Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior
Post Number: 3283 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 9:24 am: | |
If you plan to vote in the Michigan Primary as a Democrat, please remember this: If you want to vote for a democratic candidate and your candidate is not listed on the ballot, vote “uncommitted”. DO NOT write your candidates name anywhere on the regular or absentee ballot because it will be thrown out as a SPOILED ballot. Just mark the “Uncommitted” box. Delegates from the uncommitted pool will be assigned at the Michigan Democratic Party state convention on March 29th. |
Gravitymachine Member Username: Gravitymachine
Post Number: 1923 Registered: 05-2005
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 10:55 am: | |
good post zulu, but will those delegates even be allowed into the national convention? I heard something on the radio saying that the DNC has even started to give up hotel rooms reserved for the michigan delegates |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4579 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 10:58 am: | |
The DNC did tell the Michigan Democratic Party that their hotel rooms would NOT be reserved. http://www.mlive.com/newsflash /index.ssf?/base/politics-1/11 9973006375700.xml&storylist=ne wsmichigan
quote:LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan Democrats no longer can count on getting hotel rooms at their national convention in Denver. The Democratic National Committee's Rules Committee last month stripped Michigan of its 156 national convention delegates as punishment for scheduling an early presidential primary in violation of party rules. State party officials had until Saturday to come up with an alternative to the Jan. 15 contest, but declined to do so. That decision caused the DNC to informally tell state Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer that the party no longer has reservations at the Red Lion Hotel Denver Central during the Aug. 25-28 convention, state party spokesman Jason Moon said Monday. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 3230 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:07 am: | |
Good...this is the party's deal...THEY'RE the ones who decide on the process by which they determine who they're going to run in the general election... If I started a political party today and the states tried to alter the process by which I select my candidate, I'd tell them to go have intercourse with themselves, just like the DNC is doing. primaries are not part of the constitutional process by which we select a president. they are 100% the parties' deal. |
Mackcreative Member Username: Mackcreative
Post Number: 160 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:09 am: | |
Is anyone else switching teams tomorrow (voting Republican)? |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4580 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:10 am: | |
Nonetheless, in four years Michigan's primary will be in a more relevant part of the primary process, and the punishments will be over. Bad in the short term, good in the long. The midwest needed some better representation in the process, so our unique problems and needs can be considered. |
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox
Post Number: 480 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:16 am: | |
quote:Is anyone else switching teams tomorrow (voting Republican)? I can't stand a single one of them. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 3233 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:20 am: | |
"Is anyone else switching teams tomorrow (voting Republican)?" For God's sake, man...the last thing this country needs is 4 more years of the same tired and broken policies... We need to stop the bleeding now... I've never voted for a Republican in a national election and I'm sure as shit not going to be any time soon Vote Democrat like you life depends on it P.S. Of course, if you're switching just to vote for Republican candidate that has the smallest chance of winning the national election, vote Huckabee |
Cinderpath Member Username: Cinderpath
Post Number: 368 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:48 am: | |
"Is anyone else switching teams tomorrow (voting Republican)?" I'm voting in the Republican primary tomorrow. The Democrats don't want our delegates from Michigan, so screw 'em. Besides, there is no harm in voting in the Republican primary. November is a long ways away at this point. Besides the Michigan Republican primary is pivotal to the Republican race. Remember, when Mc Cain beat Bush here in 2000? Good times. Ron Paul 2008! (Message edited by Cinderpath on January 14, 2008) |
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox
Post Number: 483 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:54 am: | |
quote:Ron Paul 2008! Spare me, please. I realize I'm probably the only person left on earth who actually cares about the environment, but have you listened to what Paul has to say on that issue? Until I heard about Ron Paul, I never thought it was possible for someone to know or care less about the environment than George Bush does. I now stand corrected. |
Mackcreative Member Username: Mackcreative
Post Number: 161 Registered: 08-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:54 am: | |
I'm right there with you Cinderpath! My first ever Republican vote. |
Gannon Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 11328 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 11:55 am: | |
Cinderpath, I'm with you in this! Cheers. Ron Paul 2008, turn some heads! Make them notice. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4582 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:05 pm: | |
I will bet any money, that come November, some unscrupulous Republicans will play on this and try to cause confusion amongst uninformed voters by putting out stories that your vote for president won't count if you vote Democrat. |
Melody Member Username: Melody
Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2007
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:12 pm: | |
"Is anyone else switching teams tomorrow (voting Republican)?" No. Friggin. Way. |
Ja1mz Member Username: Ja1mz
Post Number: 77 Registered: 02-2007
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:32 pm: | |
If you plan to vote in the Michigan Primary as a Democrat, please remember this: Why? |
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc
Post Number: 96 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:40 pm: | |
Doesn't anyone realize, that voting uncommitted in what appears to be a very close race could be a strong arm for the Michigan Democratic Party? If the race is close going into the convention, which, I think it might be, Michigan's delegates will be necessary in choosing the party's nominee. It is not a set in stone punishment, as the DNC is expected to allow Michigan's delegates to participate anyway. |
Rogerjab Member Username: Rogerjab
Post Number: 69 Registered: 06-2005
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:55 pm: | |
If you want to be ruled by the Corporations vote Republican and you want to be a Corporate super shill vote Ron Paul. Not only does he want to end all goverment regulation and leave everything to the free market (gee, I can't wait for private police and fire departments can you?) He also wants the good old free market a.k.a. corporations to run health care (well guess we don't need to change there). Boy that free market philosophy seems to work wonders doesn't it, look at oil, the free market has given a fair price there. Did I mention that Paul is supported by David Duke. Ron Paul 2008. http://www.tnr.com/politics/st ory.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca |
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 902 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:13 pm: | |
If you want a pathological lying socialist who will say or do anything to get elected vote Hilary. It is interesting to see the first 'black' president Bill Clinton and Hilary, use racial undertones to attack Obama. I hope the Dem's DO take away the delegates, it would be very funny to see on national tv. |
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 2224 Registered: 10-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:15 pm: | |
"Remember, when Bush beat Mc Cain here in 2000? Good times." Actually I think that that was the other way around. |
Cinderpath Member Username: Cinderpath
Post Number: 369 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:22 pm: | |
Please- I don't agree with a lot of what Ron Paul says, but it is not like he is realistically going to be elected. Get a grip, when in history has there been a time when a candidate is elected and they get 100% of their agenda? Never. Ron Paul is the only Republican against the war, and frankly that is a very important issue to me. Frankly I am really disturbed that Hillary voted for it, and has not apologized, for this horrible lack of judgement on her part. Voting for Ron Paul creates an opportunity to change Republican dialog. I encourage others to do the same. We'll see what happens in November, but right now there is an opportunity to change some things on the other side. I have no regrets about doing so. (Message edited by Cinderpath on January 14, 2008) |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4587 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:24 pm: | |
https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5843/5843.html |
Cinderpath Member Username: Cinderpath
Post Number: 370 Registered: 05-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:26 pm: | |
"Remember, when Bush beat Mc Cain here in 2000? Good times." Actually I think that that was the other way around. I did mix that up- thanks, I fixed it. |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2514 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:33 pm: | |
quote:Ron Paul is the only Republican against the war, and frankly that is a very important issue to me. Frankly I am really disturbed that Hillary voted for it, and has not apologized, for this horrible lack of judgement on her part. Voting for Ron Paul creates an opportunity to change Republican dialog.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI CS/01/10/paul.newsletters/inde x.html If it's important enough to vote for an open racist and homophobe then by all means, cast away! (Message edited by iheartthed on January 14, 2008) |
Pam Member Username: Pam
Post Number: 3289 Registered: 11-2005
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:48 pm: | |
quote:Ron Paul is the only Republican against the war, and frankly that is a very important issue to me. Frankly I am really disturbed that Hillary voted for it, and has not apologized, for this horrible lack of judgement on her part. It is an important issue to me too. So why vote for the party that started the war? Vote for Kucinich: http://www.dennis4president.co m/go/issues/
quote:Dennis Kucinich is the only democrat running for President who has voted against authorizing the war in Iraq and against funding its continuation |
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior
Post Number: 3284 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 1:58 pm: | |
My understanding is that uncommitted delegates will be apportioned at the Michigan Democratic Party meeting on March 29th. This means if you want Edwards or Obama, the uncommitted vote does two things: 1) It will not assign your vote to Hillary 2) It will be seen as a vote for Edwards or Obama and will be apportioned as such at the convention. According to the MDP it is best to vote this way if you dont want Hillary or Kucininch. |
Zulu_warrior Member Username: Zulu_warrior
Post Number: 3285 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:07 pm: | |
Here is the link to the rules for the Michigan Democratic Party regarding the delegates including uncommitted: http://www.michigandems.com/20 08DSP.pdf |
Cjdb16 Member Username: Cjdb16
Post Number: 173 Registered: 11-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:11 pm: | |
I will vote Uncommitted. If you are an OBAMA supporter you will love this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =W8SdJhVCRJM |
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2515 Registered: 04-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:13 pm: | |
The funny thing is that while people are bitching about Obama and Edwards removing their names from the ballot, Hillary set it up so that she can win without having to set foot in your state. |
Thejesus Member Username: Thejesus
Post Number: 3236 Registered: 06-2006
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:21 pm: | |
^she set it up, huh? sounds tricky...what did she do, exactly? |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4589 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 2:24 pm: | |
She hypnotized both the Republican and Democratic parties of Michigan into moving the primary date, then she hypnotized the National parties into punishing Michigan by removing delegates. She then hypnotized the other candidates into dropping out to further punish the State, but Kucinich wasn't watching her swinging watch hard enough, so he forgot to fill out his paperwork to drop out in time. |