  Vulke99 Member Username: Vulke99 Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2005 |
http://www.economist.com/world /asia/displaystory.cfm?story_i d=10329261 This is an interesting article about how Toyota works their employees to death. They don't pay for training or other stuff. They even have a word for it, "karoshi" - death by overwork. | ||
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus Post Number: 3141 Registered: 06-2006 |
Interesting article, though the mods should probably move it to non-Detroit | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 245 Registered: 02-2007 |
All the naysayers on this forum can say what you want about the American auto industry and the unions, but that article only reinforces what I have been saying all along... WHAT YOU DRIVE DRIVES AMERICA! | ||
Futurecity Member Username: Futurecity Post Number: 726 Registered: 05-2005 |
Funny, our autoworkers suffer from deaths related to being overweight and getting no exercise. | ||
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 1340 Registered: 12-2005 |
The UAW's commitment to improve the lives of working men and women extends beyond our borders to encompass people around the globe. Maybe they need to translate those words into Japanese? | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 246 Registered: 02-2007 |
"Funny, our autoworkers suffer from deaths related to being overweight and getting no exercise" That is true, as it is true with many American workers NOT associated with the auto industry. The American autoworkers have excellent health benefits that give them the opportunity to better their health. That's only possible because of the diligent efforts of the UAW to protect their workers from tyrants like Toyota. WHAT YOU DRIVE DRIVES AMERICA! | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 24 Registered: 12-2007 |
^ They have every opportunity to better their health, yet a large majority doesn't. We all know someone who works for the big three who gets paid 35$ an hour to work for 45 minutes then take a 45 minute break...only to push a button when they actually work. And buying american is no longer a viable slogan, considering that more "American" vehicles are assembled in mexico and canada than right here in the states. You have to go to Toyota and Honda to build in america most of the time. | ||
Pffft Member Username: Pffft Post Number: 1433 Registered: 12-2003 |
"More" American vehicles are assembled in Mexico and Canada? Why, because you say so? | ||
Ddaydave Member Username: Ddaydave Post Number: 513 Registered: 04-2005 |
D_mcc from everyone I talk to in the big 3 the days of working 45 minutes and getting a 45 minute break are long gone except in a few of the skilled trades | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2007 |
^ Then I retract my statement, but i don't necessarily believe that Toyota is working its employees to death. I am sure the UN and Human rights groups all around the world would be all over that. | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 247 Registered: 02-2007 |
I have said it before and I will say it again...when you buy American (whether it's been assembled in Mexico, Canada, or bumf**k Egypt, the profits stay in America. When you buy Toyota, Honda, or whatever rice burner you want, the profits go overseas. Why do you think Michigan, specifically Detroit, is in the terrible fix it's in today? Consumers need to wake up and start thinking of where their next dollar is coming from, because the way it's going, there may not be that "next dollar". Start thinking of your own country and what we need to stay viable instead of just thinking of yourself and what's cheaper. Cheaper isn't always better. China is trying to poison us with everything they send over here, from toys to apple juice. Wake up America! WHAT YOU DRIVE DRIVES AMERICA! | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 1324 Registered: 11-2003 |
Word. | ||
Plymouthres Member Username: Plymouthres Post Number: 423 Registered: 02-2007 |
Dday- Good point and quite true. Those days of wine and roses are all over. Ba- Things were in the terrible state that they were in because of the domestics inability to change with and, in fact, adapt to changing times. Fury makes excellent points on this very topic. Read his stuff for a different but accurate description. The domestic auto companies' quality issues were quite well documented as well, particularly past the third year and beyond. That appears to be slowly changing, and good on them for that. I will be purchasing a new Ford vehicle in a couple of days because I believe they are now as good, if not better, than their Asian counterparts, and because I don't want to contribute to the malaise that has affected most American consumers. It is not only China, but many other third world foreign countries that have contributed to our demise. Most of the problem lies solely in the greed of the American consumer who refused to pay for quality but wanted cheaper and cheaper, which I believe lead directly to the situation today. I do agree with your one statement, where you say that "cheaper isn't always better". Toys and their toxicity are one small example of that, but I wonder in 30 years what the environmental impacts of Chinese and other third world type countries construction methods will have on the world's environment. | ||
East_detroit Member Username: East_detroit Post Number: 1327 Registered: 11-2003 |
Plymouthres, if you need X plan, I know someone who will give it to you. | ||
Plymouthres Member Username: Plymouthres Post Number: 426 Registered: 02-2007 |
Thanks, E_d, but part of my buyout package in February from Ford entitled me to get A-plan rights for life. It is the one perk that I have used this year fully, as four of my relatives who were eligible have exercised it. I've sold more cars for them this year than I ever have in any one year, and it all happened after I left. I hope that shows that I don't have any animosity toward Ford, as I've always been accused by all of my friends of "bleeding Blue"! I appreciate the offer, though! | ||
Dds Member Username: Dds Post Number: 485 Registered: 10-2006 |
quote: Then why does the UAW endorse buying 13 different vehicles made by Japanese companies? quote: http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/aut o/2008/index.cfm | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 6735 Registered: 11-2004 |
Interesting stat indeed, Dds! | ||
Tk65 Member Username: Tk65 Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2007 |
UAW/IUE means made in America. There are 71 American made vehicles on that list compared to 14 Canadian. So I guess that means there are 58 other models of cars made in Mexico, since D_mcc said there is more cars made in Canada and Mexico than right here in the USA. Total unmitigated bullshit. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2433 Registered: 04-2006 |
Ford and GM are publicly traded companies. The profits (what profits? lol.) don't necessarily stay in America anymore than Toyota NA or Honda NA... | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 248 Registered: 02-2007 |
What money stays in the U.S. and goes to each and every employee of the Big 3 in wages, benefits, pension, etc., is profit as far as I am concerned. Also, that doesn't necessarily mean just the auto companies...it includes all the other businesses, both large and small, that are dependent on the auto industry for their livlihood as well. I have never known a UAW employee who worked for one of the Big 3 ever endorse a Toyota, Honda, or Mitsubishi. WHAT YOU DRIVE DRIVES AMERICA! | ||
Alsodave Member Username: Alsodave Post Number: 818 Registered: 10-2003 |
So what about the money that American workers (plants, car dealers, suppliers) get as far as wages, benefits, pension, etc? That stays in the U.S., doesn't it? | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 6741 Registered: 11-2004 |
"I have never known a UAW employee who worked for one of the Big 3 ever endorse a Toyota, Honda, or Mitsubishi." I wonder what you would say to one of those UAW bretheren that builds one of those Japanese vehicles on that UAW list. Would you tell them not to buy one of the cars they built as well? | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 249 Registered: 02-2007 |
I have a major problem with anyone from the U.S. purchasing a foreign automobile. I have a bigger problem with Americans purchasing foreign automobiles and then putting their "support our troops" emblems on the back. What hypocrites! I have an even bigger problem with UAW members purchasing automobiles other than the ones that they make themselves and whose company signs their paychecks. As far as I know, Toyota, Honda or Mitsubishi have never signed a paycheck for Chrysler, Ford or GM employees. If I am wrong then I am wrong. If the profits from the sale of any automobile stays in the U.S. and U.S. employees or citizens reap the rewards it okay in my book. What I hate to see is U.S. citizens loosing jobs then homes because the U.S. automobile factories are closing shop because foreign sales are up. I can't be any clearer than that. As I have said, I never met any UAW worker that advocates purchasing Toyota, Honda or Mitsubishi. WHAT YOU DRIVE DRIVES AMERICA! I said this yesterday, say it today, and tomorrow. Of course, this may change if America is bought out by Japan or China...it's heading that way in the future. I may not have the RIGHT or ability to voice my opinions without sanctions. Hopefully that day won't come in my lifetime. |
