  Mcp001 Member Username: Mcp001 Post Number: 3097 Registered: 11-2003 |
No, I'm not making this up. She's actually demonstrating that she cannot lead. Hopefully, she'll take the next logical step and resign! | ||
Alan55 Member Username: Alan55 Post Number: 799 Registered: 09-2005 |
Right after Fat Johnny admits he got his EDS executive job by shoveling state contracts to them. | ||
Mcp001 Member Username: Mcp001 Post Number: 3098 Registered: 11-2003 |
No one said that Johnny had any talent either. But at least he didn't outright hand over operations to a COO because of it. | ||
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia Post Number: 1119 Registered: 10-2003 |
Its not that she hired a COO that's so ridiculous, its the fact that she skipped the crisis management, business savvy guy for the President of the Roundtable on Diversity and Inclusion, .... again ignoring the business community's recommendations. She has a tin ear for the requirements of growth and the encouragement of business positive policies. The only thing we can hope to do during Granholm's remaining time is survive and try to prosper under the raider (much like the British during WW2 bombings). | ||
401don Member Username: 401don Post Number: 99 Registered: 11-2007 |
Nancy Schlicting and Cynthia Pasky were overheard to say, "Boys, she's one dumb broad." (Message edited by 401don on November 29, 2007) | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1526 Registered: 02-2005 |
Alan, Engler left EDS more than 3 years ago. When will the left stop blaming him for all of Michigan's woes (he's been gone 5 years) and start demanding performance from Granholm? | ||
Tigers2005 Member Username: Tigers2005 Post Number: 154 Registered: 02-2005 |
How about we start demanding that our State House and Senate get off of their asses and get something done. I don't think Granholm has done a great job, but I think that the State Legislature doesn't take nearly as much heat as it should. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3163 Registered: 06-2004 |
When will the right recognize that Michigan's problems were inevitable given the lack of business diversity and the never ending focus on only the bottom line? | ||
Tigers2005 Member Username: Tigers2005 Post Number: 157 Registered: 02-2005 |
^^^Concur. And acknowledge that this Governor has cut more costs than her predecessors. | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 1196 Registered: 04-2005 |
wow, the hallmark of the worst management structures - adding another manager to the ranks when things aren't going well. this move will: 1. cost the state more 2. add a layer of indecision 3. insulate idiots from culpability 4. form the need for even more staff terrible. i can only wonder, what is the coo candidate's stance on making michigan a right-to-work state? | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3164 Registered: 06-2004 |
^^^You don't own a business, do you? | ||
Thecarl Member Username: Thecarl Post Number: 1198 Registered: 04-2005 |
lilpup, i'm going to assume that your "^^^" identifies me as the target of your (however oblique) question. yes, i do own a business. in fact, i own more than one. ^^^what is your point? | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3166 Registered: 06-2004 |
You don't seem to have much faith in your managers. | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1527 Registered: 02-2005 |
Lilpup, didn't the state of Michigan elect Granholm to manage the state? Thecarl is right, a true leader doesn't add another layer of management to further insulate him/herself from those making day to day decisions. What's clear is that Granholm has never run a business, or anything else for that matter. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3167 Registered: 06-2004 |
insulate? use as a sounding board? assist with increased activity of the Executive if she wants to take on more tasks? deal with Michigan's misogynistic character? Michigan's one of the worst states in the country for women - high rates of domestic violence and rape, among the worst in wage parity - seems to go along with the piggy businessmen culture. | ||
Jiminnm Member Username: Jiminnm Post Number: 1529 Registered: 02-2005 |
Sounding board? How many folks are in her cabinet? How many has she appointed to departmental jobs? How many are already on her staff? If those groups can't provide the sounding board she needs, then she's hired the wrong people. By your standard, maybe she should hire a flock of folks to cover her butt. If she, as Governor, can't handle the tasks you laid out (although your reasons don't have a whole lot to do with the rationale expressed for even having a COO), then she shouldn't be in office. These are the jobs we should expect our political leaders to do, including those you laid out. I see this act as a simple admission that she cannot perform her responsibilities as governor (not to mention adding yet another high paid state employee). (Message edited by jiminnm on November 29, 2007) | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3168 Registered: 06-2004 |
So give us the rundown since you think you're so well versed, what exactly does she do and not do as Governor? | ||
Mwilbert Member Username: Mwilbert Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2007 |
I don't see what bringing in a COO has to do with leading--a COO is supposed to manage the operations of an organization, not provide the vision. In reality, no governor can really manage the operations of a state, because such a high proportion of a governor's time is spent on ceremonial duties and fundraising. However, it seems to me that adding a high-visibility. presumably well-paid position at this time sends the wrong message, and I would think it would have been wiser to bring such a person into an existing position like chief of staff and adjusting that position's responsibilities. Although the Governor has not been very effective, partly because she ran purely on personality, and so had no mandate to do anything in particular; partly because the legislature hasn't exactly been cooperative; partly because Michigan's economic situation doesn't exactly give her a lot of running room; and partly because she doesn't seem willing to take political risks, by my count only half of those are her fault. At this point, it may be too late for her to redeem herself, but I certainly hope she can and if appointing a COO smooths out her dealings with the business community, it will be a worthwhile thing to have done. However, if anyone thinks that having a COO is going to stop blame (or credit) for whatever happens from attaching to her, that person is living on another planet. Whatever you think of her, she is far too smart to believe that either. | ||
Tigers2005 Member Username: Tigers2005 Post Number: 158 Registered: 02-2005 |
And for all of the Granholm-haters, she may be gone at the beginning of '09 if a democrat wins the presidency and nominates her as Attorney General. I have heard rumors of this, but it seems like putting the cart ahead of the horse to me. | ||
Hpgrmln Member Username: Hpgrmln Post Number: 296 Registered: 06-2007 |
Granholm- Canadas Worst gift to the USA Granholm-Worse than W!! (I love stirring the pot with that one) | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6843 Registered: 02-2004 |
Don't blame Garnaholm for Michigan's economic mess. She is doing her job to save this state from 900 million dollar budget shortfall. Even she have to cut national park maintenance, raise taxes. Engler dump his mess to Granholm so blame him. I'm glad that Dick DeVos NEVER became govenor, than Michigan will a nightmare place to live for all of the poor and low-income folks. | ||
Irish_mafia Member Username: Irish_mafia Post Number: 1121 Registered: 10-2003 |
"When will the right recognize that Michigan's problems were inevitable given the lack of business diversity and the never ending focus on only the bottom line?" Never. Because its not true. Granholm has had 5 years to provide proactive leadership and move this State in a positive direction. She has failed miserably. There is no need to be a lemming. We will succeed as a city and a state by proactively getting things done... not by whining that it is not our fault!.... as Granholm and her whacked-out supporters apparently continue to do. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 409 Registered: 08-2007 |
I swear, folks on this board watched the "School House Rock" version of how a bill becomes law and you think you know the legislative process. http://www.school-house-rock.c om/Bill.html Like him or hate him, John Engler was the single most effective Governor in state history because he knew how to manipulate the legislative process. You have to understand that John Engler served his entire adult life in either the House or Senate before he became Governor. He grew up watching Joe Mack and Dominic Jacobetti ram-rod bills through their committees. He learned all the back alley ways that bills are introduced, pushed thru committee, submitted on the House floor thru the Senate and onto the Governor's desk. He knew the process because he did each one. He knew what time of day, day of week and time of year that certain powerful lobbies where out of town or busy getting a buzz on. Want to get something done? Introduce a bill on a Thursday afternoon when all the Metro Detroit and UP Democrats are heading back home. Or early on a Tuesday morning after the traditional monday night drunkfest at the Knight Cap funded by the teacher's union. Jennifer Granholm, by contrast, has been manipulated by the process because it doesn't run in her veins. No one on her team, beside Cherry, has any legislative experience and Cherry is no intelluctual giant. Ms. Granholm has been playing the entire game on her heels; hasn't been proactive and has helped grease the banana peels our economy has been standing on. Sorry to say, Ms. Granholm has been a waste of money. If you think I'm defending John Engler, you are incorrect; you may even think John Engler as the f-ing devil in a size 52 Short, you may even be able to point to specific actions that have harmed our dear State; but those insights simply fail to recognise that John Engler got his stuff done, because he knew how to get the job done. Jenny don't. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 966 Registered: 11-2003 |
"And for all of the Granholm-haters, she may be gone at the beginning of '09 if a democrat wins the presidency and nominates her as Attorney General." Abandoning a sinking ship would be a great PR move for her. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 6844 Registered: 02-2004 |
"Like him or hate him, John Engler was the single most effective Governor in state history because he knew how to manipulate the legislative process." YEAH RIGHT! "Never. Because its not true. Granholm has had 5 years to provide proactive leadership and move this State in a positive direction. She has failed miserably." NONSENSE! Granholm did a great job staying the course for Michigan's future. Please don't blame her. You all people think that your favorite political leader is going to reform this changing society. Look again! You all have to look at their principles before you all decide. Most of you all choose Bush 2 because his conservative charm but at the end this nation paid the price for the unecessary invasion of Iraq. Detroit's choose KING KWAME KILLpatrick for his HOP HIP IMAGE. But at the end he acted like Emperor Nero, partying in the Manoogian Mansion. While Detroit burned KING KWAME fiddled with a Red Lincoln Navigator. But we gave him a second chance and the out comes the Party in the the Manoogian Trail that resulted into millions of dollars that We Detroiters have to pay out of our pockets and the 400 million dollar budget shortfall that has to be cleared before recievership comes. So the next time vote for your favorite popular leader, LOOK AT THEIR PRINCIPLES! | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 298 Registered: 07-2007 |
Engler had the benefit of running the state when state's economy was humming along. That allowed him to buy off votes with pork barrel spending and allowed legislators to increase spending and cut taxes! When money is pouring in, you can pull stunts like that but it's hardly a model of good management. When the national economy started to tank in 2000 with the dot-comm bubble burst, Engler's house of cards started to collapse. Pundits blamed the turmoil and budget messes of his last 2 years on people feeling like he had overstayed his time in office. But the truth is that when the money got tight, he could no longer rely on the tricks that he had used for most of his time in office. | ||
Digitalvision Member Username: Digitalvision Post Number: 463 Registered: 11-2003 |
I understand Gnome's point - I think why he was reviled so much by those who opposed him is that he was very effective at getting his agenda through. You don't hate the harmless guy... you hate the guy who can hurt your position, and that's what Engler could do. Although I like the idea of a COO, and this should not be a knock on the person doing the job and his skill sets, but he has the wrong skill sets and wrong background. Bringing someone from the non-profit sector sounds like to me, the blind leading the blind. There are plenty of democrat business owners out there, and that would of been a much better choice. | ||
Mcp001 Member Username: Mcp001 Post Number: 3099 Registered: 11-2003 |
You haven't been paying attention to the budget for all the years Granholm has been in office, have you, Tigers2005. Every year has seen an increase in her budgets. Not exactly the sign of someone who cuts spending. quote: Danny, this sound suspiciously like the guv's insistence that taxes must be increased, especially in during a single-state recession. And just what'll what happens when this new "service" tax hits the fan. This is not an indicator of someone who has cut costs, regardless of what her spin-people tell you. | ||
Southwestmap Member Username: Southwestmap Post Number: 939 Registered: 01-2005 |
By all accounts, Krichbaum is a fine man - but what would make anyone think that he's the sort of person who should be the State's chief operating officer. First: he's certainly part of the gray-hair crowd (what happened to being "cool"?)at, at least, 65 years of age. He was,for all of the Coleman Young administration, the head of Parks & Rec. Then he went to Channel 56 for awhile and then went to the Roundtable - to say that he "understands business" is just ridiculous. With the exception of his short stint at Channel 56 (was he even the boss?) he has worked within the very forgiving non-profit and governmental budget sectors. Irish mafia says that Granholm has a "tin ear" and that is obviously true. I'm just amazed that she passed over some strong business candidates for Krichbaum. Is it because he's more conciliatory and "feminine"? | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3172 Registered: 06-2004 |
It's more likely because he has vision wider than the bottom line. That's characteristic of non-profits, not for profit businesses. Non-profits often have smaller shoestrings to function on, too. |
