Aiw Member Username: Aiw
Post Number: 6437 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 12:27 pm: | |
From today's Windsor Star - Local columnist Gord Henderson:
quote:Borderline crazy Gord Henderson Windsor Star Tuesday, November 20, 2007 It's appalling that Canadians are fighting and dying in the hills of Afghanistan to protect America's back from real terrorists, while here at home even our life-and-death cardiac cases are treated as mortal threats to U.S. security. We used to be best friends and first-rate neighbours. As close and cuddly as Tennessee cousins. Now Canadians have to wonder if we're even seen as allies in the global fight against terrorism, given the outrageous treatment U.S. border guards gave CAW Local 444 executive Rick Laporte and, it turns out, at least nine other Windsor area residents over the last two years. Does it get any more sickening than this -- that an ambulance carrying a critically ill heart attack patient, who had to be shocked back to life twice, should be sent to secondary inspection for I.D. confirmation instead of being flagged through or given a high-speed escort? Maybe Laporte was lucky. At least they didn't ship him off to Syria for further grilling. What kind of dolts would squander three minutes to question an ambulance driver, in a medical crisis where every moment is precious, when an individual's life hangs by a thread? That's damn scary because the next time it could be your loved ones or mine needing the kind of emergency medical help that's not always available in a small, underserviced city like Windsor. To say this was unneighbourly would be an understatement. We are not the Taliban. We are not, most of us, al-Qaida. But more and more, that's how we're treated at the border, as intruders who could be lugging dirty bombs. SCARRED BY 9-11 No question about it. Americans were scarred by 9-11. It left them hyper-suspicious and created a siege mentality. But when did common sense go out the window? I mean, who in their right mind (apart from those who watch too much TV) would see an ambulance, with siren wailing and lights flashing, as a brilliant way for terrorists to slip through and unleash mayhem on America? What's going on in the minds of U.S. border guards? What was once the friendliest country in the world is now guarded by zealous, leather-gloved individuals who, it appears, couldn't crack a smile or engage in small talk to save their souls. I don't mind them being thorough. That's their job. But why are so many Canadians getting the Big Brother, big chill vibes? Like we're all from terrorist-loving Canuckistan. Here's the crazy thing. While these guys hassle our heart attack victims and block Quebec firefighters from helping their U.S. neighbours, much of the border remains a go-as-you-please zone for terrorists. On the same day we learned of Laporte's mistreatment, it was revealed that three of four U.S. government security test runs involving the smuggling of weapons-grade uranium at remote border locations had been successful. In other words, the U.S. is still a sitting duck. And these guys are wasting time and resources interrogating ambulance drivers in downtown Detroit? It makes no sense. Windsor MP Brian Masse, NDP critic for transport and Canada-U.S. relations, told me the Laporte case is just one particularly outrageous example of ever-tightening U.S. border controls. Masse, who has been swamped with complaints from constituents, especially commuters, about poor treatment by U.S. border guards, said the fact there are now American gunboats on the Great Lakes speaks volumes about how circumstances have altered. The irony, said Masse, is that many commuters, including those from Muslim countries, work as doctors and nurses in Detroit and spend their days saving American lives while enduring security nightmares at the border. "They're contributing to the American economy and saving Americans every day of the week," fumed Masse as he called for creation of a border authority and the appointment of an ombudsman to handle border beefs. Remember how generous Canadians were in the aftermath of 9-11? People in places like Gander, Nfld., opened their hearts and their homes to thousands of stranded American travellers. People in Windsor and other Canadian cities lined up to donate blood, money and blankets. The American flag was flying everywhere in Windsor. And this is how they return the favour? By holding up ambulances on mercy runs? Talk about ingratitude. ghenderson@thestar.canwest.com © The Windsor Star 2007 http://www.canada.com/windsors tar/columnists/story.html?id=b 3e69336-5367-4e3a-902f-16ef31c 7960f |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 1703 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 12:36 pm: | |
"If you are a black male, and are adventurous, you could always tell the Canadian border guards that you are here to score with some white Canadian chicks!" lol, I'll have to try that next time. |
Unclefrank Member Username: Unclefrank
Post Number: 124 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 12:43 pm: | |
Hey Mayor, be careful they don't just toss you in the river! :-) |
Karval Member Username: Karval
Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 12:48 pm: | |
Crossing the Detroit/Windsor border as a legal greencard holder has become ridiculously painful. I get hauled in for questioning everytime.I have lived in countries that have suffered years of terrorism(Ireland and the UK) yet their border agents can still do their job while treating people with civility. My spouse is a Detroit police officer and last time we crossed they also searched our vehicle. We would like to visit our Windsor friends more often but it's just not worth the hassle and degradation. |
Unclefrank Member Username: Unclefrank
Post Number: 125 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 1:43 pm: | |
I think if the border guards behaved in Ireland, and other countries, like they do here, the population would be actively trying to blow them up. Here, they take our sheep like complience for granted. |
Terryh Member Username: Terryh
Post Number: 572 Registered: 11-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 3:57 pm: | |
From my experience in the past, Port Huron guards are much more welcoming and friendly.Me and friends-girlfriends have an encountered lots of unnecessary antagonisms and rudeness from pouty childlike guards on the Detroit side. There is an 800 number posted for complaints on the inside of one of the buildings. Behaving in a disrespectful authoritarian manner isn't going to stop terrorism. |
Trainman Member Username: Trainman
Post Number: 569 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 5:20 pm: | |
Does anyone know if one can cross into Canada on a public bus still with I.D.'s? What I.D.s are needed? and stuff? I like to take SMART/DDOT downtown on Michigan Ave since I can park for free in a safe parking lot. I think it would be nice to jump on a Windsor bus and visit Canada. Has any of you DY'ers done this? How can this be done, if any of you know? |
Aiw Member Username: Aiw
Post Number: 6438 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 5:29 pm: | |
Trainman, yes it's possible. The Tunnel Bus has a stop behind Mariner's Church. You'll need proof of citizenship. Birth Certificate and photo id like a driver's license would be fine. If you have a passport, that will work too. |
Craig Member Username: Craig
Post Number: 482 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 5:32 pm: | |
Wait a minute. Does Trainman own a car? |
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou
Post Number: 1704 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 5:36 pm: | |
Yeah what the hell? |
Douglasm Member Username: Douglasm
Post Number: 965 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 6:16 pm: | |
Border story..... On our last trip up to British Columbia, we couldn't find our birth certificate, voter registration or anything. The Washington (state) county we live in is vote by mail, so we grabbed our ballots, figuring that you have to be a citizen of the U.S. to vote, right? We got up to the Oroville border crossing, and Canadian customs wouldn't let us in (the theory being the U.S. wouldn't let us back). I grabbed the ballots, still in their envelopes from the auditor's office and said something like "Here. You have to be a citizen to vote, don't you? And besides, if you open up either ballot, you'll find my name listed as a candidate. That should prove citizenship, shouldn't it?" It did. We got in. Had no trouble getting back, either. BTW, I was running for a city council seat. I won. Helps if you're unopposed...... |
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 686 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 7:11 pm: | |
i like the fact that they are vigilant and confrontational at times. I don't like that they have no standard guidelines as t what they are held accountable to. It gives politicians wiggle room when shit goes bad. |
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 782 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 7:16 pm: | |
Trainman, what happened to those 2 comments I loved? |
Trainman Member Username: Trainman
Post Number: 571 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 11:43 pm: | |
Detroitrise, this is THE Motor City Which part of Motor City do you not understand? |
Cynknight Member Username: Cynknight
Post Number: 99 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 3:24 am: | |
Sorry everyone's having such a tough time crossing the border. I go over 1-5 times a year to visit family. Here's a good story. My mom and I were taking beer over to our cousins as it's still cheaper in the US. The Canadian border guard asked if we had anything to declare. I said "Yes, we're bringing some beer over as a gift for my cousin." The guard said "No you're not - it's for you to drink." I said "No, I don't drink a lot of beer." Long story short, he informed me that from now on I'm taking the beer over for me to drink because it's illegal to take it over as a gift. And off we went. Nice guy. |
Detroitbill Member Username: Detroitbill
Post Number: 385 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 9:17 am: | |
I cross almost every workday for work into Canada. The behavior on the part of the US customs agents is getting way out of hand. I travel through the Nexus lanes ( pre cleared, pre reviewed) and they lately have been extremely belligerent. I carry a freezer tote always in my car to carry cold/warm things.. I explained to the officer I had this and he promptly sneared at me . " I suppose you carry to this to stash dope right" and he wasnt being funny. In my opinion just plain stupid. Yesterday I was pulled over ( from the Nexus lane yet) for a compliance search of my vehicle. I have no problem with that but when I asked the booth agent which lane to pull in he promptly told me to "shutup I havent punched the right lane in yet" whatever that meant. This behavior is down right obnoxious. Little wonder we have the reputation we have abroad with morons like this manning the country borders. |
Goat Member Username: Goat
Post Number: 9946 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 10:12 am: | |
What is with the crackdown on food in lunches or for tail-gating? I thought the beef ban was lifted? Hell, you can't bring anything other than pork. I have been told by one officer chicken is prohibited but told by another that it was o.k. Again, no protocols... |
Aiw Member Username: Aiw
Post Number: 6441 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 12:48 pm: | |
In the past three years I have been through customs and immigration in Canada, USA, England, France, Germany, Belgium and Switzerland. The US border is in a league of its own. It has a much more "military checkpoint" type feeling and mentality than anywhere else I've been to. Nothing compares to it. |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 368 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 12:48 pm: | |
Quote: Like we're all from terrorist-loving Canuckistan Canuckistan - funny! Here is my border crossing horror story: My girlfriend (now my wife) was studying in Canada and is from Europe. She was coming to visit me at the end of her year there for a month. She took the train in to Windsor and I went to pick her up there. We made the huge mistake of trying to cross back over the bridge. We were pulled over for secondary inspection and the US guards were supreme assholes. They turned us back because my girlfriend's ticket back to Europe did not have a return date on it. She did have a return train ticket to Montreal, but that wasn't good enough. So we went back to a hotel in Windsor and borrowed their fax machine to get a print out from her travel agent affirming that the plane ticket was booked for a specific date. Unfortunately, the travel agent just send us a print out of her computer screen, which the border guards couldn't figure out ("I need this in English")so they sent us back again. They threatened to impound my truck if I came over again without the proper paperwork. When I asked them with what right they could impound my truck, she said the "Alien smuggling Act". When I asked to see a copy of said bullshit Act, she called her supervisor. He told us that he would could get in trouble if we didn't start obeying their orders. My blood was boiling at this time, but my girlfriend was in tears so I just wanted to get this over as soon as possible. So back we went to the hotel to get another fax that stated very clearly that the tickets was booked for a specific date and back we went again. By this time, it was about 3 am and everyone else in line was stone drunk. The drunks got waived through and we had to stop again. Finally, they had to let us through. So, we ended up crossing five times to get through. Each time, the Canadians were professional and polite. Each time the US guards were total assholes. This was before September 11th, though. I am sorry to hear that the Canadians have changed. Oh, and for the stupid comments of "well, if you don't like it then don't go" - the problem is the randomness of it. I had crossed the border many times with my girlfriend and never had the slightest problem. Each time, the return train ticket was good enough. Why would I think they were going to harass us that time? After all, we were just students with no police record. I even had a security clearance at that time because I had interned at the State Department. I haven't crossed the border since. We used to go to Boston or to Niagra Falls through Canada, but now we take the long way around. It is a shame that Canadians are losing my tourist dollars because of the US border guards but I will not subject myself to that again. The Detroit border crossing has a reputation of being the worst or one of the worst in the US. Also, this extends to the airport and to the immigration offices once someone is in the country. Just talk to a local immigration lawyer. How might that effect Detroit when an international company looks to locate their business? (Message edited by nainrouge on November 21, 2007) |
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge
Post Number: 369 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 12:54 pm: | |
I agree with Aiw. I have been through immigration in Germany, France, the Czech Republic, South Africa, Mozambique and probably some others that I have forgotten. The only border crossing experience that is comparable to the experience that I have each time returning home was in East Germany when it was still East Germany. Even then, the guards were more professional and polite - just very scary. |
Aiw Member Username: Aiw
Post Number: 6442 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 1:10 pm: | |
I will add however that my experience with US Customs at reverse customs airports in Canada is generally better than land crossings. The Agents in Vancouver were downright pleasant. However if I lived on the West Coast I would be much happier too... |
Goat Member Username: Goat
Post Number: 9956 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 6:15 pm: | |
I am sure they were pleasant. Except the police were a bit extreme tazering that Polish fellow to death in Vancouver's airport. |
401don Member Username: 401don
Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 8:18 pm: | |
All I can say is it's a good thing 'ol Chilly Willy made his run for the border in 1990. If he tries tomorrow he's likely to get shot by Border Patrol from both sides. HAPPY THANKSGIVING! |
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz
Post Number: 3871 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 8:42 pm: | |
Peaceful protesters invited by 5 members of the Canadian Parliament were banned from entering Canada because the FBI included them on their no entry list. |
Walkerpub Member Username: Walkerpub
Post Number: 188 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 10:09 pm: | |
Fortress America: While I do not doubt that Canadian Customs can be real arseholes, after travelling all over the planet and going back and forth across the straits for years, my 2 cents says US Customs at these two crossings may be the worst on the continent. The news only gets worse going forward: U.S. tightens screening of Canadians with visas Last Updated: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 | 1:03 PM ET CBC News Canadians entering the United States with visas will have to scan 10 digits rather than just two under a newly expanded security program launching later in November. Under the current US-VISIT program, Canadians and others entering the United States on visas must scan both index fingers and have a digital photograph taken by a border official. Canadians engaged to marry U.S. citizens must also go through the process, and the U.S. has announced that Canadian students and nurses working in the U.S. will also be subject to the screening. Washington now plans to install a new line of 10-fingerprint scanners at all 311 Canada-U.S. ports of entry by the end of 2008. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/ 2007/11/21/fingerprints-border .html |
Malcovemagnesia Member Username: Malcovemagnesia
Post Number: 58 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 7:57 am: | |
1) Treating visitors like criminals is no way to to encourage a pleasant experience in the first place people set foot on US soil. 2) Every time "homeland security" tightens the screws like this, other governments are more likely to follow suit and do the same to visitors from the U.S. |
Fastcarsfreedom Member Username: Fastcarsfreedom
Post Number: 194 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 11:24 am: | |
It isn't ILLEGAL to cross the border with beer as a gift, it just may be subject to tax on import. |
Lowell Board Administrator Username: Lowell
Post Number: 4318 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 11:41 am: | |
But Canadians crossing today can get a $20 shopping certificate redeemable at any Taubman shopping center. Bring on them Loonies. I'd bet the guards on the the Canadian side are having a field day ripping apart the little guys' Christmas packages, while truckloads of duty-free big corporation trucks grind past them. Demand a free passage treaty now. Mr. Harper, Mr. Bush. Tear down this wall! |
Eriedearie Member Username: Eriedearie
Post Number: 206 Registered: 08-2007
| Posted on Friday, November 23, 2007 - 11:25 pm: | |
They would have had to give me more than a $20 certificate to cross on Black Friday! We were up in Windsor and drove by the bridge. Traffic was lined up all the way across. 90 minute waits to get back into Windsor this evening. No thanks - I've been there and done that too many times. I'm much older and wiser now. You can be sure the Canada Customs Officers had attitudes up the whazoo tonight. I can just about hear Revenue Canada's cash registers ringin' up the taxes! Lowell you are so right "Mr. Harper, Mr. Bush. Tear down this wall!" |
Subterranean Member Username: Subterranean
Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 5:48 am: | |
I just cross at Port Huron whenever possible. A lot less congested, and the folks tend to be a whole lot nicer. |