder.html?feed= rss_news | ||
Royce Member Username: Royce Post Number: 2422 Registered: 07-2004 |
The number of murders per 100,000 has been reported before. This isn't new news. What's funny, but in a sick sense, is the fact that Forbes had pictures of "America's Most Murderous Cities." I had to view it to find out what they were going to show. Good to see that there weren't murder scenes like I had first imagined. I mean how do you show pictures of America's Most Murderous Cities? | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 2768 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yeah, well, who is more to blame here? Forbes for writing about it or the people of Detroit for committing all these crimes in the first place? I guess for some, the solution is to sweep these problems under the rug, hope that no one notices, and then call people out when they do notice. | ||
401don Member Username: 401don Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2007 |
Last year I vacationed in Detroit, Baltimore and Philly. Being a Tiger fan is dangerous and yet here I am. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4639 Registered: 10-2004 |
The real crime rates for the various crimes in Detroit, except murders, are quite possibly much higher than those reported. How many crimes are not being reported in Detroit because of the lousy manner that the Detroit police department handles and responds to complaints and reports? | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2218 Registered: 04-2006 |
That may have been the most unimpressive article I have ever read in Forbes. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3139 Registered: 06-2004 |
They didn't source their data and they also used the lower, now discredited, population number. If they used the FBI crime stats, or Morgan Quitno's report based on those stats, they should mention that not all cities report all data (especially Chicago among the large cities) | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 3699 Registered: 10-2003 |
Serious measures are needed in Detroit. I know the state's budget is in bad shape, but it's time to start putting people away and not letting them back on out parole. We all know Detroit violent crimes are typically committed by a certain group of repeating offenders. Detroit needs to get these people out of the way for awhile. Keep those sweeps of probation and parole violaters going, get them off the street. We see them do these sweeps every so often, with remarkable success. Instead of the next big city project, or big tax break for some company, throw a few million at extra officers and cars. Get the FBI to help. Make it so high profile that people throughout SE Michigan hear about it and see what the city is doing to combat crime. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 2052 Registered: 10-2006 |
They need to revise the population numbers (based on the refigured census) for Detroit. Then the city won't be number one. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 685 Registered: 05-2005 |
Isn't something like 50% of violent crime committed by repeat offenders? It seems that a pretty simple solution to reduce crime dramatically is to keep those motherfuckers locked up. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 2055 Registered: 10-2006 |
Yeah, many states don't have parole. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4640 Registered: 10-2004 |
quote: Typical brain-dead response... Play games with the (probably under-reported, as it is) crime stats. Notice the cited poster's flaw in critical thinking: The "refigured" statistical adjustment (not a census, BTW) did not add as much as 8% to the Census Bureau's adjustment made in 2006. So, that accounting ploy couldn't mathematically achieve that poster's goal... quote: | ||
321brian Member Username: 321brian Post Number: 504 Registered: 02-2006 |
Everyone knows it suburban residents coming in to the city and committing all of these crimes and immediately leaving. It's the same reason insurance rates are so high in the city. Detroit: Motor vehicle theft: 22,917 Philly: Motor vehicle theft: 11,657 Why does everyone on this site think insurance companies overcharge Detroiters? You live in a city with a ton of car thefts. Your car is there every day. Figure it out. Sure people come in to the city and get their car stolen but their car isn't there for the percentage of time as someone who lives in the city is. Detroit residents can't possibly be blamed for this. | ||
Jjaba Member Username: Jjaba Post Number: 5613 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is this a story about the Eastside of Detroit? jjaba. | ||
Eric Member Username: Eric Post Number: 1000 Registered: 11-2004 |
quote: Check out the 2006 stats from the National Insurance Crime Bureau. Las Vegas, Phoenix, Seattle all have higher per capita rates than Detroit. https://www.nicb.org//HotSpots /index1.html Maybe we think we're being overcharged, because we live in city that isn't even in the top ten for auto theft, but pays the highest rates in the nation. Figure it out | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 258 Registered: 07-2007 |
Doesn't Michigan lock up a higher percentage of offenders than other states? This is one of the reasons that the state spends more on corrections than on higher ed. So how's that strategy working out for us? | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 3700 Registered: 10-2003 |
Regardless, Detroit needs to clean up its streets. Maybe Michigan does lock up a higher percentage, but it would help Detroit continue its revival if a bold move was made to change perceptions. Sweep through the entire city and lock 'em up, the cops already know who they are. As the stories keep coming out about the dropping crime rates, more people and businesses will consider moving to Detroit. Hopefully at some point, should the police surge become unsustainable, the city itself will have improved enough that crime will naturally be less. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 686 Registered: 05-2005 |
"Doesn't Michigan lock up a higher percentage of offenders than other states? This is one of the reasons that the state spends more on corrections than on higher ed. So how's that strategy working out for us?" Who are you, the Mayor of DumbFuckistan? Let's seeeeeee. Michigan has the number one and number three most violent cities in the country... Clearly we are not locking up enough of the scum and keeping them there. | ||
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000 Post Number: 352 Registered: 06-2005 |
This issue was just covered on NPR's "In the Media." Apparently the FBI data source says it would be misleading to use this data to compare cities. This also came across the AP -- "You're not comparing apples and oranges; you're comparing watermelons and grapes," said Rob Casey, who heads the FBI section that puts out the Uniform Crime Report that provides the data for the Quitno report. The FBI posted a statement on its Web site criticizing such use of its statistics. "These rough rankings provide no insight into the numerous variables that mold crime in a particular town, city, county, state, or region," the FBI said. "Consequently, they lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting communities and their residents." | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 3701 Registered: 10-2003 |
Who cares. Crime is a problem. Crime is perceived by anybody thinking of moving their family or business to Detroit as a problem. It is not all bad data and incomplete data and unfair comparisons. It is real. Every time one of these reports comes out, some people try to discredit it and say it is "unfair" in some way. I love Detroit too, that's why I want to see a major police crackdown, with a lot of parole/probation sweeps. These people are not only themselves a problem, but they influence other crime like a disease. Cut out the tumors and give the city a chance to heal. | ||
Psychgrad Member Username: Psychgrad Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2004 |
In response to Futurecity, we may not be locking up the violent offenders and especially the repeat violent offenders long enough. However, we do spend more on the jails than higher ed which is messed up regardless of how violent parts of the state might be. Maybe longer terms for the violent and get rid of the mandatory minimums for nonviolent crimes. 20 years for a persons third time getting charged with possession - seems a tad harsh.... | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2221 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: Maybe that's why Michigan has the number one and number three city on the list? | ||
Psychgrad Member Username: Psychgrad Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2004 |
quote: Maybe that's why Michigan has the number one and number three city on the list? I'd say it is at least a big factor. The problem keeps getting bigger if we only treat the consequence (jail) instead of treating the origin of the problem. Difficult however, when the problem is so big and so many resources have to be devoted to it. It will take a real restructuring of things such as changes in punishment for non-violent offenders (ex: follow others states leads in drug punishment - years for possession is $$$ when rehab and therapy is far cheaper and in many, will keep the problem from happening again) and priority in funding higher ed, more police walking a beat, after school programs etc. | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 754 Registered: 09-2007 |
"Is this a story about the Eastside of Detroit?" I'm afraid it's the Westside this time Jjaba. | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 687 Registered: 05-2005 |
What is the origin of the problem psycgrad? | ||
Psychgrad Member Username: Psychgrad Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2004 |
Alot of things. But crime is going to thrive where people don't have enough alternatives, be it educational, available jobs, or a supportive community. | ||
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn Post Number: 644 Registered: 04-2006 |
yet one more reason the NYTIMES is considered a serious paper: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.c om/2007/11/20/detroit-most-dan gerous-or-most-disrespected/in dex.html?hp | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 3874 Registered: 12-2005 |
Andylinn, thanks. Great link. Great picture too. |
