Post Number: 4613
|Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 8:42 pm: || |
Southwest Detroit has what is likely the highest population density in the city, lots of young people, and poverty too, so it's a no brainer that there's going to be gang-bangers...
Things were bad in the early 90s, but there was a certain level of burnout, people got older and got jobs or got killed/went to jail,
With the stronger economy of the Clinton/Archer years, things died down.
They are bad again today.
Plymouthres blames Latinos in SWD, and there was a connection with Chicago's gangs, but in my old neighborhood the hillbilly kids in the Cash Flow Posse were an integral part of the gang culture.
The common factor is poverty, although there have always been wannabees who come from from more middle class backgrounds.
Post Number: 198
|Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 9:15 pm: || |
Grew up in the Conner/Jefferson area in the late 80's. Gang called the CC's, or 'Cross Conner boys were pretty big and some remnants remain. They were pretty violent.
Post Number: 107
|Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 9:43 pm: || |
I can clearly remember the ranking members in my neighborhood crew...as a young kid, I remember looking up to many of these guys(in a strange way the were very special)...contrary to most peoples thoughts about gang life (particularly, Black gangs)__these guys were usually well respected and responded well to community issues...I remember once they helped me retrieve my 'boom box' in which a crew from another 'hood' snatched it while I was watching a hard ball game at Northwestern Field between the Bruins and Panthers..(back then Northwestern Field was off limits to my neighborhood)...nevertheless those guys went and got my radio back, till' today, I still don't know how they got it...that's just the way it was.
...unfortunately life's societal inequalities(ills) and proverbial short-handedness helped lead to some of the crew members demise.
Here is the list and the current status of
The 'Stacy Adams 30-30's'
Charles 'Skeet' Christian (dead drug overdose)
Joe 'Inch Stone' Brown (dead murdered)
Bo 'Stonie' Jones (Detroit Public Schools)
Rick 'slick Rick' King (did 16 years for murder)
Al 'na na' Guy( dead murdered)
Mike 'Clementine' Clemons (crack addict)
Nat 'Rat Dog' Nater (crack addict)
James 'six-nine' Jones (Working)
Pete 'Reestraw' Guy (dead drug overdose)
Will 'Willie Pew' Barnes (life sentence, murder)
Earl 'Nostra' Majors (dead shot and killed)
Al 'Gray' Fox (self employed,business)....
...I believe there was about 15 more members to which I was not familiar...but they use to hang out on a playground called 'Ames' on Vinewood and McGraw.
Post Number: 636
|Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 10:09 pm: || |
Its not up to the police to decide where we go in our country. I can understand scrutinizing a younger person in some instances, but we need to be careful with the curfews, checkpoints etc. Another poster mentioned areas in which "there is absolutely no reason to go there". Delivery drivers; workers dropping off co-workers; boyfriends visiting girlfriends; so on and so forth. I decide where and when I go and which sections of whichever city I choose to frequent. Sometime back me and my ex went for a ride next to Motor city casino and we were stopped by some cops who were frisking a suspect. My nosiness must have aroused their suspicion,because I was pulled over and questioned but the cop was extremely polite and professional. Heavy handed tactics on the part of law enforcement make angry anti social deliquents more angry and anti social.
A former co-worker of mine who lived in Southwest had mentioned an individual from the West Coast who wanted to branch out into Detroit and start fighting with the black gangs.Detroit, if you consider the statistics, has much less gang violence than L.A.
Many of the organized criminals of the 20's and 30's gangster era ran with gangs as youths on Detroits lower east side.They may have been structured differently, but cities have always had gangs of miscreant youth terrorizing their communities and defending territories.
Post Number: 445
|Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 10:36 pm: || |
Sorry if you were offended by my usage of the term "responsible" in regard to the description of the Latino gangs, but since that area SW Detroit is predominately Latino, and the gang tagging that I have seen being done(in process) is predominately being done by Latino kids. I was just making a casual observation and commented as such. I was in no way "blaming" anyone for anything, and if inferring the obvious to me is upsetting to you, perhaps you should try not to read so much between the lines and take my statements for what they are worth, my opinion and nothing more.
If you also notice, I used the words predominately and most, which certainly don't mean all. My friends on the gang squad from the former 4th precinct would have no problem with my assertion, I'm sure.
I work at Fort Wayne, which has many, many of the Latino residents of SW Detroit playing soccer there most of the summer. Two buildings that I have personally worked on have Latino tagging on them, one done by the "vato's" and another by the Latin Counts. I merely call them as I see them, and if that's troubling to you then I don't know what to say.
I mentioned many gang names that I knew of in my post, and not all of them were Latino gangs, as you pointed out. In my opinion, gang banging is just a ritual of growing up in Latino culture, anyway. Take a look at places like Nueve Larado or Chiuahua as an example of some really bad a$$ed Latino gangs if you don't believe me.
Post Number: 4615
|Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 10:44 pm: || |
NL has nothing on San Salvador.
But the MS 13 wasn't born in El Salvador, it was born in Los Angeles.
Gang banging has nothing to do with "Latino Culture" or "Black Culture" or "Hillbilly Culture".
It's urban poverty subculture, and it's made in America.
Post Number: 389
|Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 11:57 pm: || |
All Detroit gangs would bow down to this boy...
Post Number: 162
|Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 4:21 am: || |
as a kid i would walk down cambridge st back in the mid 70,s. well on one of the garages was the tag 'BK,S'. I asked my uncle what BK,S ment. he said burger king, we kept walking. found out not too much later it was from the black killers. later "WK" started showing up with BK being X,d out and vice versa. never had to mess with gangs in detroit, good thing, bad thing every one had a sale from there warehouse and all that stuff was in the back of a van.
Post Number: 447
|Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 9:22 am: || |
I spent two years as an "advisor" in the military in El Salvador in the early to mid 80's, so I understand what you mean about NL vs. SS. My reference was to the gangs that control the drug trade in NL and the fact that they lost 5 sheriffs there during a six month run a few years back. I also did drug interdiction raids throughout Mexico and many other Central American countries, so my point of view comes from some actual experience, too.
I would respectfully disagree, however, that gang banging, or in general gangs, are not more prominent in Latino culture. From what I've seen of the death squads and drug lords in Belize, Hati, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico and Columbia, these "gangs" in South/Central America make those in the States look like a bunch of pre-school kids. You are also probably more correct to say ganging is not part of the mainstream culture, rather part of the "poverty subculture". That subculture exists predominately throughout those areas, so my analogy to the Latino portion of them was correct from where I see it.
My vision of real gangs in the States is more along the lines of the groups I mentioned in my first post, and the gangs of the Southern/Central areas mentioned would be more along the lines of the forces of Pablo Escobar or Hector Ochoa. Now there's some bad a$$ed boys.
Now, back to the subject of gangs in Detroit?
Post Number: 946
|Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 11:22 am: || |
Here are a few gang tags from the "Sunni Triangle", Van Dyke, 7 Mile, and Gratiot:
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This neighborhood was leveled by gangs crack.(NBA= Nigga Beat Ass)
Post Number: 390
|Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 4:30 pm: || |
2nd to last picture is a good imitation of "Bubble's Depo"!
Post Number: 11200
|Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 5:17 pm: || |
I think the palm tree on the wall in that second picture is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.
desperate for paradise
Post Number: 391
|Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 6:58 pm: || |
Gannon IIRC, don't you have some good tales of L.A. street gangs when you lived there?
Post Number: 4618
|Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 9:21 pm: || |
PR: Never was offended, I just disagree that gangsterism is an integral part of any one culture.
It's simply a byproduct of low incomes,low education and low opportunities
I bet you have some good stories. Sounds like you worked closely with another big Central American gang: The Reagan Gang.
Los Angeles is so huge that it is possible to live here for years and pretend that the problem doesn't exist. But there have been some serious turf wars going on this past year in the south of the city. On the bright side, We have the most diverse gang population in America. Asian gangs in Long Beach and Ktown, and Armenian Gangs in Hollywood and Glendale.Some of the Armenians wear these ridiculous powder blue track suits, so it's hard to take them seriously, but I still wouldn't want to tangle with them.
No thread on gangs in Detroit would be complete without mentioning those O.G.s from the North End: The Purple Gang.
Post Number: 163
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 1:52 am: || |
i also heard from my father that the myrtle st gang was big back in the 1940,s. haven,t heard as much about them as with other older gangs.
Post Number: 450
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 8:27 am: || |
My last name ends in -ian.
Reagan Gang-LMAO! More like "Club", not a gang.
Post Number: 4409
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 10:18 am: || |
So that's why you showed up at the FSC in a powder blue track suit! LOL & JK - best wishes in your new adventure for the new year.
Post Number: 453
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 10:21 am: || |
Damn, Lowell, your powers of observation are very keen! I told MrsRes that no one would ever know, and now you've spilled the secret to all!
LMAO!! Happy New Year to you, too!
Post Number: 943
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 10:22 am: || |
watch out for Sam
Post Number: 805
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 10:40 am: || |
Quote: "I think the palm tree on the wall in that second picture is one of the saddest things I've ever seen."
Looks more like two guys tryin to crawl in a pipe.
Post Number: 108
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 11:28 am: || |
Here is a popular dance that originated from the Errol Flynn gang...later on the dance craze was dubbed 'Flynn'n, bug'n or 'Jit'n....anyone remember this?
Post Number: 1256
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 11:30 am: || |
Nice Blksoul_x, that's the jam there.
Post Number: 249
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 12:13 pm: || |
How much pull does the mob still have around here? Does Tocco or anyone still control any turf or run any business?
Post Number: 186
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 1:13 pm: || |
errol flynn's & coneyones = sunglasses with no lenses.. westside BK'S = buchanan killas.
Post Number: 102
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 1:21 pm: || |
This was in today's Freep. Doesn't pertain to Detroit but still relevant
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20071231/NEW S07/712310337/1009
Post Number: 4622
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 1:23 pm: || |
I used to work in Glendale a lot. If your last name ends in -ian, then I'm sure you know about Glendale.
Anyway, I had this conversation with one of the powder blue track suit guys one day...He asked about Armenians in Detroit and I told him about St. John's in Southfield, the Armenians that I grew up with and the wealth of the Manoogians.
His eyes lit up.
"The Manoogians! What's their gang sign?"
I made the motion of a hand opening a faucet.
"Hot and cold, all in one valve!" I explained.
Post Number: 454
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 1:59 pm: || |
You are an absolute stitch! I think I almost died when I read the valve part, OMG! Right on the money with the analogy!
This Glendale thing, I really didn't know much about, I'd really like to hear more. Has this been an issue for long? I can't believe that they are some kind of thug gang, that is just so unlike their custom.
I've got a ton going on right now as I am changing careers and moving to Arizona all in one fell swoop, but when I land there, I'll check it out. Any links as you seem to know a lot about it yourself?
I knew some Manoogians, too, but they would have attended the "other" Armenian church, on Altar Road in Dearborn/Detroit. I believe that Richard Manoogian and Co. of MASCO fame went to St. Johns. The powder blue colors just crack me up too, kind of like wearing a pink dress shirt-only some people can pull that of just right and be taken seriously at the same time. My vision is little, skinny Armenian- looking guys...........oh my!
By the way, "Manoog" is Michael in Armenian.
Post Number: 845
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 2:21 pm: || |
Blksoul_x, "flynin" was a craze when I was growing up in the late 70s. You saw it everywhere - basement and backyard parties, and out on the strip on the rock (Belle Isle). Was great to watch it being done to "Freak of the week". Most did not do it very well. It took a certain mentality to do it well. Wanna-be's tended to look stupid doing it. In fact a few got shot for "frontin".
A lot of theories existed about the hand gestures. Spelling "errolflynn" in cursive in the air with one hand was one of the original intents, but that evolved into all kinds of other ideas.
Post Number: 109
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 5:32 pm: || |
Vetalalumni__ you are WAY too familiar with the on-goings of Flynn'n...are you sure you are not a X-Flynn of some sort?(smile)...but you are absolutely correct in terms of basement and backyard parties...and yes KNEE DEEP was like the FLYNN'N anthem. It's too bad I was on the fringe end of the craze...however I do remember my Uncles and older Cousin's dancing with their hands up and dressing the part, with a white handkerchief, and flipped up collars and Borsalino(Bossy's) hats...by the time I matured to the age of hanging, New Wave and Rap had taken over on Belle Isle....gang'banging' had went underground, and the Dope gangs had taken over, YBI, PONY DOWN, CASH FLOW, etc.
By the way the guy in the video I posted, perhaps was not a great example of Flynn'n...but I wanted to post it for reference of the dance associated with the gang, the Errol Flynn's
Post Number: 847
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 6:59 pm: || |
In no way do I claim any former gang affiliation whatsoever. In fact, I partied and hung out quite a bit around the city, east and west side. Had a girlfriend living in the Parkside Homes which was very rough at that time. However, every evening I retreated to the warm loving confines of my safe, middle-class two-parent home in south Rosedale Park.
My knowledge of criminal and gang-life in the Motor came vicariously through a few acquaintances who truly lived it. I have several older male relatives and close family friends through whom I achieved a "little" street cred. And I learned to keep my mouth shut. Often the boastful show-offs were confronted with violence.
A lot of my old friends from the late 70s originally came from some tough neighborhoods before moving to south RP. In fact, many gave me quite an education about the streets. Many of us today live comfortable middle-class lives in various parts of the country. I retain an affinity for "all things" Detroit, though I've moved on. Well - not ALL things - lol.
Post Number: 4411
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 9:00 pm: || |
Great posts Blksoul_x. Thanks for putting the alphabet soup of contemporary and near recent Detroit gang topography in order.
Speaking of dancing, and not sure if gang topic related, care to put Freaky Deaky in perspective? Even Elmore Leonard had to crib that one for a title of one of his novels.
Post Number: 32
|Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 9:10 pm: || |
The Tocco family "Closed the books" sometime in the Mid-90's and haven't admitted new members since the majority of the family is locked up, and the majority of their properties have been seized...I.E. the race tracks
Post Number: 261
|Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 9:11 am: || |
Wow! All this gang stuff is very fascinating (from a safe distance of course)!
Post Number: 6924
|Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 10:15 am: || |
Pablo Bonila, Founder of the Detroit Kings has broke away from his gang thanks to G.R.A.C.E. a SW Detroit anti-gang organization met to and gang membership and growth. Today Bonila is working someplace else.
Other rival older SW Detroit gangs are long gone. like the Cass Flow Posse and The Latin Kings. However a now latino gang surfaced in SW Detroit called "The Folks."
There other Gangs I came in contact while walking in the ghettos of Detroit.
The Schoolcraft Boys
6 Mile (The orginal Six Mile Smurfs)
7 Mile and the 7 Mile Dogs
P-Rock and The Plymouth Boys
Detroit branches of the C.R.I.P.S. and BLOODS
E. 7 Mile
Joy Rd's and many more
Post Number: 113
|Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 7:16 pm: || |
...'Speaking of dancing, and not sure if gang topic related, care to put Freaky Deaky in perspective? Even Elmore Leonard had to crib that one for a title of one of his novels'.
Thankz Lowell...all I can say about the so-called 'freaky deaky', is that__urban myth's would have one to believe that the dance was banned by the Detroit city council and provoke gang-violence. I believe it was do to a few killings at area parks in the late summer of 79 that involved people doing the dance 'the freak'!
Eventually, the chief of Police, (Hart), reminded people that the area parks are for family's to enjoy not gang-bangers doing their hand dances. From that point, the myth spreaded, that the 'Freak' was banned because it promoted gang violence.
OH, and I almost forgot one of the biggest gang back in the day, known for robbing stores and citizens downtown....
Does anybody remember the Rayfield Flynns'...Rayfield was their signature called when the would heist someone, they shouted out(real loud) ...'RAAAAYFIELD'__in-fact the word RAYFIELD became synonymous with individuals as they were robbing, or jacking, or checking in your goods.
For example...Man, what happened to your coat?...Man, as I was getting on the Cross-Town, and I was 'Rayfield' by a couple of Flynn's!
(Message edited by blksoul_x on January 02, 2008)
Post Number: 123
|Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 7:41 pm: || |
I was the one who took that footage actually, once i put it up, it went like wildfire over the net. heh.
that guy in the video is named Dennis. He is one of the best street dancers to come out of the city, I kid you not. He is a beast when it comes to Locking, when i say that i mean he is simply unbelievable to watch! There are only a handful of Detroit OGs that are on his level, or higher. IMO. but the subject of Detroit dance is another topic, but im interested to hear more about the errol flynn dance, always enjoy getting new bits of info on it.
(Message edited by KOVA on January 02, 2008)
Post Number: 124
|Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2008 - 7:42 pm: || |
danny, more info on the 7 mile dogs please!
Post Number: 81
|Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 5:03 am: || |
Good input here Vetalalumni, Danny, and Blksoul. Very interesting.
(Message edited by lombaowski on January 03, 2008)
Post Number: 40
|Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 8:54 am: || |
The Folks come from Chicago, I don't know which branch has set up in SW Detroit, but remember seeing somewhere on this site (http://chicagogangs.org/)that some Latin Gang from Chicago had set up shop in Delray.
I don't know much about gangs but this is a completely fascinating thread, and the chicagogangs site is equally interesting.
Post Number: 114
|Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 9:02 am: || |
...im interested to hear more about the errol flynn dance, always enjoy getting new bits of info on it.
Kova, thanks for the video, I sometimes show that video to all my younger relatives to show them how the original 'jit' was performed...(as you know the 'jit' or 'jitterbug' has evolved since it's original conception.)
Here is a video talking about the old dance show 'The Scene'....(it's about 7 minutes)__I don't mean to change the course of the thread, but the reason I'm posting this video is because, you will see at the very end of the video, 2 or 3 guys doing the classic 'Jit'(bugg'n) and 'Errol Flynning' off of a tune called, 'Hot Shot' by Karen Young during a portion of the Show called the 'Scene Circle'...These guys had to be true Flynn's!
Post Number: 125
|Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 2:23 pm: || |
blk soul- i have the bootleg videos of all the scene videos currently on youtube, i could mail them you way as long as you promise not to distribute hahah
Post Number: 116
|Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 12:51 am: || |
Many Gang members of the mid to late 70's used the signature nickname of 'Dirty'. 'Dirty' was symbolic for the kind of life-style that a 'true hood' represented...of course your typical gang way of life was hang'n out, singing on the street corners, perhaps robbing, 'jacking', and 'banging'. I would bet to say that 75 percent of gang alias started with Dirty...for example; Dirty Mike, Dirty Red, Dirty Maggert, etc.
The signature name Money, was another essential qualifier for gang respect. For example, many gang members used the moniker Money before their names...for example, Money Mike, Money Ron, Money Gee, etc.
Also many of the younger G's of the ranking Gang members, used the monicker 'Young' before their names...for example Many of the ranking Gang members would refer to the young G's as, Young Chris, Young Ray, Young Rick etc.
Post Number: 262
|Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 8:54 am: || |
Anybody seen the movie Boys in the Hood or New Jack City? Those were great!
Post Number: 396
|Posted on Friday, January 04, 2008 - 3:30 pm: || |
Just watch The Wire. Those two movies are kiddie-ish in comparison.