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Thegryphon
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Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 6:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just read in the Free Press this morning about the U of M setting up a program to have students spend a semester studying, working and living in downtown Detroit. I thought it was a great idea, giving the up and coming students a chance to see the what our city is about. Youth are less likely to hold negative stereotypes about Detroit than adults, and this kind of program really could break some borders.
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Irish_mafia
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Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 6:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I can see it now, "Dad, I'm going to study abroad in downtown Detroit"

I can appreciate that son. Back in my day, I used to study a broad or two downtown as well.

(In the tradition of the old vaudeville theatres we keep hoping to rehab).
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Ray1936
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Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 7:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rimshots, please....
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Thegryphon
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Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 7:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You study abroad to experience a different culture and lifestyle. Living, working and studying in Detroit is very different than say Ann Arbor, and eye opening. There are other urban studying programs already at other universities in the US.
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Dhugger
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Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 9:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are the students required to get Pass Ports & Visas for this study program?
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El_jimbo
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 9:02 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dhugger,

What about shots? I hear there is a lot of STDs among Detroit's Ladyfolk.
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Elsuperbob
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 10:50 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It'll be interesting to see the turnout for this and from where the majority of those students will come from (locals, Midwesterners, Americans or foreign students).

There are many who do hold negative attitudes of Detroit in the school. They've come for the school and don't really care much for the city and region. And it's been hard to change their opinions from Ann Arbor. Then there are others who think it's a really interesting place and consider Detroit's proximity a great asset to UofM.

Then there are a few of us dreamers who want to see the architecture graduate school (we want to ditch the undergrads) in Detroit rather than out here in Ann Arbor. I'm pretty sure that'll never happen but when we heard about this a few weeks ago we kinda got a moment of inspiration.
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Professorjackson
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 11:10 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's a thought: if you want to learn about a city like Detroit go to university in Detroit at U of D or Wayne and not Ann Arbor.
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Craig
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 12:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

PJ - are you kidding? UofM is a name that opens doors. Wayne gets a person where? Ohio?
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Jjaba
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just proving once again that Ann Arbor is an hr. away from Michigan and NOT a Detroit suburb.
It should surprize nobody that UM would offer this as a Study Abroad project.

jjaba, in Cass Park lurking at these urban explorers.
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Nainrouge
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 1:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If the trend continues, Detroit will soon be a suburb of Ann Arbor...
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Detroit313
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 2:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You know, the way I see it AA is not really a suburb of Detroit, but then again it is.

If you drive to AA via I-94 then it isn't (or doesn't seem to be)

but if you drive via I-96 through Plymouth, then it is.

When I lived in Detroit and my ex attended U of M she told me a short cut that got me from New Center to AA in 25 minutes instead of 45 minutes on 94.

I could get to AA faster from NC than I could get to Pontiac.

<313>
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Mayor_sekou
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 2:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Please stop now before it starts again. I swear if I see another "Is Ann Arbor a suburb" (cue: Citylover) arguments again I am going too... well just not post in that thread. But seriously its annoying.

As for this program I suppose it could be interesting but kind of a downer. When I think of study abroad I think of crossing an ocean and funny accents not downtown Detroit.
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401don
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 4:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hear the Leland will be offering discounted rates. Most rooms come with pets for the lonely frosh.
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Mackinaw
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 5:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have serious problems with them calling this a "semester abroad."

UM has buildings, programs, and a few classes in the city. They like to brag about their very limited involvement in the city where the university originated. This is effectively just an opportunity for students to take all their classes in Detroit (and it will be a certain docket of classes at that)...no need to lump it in with studying abroad. That emphasizes the chasm between the two cities.
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Thegryphon
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 5:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like I said. If it gets people to experience a different culture and lifestyle it should be considered studying abroad. Oceans and country lines mean nothing. I believe it would be an authentic studying experience to study in Detroit. Elsuperbob, this program can be considered a launching pt. to more connections bwn. AA and Detroit.
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Citylover
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 5:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

313 good thing she is your ex..........it is virtually impossible to get from the new center area to a2 in 25 min. It takes 20 minutes to get to the airport from new center and that is a good 20 miles from a2
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Jjaba
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 5:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Citylover tells it like it tis. Even from the Westside, it's atleast 40 minutes to Ann Arbor.
Maybe The Rock can tell us about Football Sarturdays driving from Grosse Pointe.

jjaba.
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Detroitrise
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 6:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ah Jjaba, but Grosse Pointe is Kitty Corner to I-94, so the time is about the same.
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Brian_fitzcarraldo
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 6:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's not a study abroad program, and they're not using that term. U-M already has a Semester in Washington program, which is great for students who want to learn about the federal government. Semester in Detroit is the same thing, but for learning about urban issues.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 6:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detroitrise, jjaba doesn't know the Eastside. Sorry.
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Brian_fitzcarraldo
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 6:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, I never saved much more than five minutes by taking I-96 to Ann Arbor.
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Ro_resident
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 7:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think this will be a great program for the University.

When I went to planning school at U-M, there was a pretty good relationship with the city. I opted for a 2 semester practicum working with a neighborhood group. The annual charrette was just getting started.

As for the CAUP moving to Detroit--I think that isn't such a good idea. One thing that attracted me to U-M was the interdisciplinary aspects of the planning program (full disclosure--I was very fortunate to get funding through the College of Engineering among other programs).

Being on North Campus is isolating enough.
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Carptrash
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 8:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had a student once whose sociology (or something) teacher assigned the students to just drive down Cass Corr at any time, day or night, and my student's parents would not allow it. This could be interesting. Or not. eeeek
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Yelloweyes
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As part of the study abroad program maybe they will figure out the best rout to take to A2 I-96 or I-94. For Downtown A2 I say take 96, but for the Briarwood area go with 94. Football games is a toss-up maybe, 96 so you can avoid some of the congestion.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Friday, November 30, 2007 - 11:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

M-14 is the way to Ann Arbor. Long ago, that was US 14, Plymouth Road. It lays you down right at Zingerman's Delicatessen door.

Gimme the Shecky Greene cb on rye with Russian dressing and a slice of Swiss, pickle, and wash it down with Matzoball soup.
Now that's Fressen!

jjaba.
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Craig
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Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 12:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

jjaba said "Detroitrise, jjaba doesn't know the Eastside. Sorry."

First thing that he's said that is credible -REAL westsiders don't know a damn thing about the east, and the hardcore ones don't want to know. Anyone says jj is full of gavno re: westside, you send 'em to me. Ride on, dude.
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Detroitrise
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Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 12:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, same for us Eastsiders about the Westsiders. You guys can keep that stinky M-14 route. Us eastsiders will be sticking to I-94.
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Detroitrise
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You westsiders are spoiled by all those expressways. All we have is I-94. we use Surface streets over here.
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Tayshaun22
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Posted on Saturday, December 01, 2007 - 1:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Really curious about this shortcut. 96/14 is at least 38 miles from A2 to New Center. Even going 80 that's a 30 min. drive.
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Craig
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Detroit313 - there's a growing crowd of angry villagers: detail your 20-minute route or you'll look like a fool.

I, for one, couldn't get from NC to my west side 'hood in 25 minutes. How in the hell could you get all of the way out to Washtenaw in so little time?
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Locano
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Lawrence Tech currently has a program for third-year architecture students to study downtown. I am actually 'technically' enrolled in it, although this semester classes weren't held downtown due to the closing of the Lodge earlier this fall. I was really disappointed in this, because I was looking forward to being downtown instead of stuck in Southfield all of the time, especially since the Lodge reopened maybe a week or two into the semester.
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English
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Hard sell for students' parents, I am thinking.

I teach in the School of Education and did a "Day in Detroit" this semester. It was a disaster. Everyone signed up but then made excuses as the day approached. The delegation ended up being five students, three GSIs and a prof.
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Bearinabox
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quote:

this semester classes weren't held downtown due to the closing of the Lodge earlier this fall.

Apparently the folks at Lawrence Tech are cartographically challenged.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Sunday, December 02, 2007 - 8:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Craig, you are absolutely right. Apart from the Westside and some downtown stuff, jjaba has given this Forum 5,600 posts of controversy.
For now on, jjaba refers to you.

jjaba, Old timey Westsider delivering the Detroit Times on his bike.
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Charlottepaul
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part of a FREEP OP/ED:

The mission of each university should include three main components: to educate students, to provide research in academic areas of competence, and to offer service to others.

So I was pleased to read in the Detroit Free Press that the University of Michigan is considering coursework, internships and partnering with area community groups in the city of Detroit ("U-M might tap Detroit as living classroom," Nov. 30).

The revitalization of Detroit and its neighborhoods is crucial to the success of the city and to all of Michigan. However, Detroit's urban universities, such as the University of Detroit Mercy, Marygrove College and Wayne State University, have been actively involved in such outreach for decades.

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll /article?AID=/20071204/OPINION 01/712040330/1069
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Detroitplanner
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I was once studying a broad in downtown Detroit, but the cops stopped me for being a pervert.
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Irish_mafia
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Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 8:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

full circle!
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English
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"The revitalization of Detroit and its neighborhoods is crucial to the success of the city and to all of Michigan. However, Detroit's urban universities, such as the University of Detroit Mercy, Marygrove College and Wayne State University, have been actively involved in such outreach for decades."


AMEN!

A South African speaker recently said that Detroit was the University of Michigan's "guilty conscience". While I'm enjoying the Ph.D experience more than I thought I would up here, I hope that my future include teaching and doing research at an urban university. The elite schools are important, but I really miss Wayne State.
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Jjaba
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English, after your expereince at Cass Tech., et. al, Ann Arbor must feel like a Study Aborad program, eh.

jjaba, Westsider.
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Goblue
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Jjaba: I am so sorry about your childhood on the Westside...it had to be a very deprived experience...if only you had been an Eastsider...just teasing...from a Denby TAR '59!

English: A2 is largely detached from reality...I have several dear friends who are university/medical school connected and living in the community...howsomever it is a great place to live and study. I hope that you truly enjoy your doc time...learn...finish your program...do a dissertation that will meet the requirements...and then...go out into the world and make a difference. Early in my career I was on faculty at the University of Alabama-Birmingham...a great urban university that is making a difference in a city that has long known the struggles. You are correct...the urban schools are closer to the cutting edge.
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English
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 9:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jjaba -- I miss Cass Tech more than you know. Whenever I go to visit, I end up teary-eyed. Cass still has wonderful students and an excellent faculty.

Goblue -- thanks for the advice; I can only hope that a lot of professors in my field at urban universities decide to retire in 2010, since it's a nice round number... :-)
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Jjaba
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Goblue, sending props to Denby football teams in the 1950s. Your Italian cheerleaders were really stunning. jjaba, Cass Tech. Printer, 1959.

English, you spoke from the heart. Many of us feel the same way. We regret the failure to keep the old bldg. but jjaba has a wonderful colorized photo of it on his wall.

jjaba, Proudly Westside on the Grand River Electric Bus heading home.
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D_mcc
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I think LTU's Downtown Studio is actually a very important studio, in that, those students participating in the program actually work on real projects that affect the people in the community they are working in under Professor Kim.

The problem with UM's program is they treat it like a study abroad program rather than a program where they can benefit the community through their studies.
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Dhugger
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 10:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jjaba: if I make it past the Detroit border and take a field trip to Ann Arbor will you take me out to lunch at Zingerman's Delicatessen?

Sincerely,
Dhugger
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Dhugger
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On a more serious note I am pleased that U of M and Lawrence Tech are reaching out to the city of Detroit. Build bridges not walls.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 10:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dhugger, jjaba goes no-host at Zingerman's. They get $13 for a Jerry Seinfeld (pastrami, swiss cheese, Russian dressing, pickles, potato salad, and a side of Kreplach.) Add Dr. Brown's Cel-ray soda and you've got a meal.

English, take no offense, but UM is NOT an elite school. It is a state uviversity open to anybody based on merit. Hopefully, you'll meet some rather provincial Uoopers while you're there.
Live in Ann Arbor too long and you'll think eating bean sproats, tofu, and carrot smoothies is universal. Be sure to return to your roots once a month.

jjaba, ordering two on one at Duly's on W. Vernor.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 10:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

English, be sure to go to the Michigan League and ask if they have a men's room yet. Last time jjaba was there, he had to go next door. In a hurry, he pissed on the Burton Tower.
jjaba.

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