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Username: E_hemingway
Post Number: 1406
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 11:24 pm: |    |
It won't be the Detroit/Ann Arbor commuter rail line. SEMCOG is moving slow on that one.
Maybe the CCS campus expansion to the Argonaut Building?
CCS cleared to start Argonaut project
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=2007711170310 |
Detroitrise
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Post Number: 762
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 11:27 pm: | |
He said a Downtown site. Besides, that has already been made public. |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 763
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2007 - 11:27 pm: | |
Like I said, it's probably about Gilbert and his Broadway Parking Garage and Lafayette plans. |
Fnemecek
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Username: Fnemecek
Post Number: 2602
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 12:19 pm: | |
quote:Don't these sort of "communities" just come about on their own? You cannot make an artificial ethnic enclave.
Well, you can but it's not very effective from an economic standpoint. The one thing that can be done is branding and marketing the ethnic enclaves that do exist. A Korean Town or Caldean Village project could do that.
quote:I'm still thinking that a new Hockey Arena at the corner of the Lodge and Grand River is a very distinct possibility.
I agree. Word I heard over the weekend was that the new hockey arena is going to be called the Motown Toyota Center. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2783
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 12:45 pm: | |
"RenShore Condo tower maybe?"
Again, this has already been announced, as has the Watermark...
and I really don't think that even Kwame would consider the commencing of construction for an already announced project a "big announcement"...
It's gotta be something new... |
Rjlj
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Username: Rjlj
Post Number: 424
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 1:01 pm: | |
The announcement will be something new. Kwame said that there would be two announcements, one being something we have been hearing about for a while (i.e. the Quicken Loans announcement) and the other being something brand new. |
Detroitpetanque
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Username: Detroitpetanque
Post Number: 11
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 1:41 pm: | |
Anonymous insiders state that Kwame is going to announce:
DETROIT is the #1 most dangerous city in the nation - mainly in part to his staff and his own personal efforts.
Then he'll fire off twin Mach-10 machine pistols into the audience to ensure that Detroit STAYS #1 for years to come.
Congratulations |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 778
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 19, 2007 - 1:43 pm: | |
Remind you all, Kwame said a DOWNTOWN SITE IN THE WORKS. Now it's turning into a dreamland thread. |
Informed
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Username: Informed
Post Number: 8
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 12:59 pm: | |
There has been more done by this Mayor in the past 6 years than by the last two Mayor's combined. You should all be thankful that we have a Mayor who is keeping our entire region alive in the eyes of the financial community. Without a strong center city we will die on the vine. Get with it people its Detroit or nothing. |
Downtown_remix
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Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 558
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 1:40 pm: | |
informed is right. look at the numbers. I think we are a bit spoiled by recent development. in he past few years, we have seen miracles within the CBD.
Kwame has had issues, but through every issue, THINGS ARE STILL GETTING DONE. The list of developement has surpassed even the entire state of Michigan. So get off his ass. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2982
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:01 pm: | |
hmmm...under Kwame's predecessors, three new sports stadiums were built, numerous skyscrapers(RenCen, Comerica Tower, 150 W. Jefferson, Millender Center, etc.) were built, three new casinos opened, Compuware moved downtown, Fox theater was renovated, Cobo expansion...the list goes on...
Kwame has a decent commercial and economic development record, but let's be serious...it pales in comparison to CAY's and Archer's....
And don't forget that Kwame is benefiting from many of things that were done under the past administrations, like having millions of dollars of casino gaming tax revenue to play with every day... |
El_jimbo
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Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 418
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:06 pm: | |
Thejesus,
CAY was mayor for how long? I don't think it is fair to compare CAY to either Archer or Kwame. I think right now, Archer and Kwame are good comparisons because they have served almost the same amount of time as mayor. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2983
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:11 pm: | |
well Jimbo, I was actually responding to the comparison another poster made (Kwame v. CAY and Archer combined), but I agree with you...
the jury is still out on Kwame, but its rather silly to think that his development record is anything close to that of CAY's and Archer's at this point |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2364
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:14 pm: | |
quote:Thejesus,
CAY was mayor for how long? I don't think it is fair to compare CAY to either Archer or Kwame. I think right now, Archer and Kwame are good comparisons because they have served almost the same amount of time as mayor.
He was responding to the (absurd) claim that Kilpatrick has done more than both Archer and Young during their administrations. |
El_jimbo
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Username: El_jimbo
Post Number: 419
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:16 pm: | |
sorry. |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2984
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:20 pm: | |
no biggie...btw, seems silly for "Informed" to have resurrected a month-old thread just to post that |
Eric
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Username: Eric
Post Number: 1035
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:41 pm: | |
quote:Kwame has a decent commercial and economic development record, but let's be serious...it pales in comparison to CAY's and Archer's....
I disagree it's just as good if not better. You seem stuck in big project mentality. Sure CAY's may seen bigger buildings built, but you also didn't see the influx of businesses. Things like the streetscape program, facade grants have made downtown a much more inviting to do businesses. More than the previous administrations I think his realized that big projects alone won't bring downtown let alone the city back.
Even in terms of big projects I think Kwame's compares favorably. Let's compare Archer and Kwame since their terms closest in number,
Archer
Compuware
Campus Martius
Casinos(partial credit- got legislation passed, temps construction, but permanent locations were in limbo)
Ford Field
Comerica Park
Kilpatrick
Riverwalk
Book-Cadillac renovation
Fort Shelby renovation
One Kennedy Square
Quicken Loans
Casinos(partial credit- finalized agreement for permanents, construction of permanents)
(Message edited by eric on December 12, 2007) |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 2987
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:48 pm: | |
^the street scape improvement program is one of Kwame's pluses...
but that's a relatively easy program to put together compared to the effort it must have taken to convince investors to build Michigan's tallest hotel and tallest office tower in downtown Detroit during a time when everything was moving north to Troy and Southfield...
the fact that millions in casino gaming revenue are wired to the city daily makes the street scape program a lot more doable too... |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 759
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 2:55 pm: | |
I heard a rumor from the CLEAN Detroit crew.
"bulk waste block parties" |
Eric
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Username: Eric
Post Number: 1036
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 5:02 pm: | |
You're right they took more effort to build, than to start the streetscape program. But which has had the more positive effect? I'd argue the streetscaping, as those projects brought little in terms of spinoff development. Cities function at ground level, businesses aren't going to move in if the surrounding sidewalks are broken and dirty no matter how many nice big building you build. |
Gistok
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Username: Gistok
Post Number: 5883
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 5:13 pm: | |
LOL... that you guys are even arguing over the Informed post. Have you guys even read some of his other posts? 
It's like arguing over something that Danny posted! |
Treelock
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Username: Treelock
Post Number: 246
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 5:13 pm: | |
Points should probably be deducted from Archer's record for the mess he made of Rivertown during his widely unpopular push to locate the permanent casinos there. How many businesses closed or slowly went out of business because of this? |
Detroit313
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Username: Detroit313
Post Number: 579
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 7:24 pm: | |
Eric-
Kennedy One, the Riverwalk and the Book are all a spin-off of the Archer Administration.
Anything that happens to deal with
1. The Hudson Block
2. The Monroe Block
3. The Kennedy Block
Has to do with the preceding Administration. (remember the RENCEN was NOT C.A.Y., but the Cavanagh Administration)
So they should be partial credit to Archer.
The Book's initial investors (Kimberly-Clark) pulled the plug when Archer didn't seek re-election; but may have stayed on if Hindricks won election.
You forgot one more-
Archer lobbied in D.C. for $2 billion for Detroit Public Schools, and slower but surely Archer was rebuilding the infrastructure (of the school system).
Then, when KK took office, and seen that Archer hadn't used all of the fed money yet, used the rest of the money and built a new $ 200 million Cass Tech.
And as far as businesses leaving the river, you can't win them all. I would have liked to see small shops and clubs on the river, but if Detroit had the opportunity to become a destination city for it's riverfront casino/hotel....
Business is business!
<313> |
Karl_jr
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Post Number: 178
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 7:31 pm: | |
New budget director - Short's out White is in! |
Downtown_remix
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Username: Downtown_remix
Post Number: 559
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 8:45 pm: | |
The real truth about the rivertown area is it was nothing but a few bars/restaurants that held on through the cities rapid decline. , Yes several have closed. The original Rino had a sudden fire. The soup kitchen, and a couple others. woodbridge and Franklin street buildings still stand. a few old factories and warehouses are stil sitting in rivertown,empty and waiting for something even greater, without the big casinos, waiting for the love it will get soon. |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 765
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 8:49 pm: | |
^concur with Treelock. Archer(councils )one big mistake. |
Hans57
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Post Number: 244
Registered: 05-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 9:11 pm: | |
I would agree that the Rivertown area will, once again, become another node of entertainment. It has too much to offer to sit dormant.
Some of those buildings are absolutely beautiful, and the opening of the Dequinder Cut will only be a catalyst for development. |
Iheartthed
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Post Number: 2365
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 9:34 pm: | |
Umm, construction on the new Cass Tech began before Kwame Kilpatrick took office. |
Eric
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Post Number: 1039
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 9:50 pm: | |
The Archer admin didn't have a direct hand in the planning or construction of One Kennedy. If nothing had been built since he left, KK would get the blame(rightfully so) so it's only fair to give him the credit
The planning for Riverwalk didn't come about until the entire riverfront casino idea was nixed after KK took office
quote:The Book's initial investors (Kimberly-Clark) pulled the plug when Archer didn't seek re-election; but may have stayed on if Hindricks won election.
Kimberly-Clark didn't even agree to renovate the Book until 2003 after Archer had left.
quote:Archer lobbied in D.C. for $2 billion for Detroit Public Schools, and slower but surely Archer was rebuilding the infrastructure (of the school system).
Then, when KK took office, and seen that Archer hadn't used all of the fed money yet, used the rest of the money and built a new $ 200 million Cass Tech
First, DPS is an independent organization the mayor doesn't have control on how the money is spent. Second, CT wasn't built from lobbied federal money, a $1.5 million school bond was passed in 1994. Finally DPS decided to build a new CT in 2001 a year before KK was elected |
Detroitplanner
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Post Number: 1475
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 9:57 pm: | |
Umm.... The school money came from floating a local millage that paid off bonds. Anyone owning a house at that time got rocked with their property tax bill (causing an quicker movement of folks to the burbs).
I am nearly positive that the federal government does not provide money for capital improvements to school districts. I've just done a search for federal education grants and only found funding for stuff like head start or college loans. |
Granmontrules
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Post Number: 272
Registered: 01-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 10:49 pm: | |
Funny how Archer has been gone for 6 years and people on here still think Archer did everything. |
Granmontrules
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Post Number: 273
Registered: 01-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 10:51 pm: | |
Funny how Archer has been gone for 6 years and people on here still think Archer did everything. And the Book deal was only announced last year. I think that Kilpatrick can safely claim that. Although I am sure that Archer did Quicken. But nothing bad happened during the Archer years. Didn't Kilpatrick let Engler take away our residency for cops and other city employees? Oh wait that was 8 years ago. |
321brian
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Post Number: 512
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:01 pm: | |
Funny how Archer has been gone 6 years and everything that goes wrong is still his fault according to Kwame. |
Jt1
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Post Number: 11010
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2007 - 12:50 am: | |
quote:Funny how Archer has been gone 6 years and everything that goes wrong is still his fault according to Kwame.
Examples please. |
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