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Oladub
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Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 12:20 am:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A Ron Paul quote from last night's debate, “You’re saying now that we have to continue borrowing more money from China to finance this empire we can’t afford. Let me see if I get this right. We need to borrow $10 billion from China, and then we give it to Musharraf, who is a military dictator who overthrew an elected government, and then we go to war, we lose all these lives, promoting democracy in Iraq. I mean what’s going on here?”

This guy makes way too much sense and his message rattles the elites so the MSM repeats 18 year old allegations without witnesses hoping something will stick. Fodder for the sheeple.
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1-Martin Luther King Jr. -- a "pro-Communist philanderer."

2-"...describes carjacking as the "hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos."

3-Paul said the editor of publications "is responsible for daily activities." But he also cited "transition" and "changes" and said that some people were hired to write stories "but I didn't know their names."

Liar Denier

He does not even admit incompetence for not monitoring his constituent communications. But then that might call into question his judgment.

The buck stops where?
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Gannon
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Lowell,

Sorry about your number one, but that one is actually apparently quite true. There are MORE links, all one has to do is search on his death.


There is record of an Army sniper team dispatched from a local base, the theorists figure they were backup in case the Mafia's fellow didn't hit his mark. The entire assassination was recorded on film by some government agents who requested access to the fire station across the street from the motel.


Only curiosity is who in King's party moved him up to that second-floor room from the protected first-floor ones near the office...everything else is quite proven in sworn testimony, the man we know as Martin Luther King was assassinated by a collusion of bad men within our government hanging around in shadows doing their dirty deeds in an attempt at manipulating the sheople.


NO cheers on this one...
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Gannon
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Here's one more that comes from a different angle.

I didn't know any of this stuff until Mauser brought it up on another thread...blew me away.

Not surprised, because I ALWAYS suspected direct shadow government involvement in his death, but I had NO idea it had been documented and presented in sworn testimony in a court!
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Puh-lease Gannon... from your link... "The FBI under J. Edgar Hoover had run surveillance... "

King might have had affairs. I could care less than I care about Clinton's or Sen. Craig's. MLK is one of the most important positive figures in American history. Attempts to paint him red and remind anyone of his personal weaknesses are ONLY brought up by racists. Rep. Paul should know that and admit to it.
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Is it me, or does "Ron Paul" sound like a porn star's name?
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Mcp001
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Lowell, sources please?
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Oladub
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This story has been recycled in the liberal Daily Kos and the neocon Little Green Apples websites for months now. Fodder for the sheeple. Big government types slander him in unison. As normal, liberals and neocons, birds of a feather, are on one side. Ron Paul is on the other. A Google search would add that RP regularly cites MLK and Gandhi as personal heroes. People that have known RP for decades can't remember him uttering such things. Usually, public figures are caught saying such things on tape. No such tape exists here.

If there is an issue, it is that he did not better oversee a publication that had his name on it.

There are also some threads that Lew Rockwell ghostwrote the newsletter for RP. I have no idea if that is true or whether it is an attempt to smear libertarian RP supporter Lew Rockwell.

I'm glad that RP is so clean that his enemies have to resort to passing around 18 year old stories they can't prove he wrote to avoid dealing with his flip-flop free political history. This latest round was started up by a Hillary supporter who is a reporter for the New Republic. It was all over the news (surprise) the day before the NH primary. Wolf Blitzer did a piece on it. David Gergen, now a Rupert Murdoch employee, gets into the attack. The Blitzer piece started out by saying that none of the articles say who wrote them. Ron Paul's name is on the newsletter, not the articles. RP seemed a little pissed in the Wolf Blitzer attack and interview. Ron Paul did respond to Wolf Blitzer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =5CoQWAXuUyI

This story will probably damage Ron Paul's campaign if repeated enough. As Goebbels said,"Repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth." Its strange that while the MSM outlets do such a good job of keeping RP off of the news, they have all sorts of time available to report a negative story, even a weak one, about Ron Paul. One might get the idea that MSM has an agenda.
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Lowell
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Mcp001 follow Vic Doucette's link above.

Oladub, I am inclined to like a lot of what Paul advocates, so this came as a bit of a shock, but then campaigns have a way of bringing the skeletons out of the closet.

However, digging out Goebbel's "Repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth," isn't appropriate here, because the fact is that garbage was printed in his newsletter with his name all over it, something he does not deny and indeed tries to push off on others.

So why didn't he disavow it back then? Why didn't he disavow it in the intervening years? To paraphrase Goebbels, 'let a slur lie undisavowed for a thousand years and it becomes the truth about you.'
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Rogerjab
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Lowell he didn't disavow it because Ron Paul is a wolf in sheep's clothing. The article which you note was from the "New Republic". It's just truly amazing the amount of support that he's garnered, what's even more amazing is that when you show his supporters the evidence of his racism they just deny it and claim it's a lie. Ya really gotta wonder about those supporters, don't ya? The 4th reich, tell me it couldn't happen here?
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6nois
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He is just like all politicians. On gay marriage, he voted for DOMA, then voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment to make gay marriage unconstitutional not because he believes in the individuals right but because marriage is a religious institution, which is arguable, as well as he feels it is a states rights issue, but now on the campaign trail he says that its an individuals issue and their choice as to who they make associations with. So this all begs the question where does he really stand on the issue? No one knows. So he really is like all the others, plus he can't even monitor his own newsletter.
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Gannon
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Even former co-workers have blown the whistle on King’s scurrilous conduct. The Rev. Ralph Abernathy, in his book, And the Wall Came Tumbling Down, King spent his last night in the motel having an immoral liason with three women and then beat one of the woman in the morning before he was shot.




Back-atcha!
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Gannon
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Lowell,

Your statement that anything revealing the truth about King could ONLY be painted by a racist is simply not true.

I can see how one could believe it as you say, but ONLY if they were abnormally protecting an entire race from constructive criticism.

Would it be a problem if we lose ALL our heroes?

Every one of 'em has been found to be merely human, there are NO pure individuals on the planet. None.


To imagine such is to build false expectations of people.


To force any and everything they say to ONLY be valid IF they are pure then paints one into a horrible corner...because they WILL be found to be human. (that might be why we jump with glee when the 'righteously vocal' of any flavor we dislike are found to be hypocrites, yet conveniently IGNORE when the same is found in those we like!)


Even Mother Theresa would lose her status if the Absolutists of the World had their way! She was found through her writings after she died to be DEVOID OF FAITH for MOST of her adult life of service in India! She said she sought God and didn't find the solace in the Spirit she knew as a young girl, and thusly spent her entire life not knowing she was doing the right thing.



Does that make HER less of a saint? Some people say doubting God might disqualify her...heh.

Absolutists who want to make a messiah out of their heroes will ALL be let down, same with everyone who expects similar out of their politicians!


Martin Luther King's public speeches and the ideals that helped solidify, unify, and motivate the civil rights movement should NOT be marginalized because his personality now has more depth. He is more human. Can a man of occasional lapses in judgement or spurious tendencies still do positive things and affect people for the betterment of all? Apparently so...in many more cases than just this one!


Plus, it helps explain why someone close to him who could direct 'traffic' so to speak, would change the room reservation and then be conveniently downstairs when King was shot. I've never really trusted a few of the fellows who benefitted from King's absence from the scene, mostly Jesse Jackson.



H-m-m-m-n-n...so nah, I'm OK with this stuff being true, and NOW I understand why Mauser hadn't brought it up before...MLK is an untouchable to some people!


Do you remember when the Kennedy's were, too?!


We dredged for Marilyn's 'innocence' after she was killed, as well. We needs us our icons!
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Oladub
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6nois, Ron Paul always votes against things not allowed by the Constitution. Check out the 10th Amendment. If other politicians did the same, they wouldn't have bankrupted this country with an illegal war. Ron Paul believes issues such as abortion, education, and same-sex marriage should be determined at the local and state level rather than by lobbyists in Washington,D.C..

Lowell, He has disavowed the articles, condemned them, as well as accepted moral responsibility for them in the intervening years. It doesn't matter because the story keeps being recycled. Hence, the Goebell's quote.

Rogerjab, you are welcome to tar people by calling them racists if that is your inclination but, as previously mentioned, 1) there is no evidence that Ron Paul wrote these articles 2)He has long denied writing them 3)there are no author's names on the articles cited 4)Nobody who has known Ron Paul for so many years has ever heard him say anything of the sort 5)there are no audio tapes of any such quotes 6)the articles were written when Ron Paul was running an OB/GYN practice and not in Congress. I have been a Ron Paul supporter for many months now and find these allegations totally inconsistent with anything in his record. Call me a racist if you wish but I have no evidence after spending hundreds of hours self-educating myself to accommodate your beliefs.

What I think is more racist is a system that keeps throwing crumbs to blacks (thank you Democrats) and keeps a significant percentage of the black male population in prisons (thank you Republicans) for victimless crimes and/or in higher percentages than their white counterparts although convicted of the same things, a system that is long on promise and short on freedom. New Orleans comes to mind. The federal government built the dykes. When they didn't work, mostly black residents were disarmed, shoved into the dome, and not fed by the governments of New Orleans, Louisiana, and President Bush's FEMA. Trust and depend on governments at your own risk. Some people learn. That's why Ron Paul has more support in the black community, at least before this race bating, than other Republican candidates. African-Americans have as much or more reason to value liberty than most of us.

My personal belief is that this country is drifting into economic fascism (corporatism) because of the policies of liberal Democrats and neocon Republicans. These are the folks bringing us things like NAFTA, GATT, OPIC, and the WTO. Ron Paul is the only candidate, besides Kucinich, who opposes them. Do you think these things have helped the job situation in Detroit? If so, then by all means, vote for someone else of either party who has a political record of being a flip-flopper, taxer, lier, cross-dresser, Chinese agent, socialist, lawyer, or is an inexperienced empty suit. These are the folks who have a history of hastening corporatism . Instead, Ron Paul has a 20 year history of supporting the Constitution. I don't think I'm much of a racist and I know I'm not a masochist.

If the corporatist shills had some reason to attack Ron Paul's twenty year Congressional record, they would do that instead.
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I was hoping that you weren't going to say that, Lowell.

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CNN recently obtained the newsletters -- written in the 1990s and one from the late 1980s -- after a report was published about their existence in The New Republic.

None of the newsletters CNN found says who wrote them, but each was published under Paul's name between his stints as a U.S. congressman from Texas.



I did catch the story on CNN a while back.

Not knowing exactly who wrote these "newsletters" shot down all credibility of this "story" right there.
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"Not knowing exactly who wrote these "newsletters" shot down all credibility of this "story" right there"

Who wrote the letters and whose name is at the top of the letterhead are one in the same. The buck must stop somewhere, in this case I don't care how much he and his minions claim otherwise, this one closes the deal.

Ron Paul is done, and so are his free market supporters, thank goodness for that IMHO. This free market b.s. has taken us here and it's time we start becoming a "we" society instead of a the "me" society we've been rotting in.

We're the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't have universal health care, and we're also last in health care of all the Industrial countries in preventable death rate http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/S cience/2008/01/08/us_last_in_p reventable_death_rate/1009/.

It's all over for you Paul dino's. Maybe he should get George Allen as a running mate, as you know he never knew where the term "Macaca" came from either, he just made it up as I recall.
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Lowell
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Oladub, I agree with, "My personal belief is that this country is drifting into economic fascism (corporatism) because of the policies of liberal Democrats and neocon Republicans. These are the folks bringing us things like NAFTA, GATT, OPIC, and the WTO." I would only change the tense of that statement from drifting to already there. Unfortunately both candidates who emphasize this don't have what it takes to get elected.

Gannon, I didn't mean to impugn you in anyway. My point about King's alleged affairs (and they are alleged, not proven, unlike Clinton's DNA) is that when it becomes a part of newsletters that also contains, "the LA riots, says 'order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks,'" the intent seems abundantly clear. It was used by a racist for racist purposes and the political gains that carries with it.

I am willing to accept that Paul has disavowed that and that he doesn't hold those beliefs, but my point is that it was allowed and allowed to stand unchallenged for a long time, yet I have not seen where he has stepped up and at least admitted incompetence in not managing his communications. Buck stops here stuff.

Being a left [small l] libertarian, I have other issues with Paul, namely his anti-libertarian anti-choice stance. Laws that affect only one gender are unjust by definition.

I will give him this. Choosing to run as a Democrat, after failing miserably as a Libertarian Party candidate, was brilliant. He could never raise the kind of money and attention he garnered with his candidacy.

I totally expect him to go off in a righteous huff back to the Libertarian Party carry off millions in donations to that cause and hundreds of thousands of new true believers in the process. And I hope he does. I would like to see a viable third party emerge surrounding personal liberty issues.
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Gannon
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Thanks, Lowell, I wasn't taking it in context, obviously. You're right, after those additions. That MLK stuff was just too new to me, I'm still wrestling with the fact that fellows in that Army detail reportedly filmed the entire event, any way you look at it...it just gets uglier.


I do sense some momentum building in the discontented, and wonder if it is a good thing to build BEFORE we collectively try to turn this ship...

I, too, would love to see a viable party...and welcome even the emergence of a number of them so we may learn how to politically make consensus again!


Cheers!
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Rogerjab, I guess when you succeed at replacing 'me' with 'we', then what is 'mine' becomes 'ours'. Thank you for clarifying that you are a socialist. Saying," Who wrote the letters and whose name is at the top of the letterhead are one in the same" does not prove it. Ron Paul said he did not write that. Either he is a liar or you are wrong. It don't think he is a liar. If you want a health care plan, do it at the state level like California or Massachusetts. There won't be any 'affordable' health care, either free market or state run, until the lawyers are taken out as in Canada. That's step one.

I think this would have been more serious if Ron Paul, himself, had said something like Hillary did when she told a St. Louis audience that Mahatma Gandhi used to run a gas station in their hometown. Republicans and sportscasters usually lose there jobs when they say such things. "The administrator at the Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence in Tennessee said, "I find it offensive when people use stereotypes in that way.""

Or what about former Democratic presidential candidate Jessie Jackson, now an Obama co-chairman, who referred to Jews as “Hymies” and NY City as "Hymietown"? Or how about last Wednesday when Hillary supporter Mario Cuomo referred to Obama as shucking and jiving? Or what about former candidate Joe Biden who in 2007 described Obama as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” Ron Paul's former ghostwriters must now be providing the Hillary camp with talking points! I would rather have Democratic candidates be caught saying that stuff live on camera themselves.

I'm looking forward to catching your similar outraged comments on the end of Hillary and Obama threads. I mean, its bad enough what was printed in Ron Paul newsletters 18 years ago. I can hardly wait to hear what you have to say about whats going on on the Hillary and Obama camps over the the last couple of weeks.
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Lowell, I agree that Ron Paul's problem was that he did not ride herd on what was going on in his newsletter while working as an OB/GYN in Texas. His other problem is an orchestrated attempt to discredit him by some who don't like his non status quo message.

Ron Paul is personally against abortion. He told the NY Times that, as a med student, he happened into an abortion. He said the baby/foetus was set on a shelf. It struggled for breath until it died. Ron Paul said that everyone in the room pretended not to notice. He says Row vs. Wade is unconstitutional. However, he says the 10th Amendment allows states to allow or forbid abortion. His position is both libertarian and constitutional.

Ron Paul is running as a Republican, for all his libertarian ways, because he has been elected ten times as a Republican. Corporate financed candidates have a better shot at winning than Ron Paul. It might only be when Americans have to deal with a new war in Iran, the collapse of the dollar, the whole country is turned into an airport like security area, or the economy collapses that Americans will probably say 'wasn't that Ron Paul guy saying something about this?'. It will probably be too late.
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Ron Paul is the last standing presidential candidate who wants to bring the troops home, will keep us out of Iran and Pakistan, has a plan to keep social security funded, has a record of opposing illegal immigration, is 100% on the 2nd Amendment, opposes NAFTA things, will protect our privacy, wants to end the IRS and replace it with nothing but spending cuts, and scrupulously observes the Constitution.

If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you will get evil. In this primary we still have a choice.
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For not being much of a contender as many claim, there sure are a lot of PAUL signs and bumper stickers in the area.
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Yes, I was up just north of Flint during the holidays to go to Crossroads Village and Huckleberry Railroad and I could swear Ron Paul was a frontrunner with all the yard signs for him around.
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Too bad for Paul that yard signs cannot vote for him.
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For not being a "contender" its curious that these newsletters are getting so much press. Conspiracy? (joke...kindof)
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Back up, did someone just call carter a great leader because last time I looked he was a horrible president. Its amazing to me that people want to go back to 1920's policies that did'nt work and in fact made the U.S. and the world weaker. Shame on Ron Paul and anyone who supports him for trying to weaken the U.S.
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^ And Bush and his supporters are making us stronger? Bush is not a patriot, he's a puppet for corporations.

I'll take 1920 and the direction the country was heading over 2008 and the direction we're heading any day of the week.
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So you think we are headed into a depression thats greater then in the 1930's and a war greater then the 1940's. I think sstashmoo just made a good point about the IQ of the ron paul supporters
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Quote: "I think sstashmoo just made a good point about the IQ of the ron paul supporters"

Typical ignorant Bush supporter reply. Attack the poster personally. Dbest, we're losing our manufacturing base here by the day. Our government currently operates on 1.5 trillion in borrowed funds. Our "real" national debt is close to 46 trillion dollars. Obviously adding another zero to a billion doesn't mean much to Bush supporters. If China or the Saudi's pulled out on us, 1929 would look like shangrila. Don't worry though, the agenda is on track. Corporate media has already blackballed Ron Paul and the sheep are signing off on it. "We don't have room in our studio" What a f'ing laugh.

To answer your question, Yes, I think we are if we don't change course.
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Dbest, look around. When President Bush assumed office, oil cost $27 a barrel and we had a balanced budget. Michigan's unemployment is now 8.5%. Our military equipment is wearing out half way around the world. To replace it , we have to borrow from China. 5,000 Americans are gone. Some of our border guards have been transferred from the Mexican border to the Syrian border. We don't make things here anymore. Our dollar is collapsing. If thats not bad enough, yesterday President Bush called on allies to confront Iran "before it's too late". But we can't afford to confront Iran or institute new social programs because this country is broke. How does that make us strong? The economy was 'roaring' in the 20's. It no longer is.

Ron Paul is the only option to more of same. Stop dreaming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IWfIhFhelm8
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Let me answers some questions.1= We still give out more money then we borrow.2=We borrow more from the EU and Canada then we do China or India.3= energy has been a problem for presidents since ford in the mid 1970's. Bush does not control the oil markets, OPEC does.5= we still make more goods then any other country.6= The economy was'nt roaring in the 20's it was only roaring for the rich.6=last time I looked the unemployment rate is still very low.7=Why would china want to pull out on us? they need us more then we need them.
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Why stop THERE?


I'd roll BACK to 1908.
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quote:

Who wrote the letters and whose name is at the top of the letterhead are one in the same. The buck must stop somewhere, in this case I don't care how much he and his minions claim otherwise, this one closes the deal.



That's a pretty strong accusation, Rogerjab. And just how did you come to that conclusion?

If you feel that everything on the internet can be taken at face value, then I have some wonderful footage of a moon landing "rehearsal" and an alien interrogation for you to mull over.
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Ron Paul says it right "we don't have the money"

He's way too responsible and realistic to ever be president. The country is brainwashed and to ever be a contender, one must play on that.

The only candidate that speaks his mind. The rest I'm always watching for the strings. They act like zombie borgs reciting something that was told to them in a hypnotic state.

"Staying the course" "We're going to win this war" "They'll never be able to say they won and I'll make sure of it" It makes absolutely no sense.
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Dbest, Ron Paul wants the federal government to live within its means by reducing spending and spending only on things allowed by the Constitution. You are advocating the polar opposite by advocating an illegal war financed by China. You are far more trusting of Communist China than Ron Paul.

At the 1/10 Fox debate, Ron Paul was asked about some of this. His answer was such that Fox News deleted it from their video transcript of the debate. This is Ron Paul's deleted reply.- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =p8TkmE5t1Pk
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Gannon
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Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for that, Oladub.


It was deleted from the transcript, so their sheople wouldn't stumble upon it by mistake.


Wouldn't want them to doubt what's been handed to them, now, would we?!


heh


Cheers!
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Dbest
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who does'nt want to reduce spending, but should we reduce spending on the poor that makes up most of or budget,or should we reduce spending on the military and make the us at great risks?
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Mcp001
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What's wrong with reducing spending, letting us keep our own money, and then deciding where our money should go?
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Cinderpath
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Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oladub writes:

"At the 1/10 Fox debate, Ron Paul was asked about some of this. His answer was such that Fox News deleted it from their video transcript of the debate. This is Ron Paul's deleted reply.- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =p8TkmE5t1Pk"

Sweet! Thanks for the link!

Voting tomorrow!

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