  Rob_in_warren Member Username: Rob_in_warren Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-2007 |
BuyAmerican, On a side note, I agree with you on the banks. I can't understand why my own bank doesn't know I speak English, especially after I've pressed that button 500 times. I'd be pissed to find out some spanish speaking guy stole my money because he had the option for spanish language. | ||
Tkshreve Member Username: Tkshreve Post Number: 243 Registered: 07-2006 |
Tour of duty in Iraq - 2 years - Gets you citizenship for 10 years. Let's see if they <illegals> really want to be part of this country. Screw having them learn the language. They will all be working together, side by side with guns instead of brooms. Better yet, send 4 million of them into the hills to snuff out osama. Whoever makes it back alive gets health care and citizenship and $5,000 for whatever they want to do with it. I would then admit that they <illegals> have proved their committment to our country and deserve to be here. Only the US would send its own citizens off to die in foreign countries and replace them with foreign people the next day. I despise politicians who skirt issues and deflect important direct questions. It is a growing problem with our political system. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3236 Registered: 06-2004 |
"That's why it should be lawful for people who must drive here to do so legally." No one has to drive. Sure, it's more convenient to be able to drive, but driving privileges are suspended and revoked all the time. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1715 Registered: 07-2004 |
Sorry, that's the way it is in these parts. No car, no go, period. You effectively must drive in order to live your life here. Nice try casting "driving" as some "frill." | ||
Tkshreve Member Username: Tkshreve Post Number: 244 Registered: 07-2006 |
Boy are you annoying | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1716 Registered: 07-2004 |
Don't call me, "boy." ;) | ||
Hamtragedy Member Username: Hamtragedy Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2007 |
As I see it, the MO in Hamtramck for years has been: 1) get here; 2) get job; 3) get credit card (this is easy); 4) get nice american car; 5) live by the book for a couple years; 6) drink, drink, drink, send money home; 7) keep drinkin; 8) crack uninsured american car while drinking&driving: 9) skip country (and court); 10) dissappear into the old country after living the "american dream." Now, find the mexican. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 4224 Registered: 02-2005 |
Nativism is alive and well. It is, perhaps, one of the most immature political opinions someone could possibly hold. | ||
Andylinn Member Username: Andylinn Post Number: 666 Registered: 04-2006 |
Michigan had a net loss of over 30,000 people last year and you guys are worried about "keeping people out" why not make michigan a SUPER immigrant friendly state bring people here? instead of us being so ass backwards in every single way... - andy | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1717 Registered: 07-2004 |
Well put, Mack. Whatever happened to the idea of the common welfare? You know, the idea that the less hard-done-by people there are, the better the quality of life is for us all? That's a lot more mature than trying to "stick it to" the most vulnerable among us. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3237 Registered: 06-2004 |
assbackward Andy - we don't need more people, we need more jobs | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1718 Registered: 07-2004 |
Lil, so I guess you're pleased by the news that 30,500 people left the state? Laws of supply and demand right? More jobs for us! Can't wait to see that op-ed... ;) | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3238 Registered: 06-2004 |
People left the state to take jobs elsewhere. Do you not understand that Michigan has the highest unemployment rate in the country? Quite frankly I'm surprised it's only 30,500 that have left. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1719 Registered: 07-2004 |
So, more jobs for us, right? ;) | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3239 Registered: 06-2004 |
Possibly fewer local potential competitors when applying for a job, but 2007 job losses for the state were predicted as 30,000 and I'm sure not all of the 30,500 who left were job seekers, so that's probably still a net loss of job openings for the year. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1720 Registered: 07-2004 |
We need to lose more people! | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2439 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: Yeah, because we all know that all illegal immigrants come from Mexico. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 154 Registered: 11-2007 |
The basic premise should be to legally enter this country with a visa for a job. NOT over stay. NOT bring your cousins. NOT lobby the the politicos. Not trust business to DO the right thing. Laws are laws, I have to follow them. So should the 12- 18 million illegals in this country since the last Presidential pardon. I am NOT a racist. Just trying to follow our rules in this country. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 4672 Registered: 10-2004 |
The actual number of net jobs lost is debatable. Several speaking on behalf of the state had stated when interviewed around Labor Day by the news media that over 80,000 net jobs were lost by September for this year (for the first 8 months of 2007). However, another state agency says that only 30,000 net jobs were lost for the entire year. Who or what agency is to be believed? | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1721 Registered: 07-2004 |
Watching nativists talk about immigration is frustrating. Where do you think all those jobs are going? All the free trade agreements have sent our high-paying union jobs overseas. What's left are increasingly unattractive jobs that people holding out for "management" don't want to do. And the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. I have an idea, though: Instead of addressing the fundamental problems that are rotting our society and destroying our democracy, let's find a scapegoat. How about immigrants? Let's tar them and feather them and then everything will be better, right? All better now... | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3240 Registered: 06-2004 |
We're talking about illegal immigrants, NOT immigrants who are here legally. Is that too subtly nuanced for you? | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1722 Registered: 07-2004 |
Scapegoats are scapegoats. Keep trying to make life miserable for those more vulnerable than you. The people in charge love it. And the best part is, you get to keep a clean conscience. After all, they're only lawbreakers, right? "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." --Anatole France, 1894 | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3241 Registered: 06-2004 |
That's the way of capitalism, or so I'm constantly told - shit flows downhill, right Batty? | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1723 Registered: 07-2004 |
While you work through your economic insecurity by damning people more insecure than you, the people above you get to shit on you. Not a peep out of you about the elite, huh? Just gonna grumble and complain and try to stick it to people who, when you come right down to it, share your economic interests more than the people in charge. So sad ... | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3242 Registered: 06-2004 |
wow, you've obviously never read my posts outside of this thread | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1724 Registered: 07-2004 |
I wonder why? ;) | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6007 Registered: 08-2004 |
Livernoisyard... then there's a large number of people where the breadwinner is working in another state, while the family stays here at home. This has been very common recently with building trades people. | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 258 Registered: 02-2007 |
Are all of these facts lies? 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77 2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/20 04/fiscalexec.html 3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/20 04/fiscalexec.html 4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html 5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCI PTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html 9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are Caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html 10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA NSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html 11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht 12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinsti tute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf 13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75 /niht.htm 14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". http://www.drdsk.com/articlesh tml The total cost is a whooping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR http://www.snopes.com/politics /immigration/bankofamerica.asp | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 4227 Registered: 02-2005 |
^^There's your nativism. Especially number 13. Why do you care what someone does with THIER money, mr. great american? At least their earning money and working...that's better than millions of lazy American-born people can say. All those numbers would be pointless if the needless immigration restrictions were removed and retroactive amnesty was granted. Immigration restrictions are simply government regulation of the labor market. | ||
Barnesfoto Member Username: Barnesfoto Post Number: 4609 Registered: 10-2003 |
^^^well said, Mackinaw. . There is currently such a backlog of requests for US Passports that US Citizens cannot get passports in a timely matter.(in part, due to the "Decider" aka the President (who, if you have ever listened to him, does not speak English very well) deciding that we now need passports to go to Canada and Mexico. The backlog for people to become US Citizens is absurdly long, which leads people to bypass the mess and come here illegally. Yet the pseudo-nativists (who ignore the plight of the real Native Americans-those who lost their land to European Settlers with laws and papers) seem to oppose any streamlining of immigration laws. They point out that THEIR ancestors waited patiently in line at Ellis Island...but of course, those people got in because of pro-white quotas that were in place until 1965. They point out that THEIR ancestors learned English...Well, I've had illegal immigrants as neighbors, friends and tenants, and most of them were learning English as well as paying taxes... What's the cheapest solution? A streamlining of immigration laws. A fine. A fee for rapid citizenship status. But that's too simple for some of you. You want an imaginary army kicking in imaginary doors and dragging off imaginary people. That's not practical or cheap or effective. In the end, it's kind of like arguing with the fetus-fetishists...When you point out that countries that offer safe and legal abortion as well as subsidized birth control have lower rates of abortion, they just stomp and parrot their cliches. Ultimately, they are more interested in feeling that somewhere, a boot is on somebody's head. |
