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Username: 401don
Post Number: 159
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 - 6:46 pm: |    |
Didn't they used to own the Holiday Inn Express building about 20 years ago? |
Tigers2005
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Username: Tigers2005
Post Number: 172
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 1:26 pm: | |
Etta James!?!
At Last! |
Billk
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Username: Billk
Post Number: 185
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 3:00 pm: | |
I walked by this building on Saturday. There was a poster in the window for a movie showing Det. 15-16. There was a pile of chairs and a couple people inside. On the Woodward side of the building is a historical marker, marking this as the site of the oldest building in Detroit, Ste. Ann's Catholic Church. Construction began on July 24, 1701, the day Antoine Cadillac landed in Detroit. |
Gnome
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Username: Gnome
Post Number: 482
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 10:10 am: | |
Is the Thread below somehow related?
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/118969.html?1196459711 |
Charlottepaul
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Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 2157
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 1:06 pm: | |
LOL, good thought Gnome. Guess only Zephyrprocess can answer that. The building at about 5,500 SF per level and 8 levels would be pretty darn close to the requirement of 40,000 SF. |
Bobj
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Post Number: 3414
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 1:11 pm: | |
good catch Gnome! |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 824
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Friday, December 21, 2007 - 10:35 pm: | |
OMG I hope i'm not responsible for this in any way. |
Newlaster
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Username: Newlaster
Post Number: 226
Registered: 06-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 9:24 pm: | |
The current Church of Scientology-Michigan headquarters is at 12 Mile RD and Middlebelt RD in Farmington Hills.
I drove by it all the time.
Small, average looking office building. I used to see cars from ghetto-looking beaters up to BMWs parked there.
I always wondered what when on in there.... |
Carptrash
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Username: Carptrash
Post Number: 1503
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 10:40 am: | |
So here is the deal. Both churches and banks use fellows with keys and swords as allegorical (or otherwise) symbols. Check out, for example, the Guardian and any number of Peter & Paul churches. Is this coincidence, or . . ...... something else? Anyway, here is CP's guy with a key (among things) and I am wondering who can find (I can't because I'm too far away) the matching one with a sword. There is one in the metalwork, but I'm looking for stone. How 'bout it, Detroiters? eeeeek
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Greatlakes
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Username: Greatlakes
Post Number: 109
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 2:21 am: | |
More details released in the Detroit News:
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/article?AID=/20080105/METRO /801050347 |
Brandon48202
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Username: Brandon48202
Post Number: 206
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 10:57 am: | |
It looks like there was an error in the article- Raymond James had actually been paying around $100,000/year in property taxes for the building. The property taxes for 2007 were: $102,088.99. Now that the building is being converted to a "church" they will be property tax exempt. I went through this building this past summer and it really only makes sense for office space. I really don't see any way of creating anything like a sanctuary or auditorium in the space. I wonder why they would want a building like this when there are so many large church buildings for sale in the city. |
Lowell
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Username: Lowell
Post Number: 4420
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 11:22 am: | |
"...the city won't reap property taxes from it. The site was previously owned by the financial services firm Raymond James & Associates. The firm paid $9,773 in taxes in 2006."
I was going to say that $9k a year in taxes was a bit low; Brandon's figures make much more sense. The difference is so striking and so obviously out of line that one wonders what the writer/editors were thinking - or perhaps, heh, they are scientologist trying to cover up the loss to the City.
Presumably there will be some tax generated from incomes of staff, but it sounds like a net loss to the city already filled with a gazillion tax free church properties.
Another amusing error on that page is a flash animation ad for Watermark condos.
"Were not only grand. We're mow [sic] open".
then "Welcome Center and Luxe [sic] model now open". |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2465
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 11:41 am: | |
quote:I wonder why they would want a building like this when there are so many large church buildings for sale in the city.
Visibility. They have a church in Times Square, NYC... |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 853
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 3:26 pm: | |
Maybe they looked at only winter taxes ?
Signage, big sign on top of the building. The city council should deny any sign change variance.
Scientology is a business, a recruiting station for people to be brainwashed. For them not to be exempt for property taxes should be criminal. |
Mackinaw
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Username: Mackinaw
Post Number: 4285
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 3:35 pm: | |
Yeah, I don't think it is a requirement for them to worship in "churchy" spaces with any traditional design...hell, most new Catholic churches aren't very church-like (more like garages).
The story should have explained their tax-exempt status.
The story was mildly offensive when it reads: "The church's opening in Detroit will bring the property back to its roots: St. Anne's Catholic Church was built on the site in 1701."
St. Anne's = scientology? What? |
Charlottepaul
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Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 2187
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 6:03 pm: | |
I liked this paragraph Mackinaw:
"To make a city vibrant, you need many kinds of business and organizations, and diversity is very important," said John Carroll, executive director of the Detroit Regional Economic Partnership, which is across Griswold from the future church site. "This certainly brings an element of diversity."
John Carroll must be a funny guy. |
Chitaku
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Username: Chitaku
Post Number: 1760
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 6:12 pm: | |
I remember when they said my mother was the cause of my stress during my stress test. I started cracking up and pulled out the wad of money she gave me for the vacation followed by heading back to the hotel she set me up in. What a freaking money making sham scientology is |
Saintme
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Username: Saintme
Post Number: 77
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 6:16 pm: | |
"The site was previously owned by the financial services firm Raymond James & Associates. The firm paid $9,773 in taxes in 2006"
When I read that I wanted to scream. I looked at houses in Detroit for well over a year before realizing that, at least for now, I still could not afford to live where I'd wanted due to $9,000+ taxes on residential property, not to mention the cost of rehab and maintenance that some of the homes would require. How could a financial services firm be paying the same amount in taxes for an 8 story building with riverfront views that I would have paid for an ailing beauty a fraction of its size in a less desirable part of town in Boston Edison? That figure has to be a misprint, right?! Please tell me things are not that backwards! |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 854
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 11:00 pm: | |
taxes are over 100,000. annually. Would have been over 150,00 annually to the next owner if it wasn't a so called church. Thats over 1.5 million lost in ten years. |
Charlottepaul
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Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 2191
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 8:34 pm: | |
Since when does channel 4 link to DetroitYES threads???
http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/14989026/detail.html |
Carptrash
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Username: Carptrash
Post Number: 1516
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 8:43 pm: | |
Here is my problem. No, not that I have no clean socks, I am trying to write up this building and do not know what to call it. Here is what I have:
Standard Savings and Loan (Runey Bldg) G D Mason (H Wenzell) Detroit, MI 405 Griswald (One Griswald) W E Wood, contractor
So a couple different names, even two different street numbers. Anyone want to suggest what this building be called in "Shadowing Parducci?" |
Rbdetsport
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Username: Rbdetsport
Post Number: 437
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 8:44 pm: | |
OH NO! Now we are going to have a bunch of newbs. |
Eric
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Username: Eric
Post Number: 1066
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 9:07 pm: | |
Since when does channel 4 link to DetroitYES threads???
Probably since they hired a bunch high schoolers to write the content for their website |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 860
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 1:02 am: | |
Carptrash - Call it Detroit's newest laundromat.
Because you can get your socks washed, your brain washed, and you life savings washed through this corrupt business aka church. |
Gistok
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Username: Gistok
Post Number: 6081
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 2:41 am: | |
Carptrash... prior to the Raymond James takeover of Roney & Co., it was called the Roney Building for decades. I would go with that name.
(Message edited by Gistok on January 07, 2008) |
Kslice
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Username: Kslice
Post Number: 256
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 8:52 am: | |
I don't get how scientology gets off of paying taxes. I mean, they make money! Isn't that the definition of a business? |
Carptrash
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Username: Carptrash
Post Number: 1517
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 2:37 pm: | |
thanks Gistok, that's (Roney Bldg) Plan A.
Plan B is the laundrymat.
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeek |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4435
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 3:09 pm: | |
quote:DETROIT -- A church known for the Hollywood stars affiliated with it is setting up new Michigan headquarters in Detroit.
Discussion: Discuss Detroit's Raymond James thread
The Church of Scientology has paid more than $3 million to buy a vacant eight-story building at the vacant Raymond James Building at Jefferson and Griswold Street, facing Hart Plaza.
The church says it's all part of its worldwide expansion. It will relocate most of its Detroit-area operations from Farmington Hills.
Plans for the site include a chapel, lecture rooms, and a meeting space for the church's community service programs.
Lowell, have you authorized this?? It's like they are implying this is where discussion of Channel 4 News stories is meant to take place. |
Johnlodge
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Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4437
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 3:16 pm: | |
Also, look at that SWEET banner ad for Jehovah's Witnesses if you scroll all the way to the bottom of the page.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/ news/14989026/detail.html |
Kathleen
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Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 2711
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 6:50 am: | |
Some photos of the Parducci work on the Raymond James Building, taken last Saturday:
Woodward Side
Griswold side
Amazing what you see when you really look!! |
Aiw
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Username: Aiw
Post Number: 6503
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 8:43 am: | |
Great shots Kathleen. Thanks for posting them. It's one of my favourites to walk past when I'm downtown.
Great metalwork. |
Carptrash
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Username: Carptrash
Post Number: 1556
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 12:04 pm: | |
Thanks K:
Nothing like getting up close and personal to a building.
I emailed the church involved but have received no answer - which puts tham on a par with the RC church who mostly don't answer me either.
If you can get into the lobby do so. The grill work is even (opinion) better. eeeek
Here is CP on the building:
CORRADO PARDUCCI: Yeah. This is the inside of that Standard Savings and Loan. If you look at some of the stuff you see that it has a styling. . . . The grilles here are very fine, but they don’t show too well. But you see it has a Greek. . . . Here’s the front entrance grilles. |
Kiara
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Username: Kiara
Post Number: 1
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 12:43 pm: | |
i want to put a stop to this |
Carptrash
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Username: Carptrash
Post Number: 1562
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 12:45 pm: | |
Put a stop to what? Too much Parducci for you or is it those Scientoligists? |
Kathleen
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Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 2729
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 1:09 pm: | |
Normally I would welcome a new poster to the Forum....but I'll wait and see what develops here.
So, Kiara, please clarify... |
Kiara
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Username: Kiara
Post Number: 2
Registered: 12-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 1:31 pm: | |
scientology center. i'm all for detroit selling a great building but not to a cult.
i know in reality there's nothing that can be done.
(Message edited by kiara on January 26, 2008) |
Carptrash
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Username: Carptrash
Post Number: 1567
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 2:03 pm: | |
cults need a hug every now and then too - even one s who don't answer their email. Anyway, welcome here, and yes, we'll see what develops. eeeeek
(Message edited by carptrash on January 26, 2008) |
Kathleen
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Username: Kathleen
Post Number: 2730
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 3:13 pm: | |
Kiara: Welcome to the Forum! I'm also not thrilled that the Scientologists have acquired this building in such a high profile location downtown, but I'm hopeful that they will be good neighbors and that they understand the beauty of the building they now own and will keep it and show it off! |
Charlottepaul
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Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 2268
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 3:23 pm: | |
It's like any business--they too want a high profile location to attract 'customers.' |
Billk
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Username: Billk
Post Number: 199
Registered: 09-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 3:40 pm: | |
One of the many freedoms we enjoy as Americans is " freedom of religion ". |
Thejesus
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Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 3342
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 3:45 pm: | |
"One of the many freedoms we enjoy as Americans is " freedom of religion "."
Not relevant to anything being discussed here, but ok. |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 1215
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 12:42 pm: | |
No wonder they have all this money to buy real estate.
Ponzi scheming Scientologist scams investors out of 600 million (or so). I didn't know Greta Van Susteren was a big donor and Scientologist, she always seemed a little vacuous on TV though.
http://www.slatkinfraud.com/in dex.php |
Motorcitydave
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Username: Motorcitydave
Post Number: 123
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 3:30 pm: | |
Speaking of new 'churches' moving downtown, has anyone seen the pair of LDS missionary bike riding guys cruising around downtown? At least I think they were LDS... had the matching white shirt & tie uniforms on, matching helmets, and matching back packs, etc... they just stopped me one day when I was walking the dog, and started asking me a bunch of questions about how happy I was with life, etc... seemed like they were recruiting... they were hard to shake!...lol. 
Since then, I have seen them a few more times, at all hours of the day, and NIGHT. |
Deteamster
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Username: Deteamster
Post Number: 77
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 4:52 pm: | |
I've seen LDS in Midtown for years. Yup, that's them. |
Bobj
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Username: Bobj
Post Number: 3930
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 5:01 pm: | |
I've seen those folks around, but what is LDS? |
Spiritofdetroit
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Username: Spiritofdetroit
Post Number: 838
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2008 - 5:32 pm: | |
Mormon |
Charlottepaul
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Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 2326
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 12:40 pm: | |
Latter-day Saints
http://www.acronymfinder.com/a f-query.asp?Acronym=lds&Find=f ind&string=exact |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 1238
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:44 pm: | |
Between the LDS, Jehovah's, Scientologists and Krishna's trying to recruit everyone and the multitude of other churches. You can't say Detroit isn't diversified religiously. |
Bobj
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Username: Bobj
Post Number: 3966
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 5:03 pm: | |
Thanks, I always forget the Latter-day Saints and the New Orleans Saints |
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