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Bigcab
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 8:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So...I bought a Hot Dog Cart on ebay, traveled to sunny Florida to pick it up with the intent to operate it in Detroit.I will need a high foot traffic location,and it has to be at least 500 feet away from an establishment that sells hot dogs (no parking it in front of Lafayette Coney Where would YOU put a hot dog cart ?
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Pgn421
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 8:49 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bigcab- I was in Fla recently, looking into the same operation.Changed my mind too much politics down there. Anyhow, when the weather is nice id put it on the Riverwalk, if i could. Is licensing hard to get here?
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321brian
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 8:56 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Move it from place to place depending on what is going on.

I don't think there is one place you can count on for steady business every day.
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Kenp
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 9:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Your going to have to be a nomad. Tiger games, summer festivals things like that. If you pick your spots and times you could do ok.
Does the city allow you to move around or do you have to pick a spot and stay their?
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Lo_to_d
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 9:24 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

maybe somewhere by the DMC?
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Pgn421
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 9:34 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In Florida, Ft.Myers, you have a mobile permit and a stationary permit. But, they are not issuing any more permits. They do not allow you to sell dogs along the beach.Plus, i talked to a couple vendors, and they both said business is down.
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Kenp
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 9:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I always liked the Hot dog girls in FLorida. They would station themselves on the side of a highway, wearing skimpy outfits and bending over a lot. The old geezers loved that
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Detroitstar
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 9:52 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If allowed, somewhere on the WSU campus. I cannot tell you how many times I've needed a cheap meal on the go and not had time to stop in to anywhere to pick something up.
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Urbanoutdoors
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 9:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Also eastern market saturdays.
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Pgn421
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 10:48 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Big Cab- Have you found out about licensing,health dept,food handler license? Eastern Market sounds good. How about Belle Isle?
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Chitaku
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 10:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

WSU is a good idea
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Bigcab
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:04 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pgn421 : No license yet...I'm anticipating a typical bureaucratic type nightmare. BUT the cart is brand new with 4 sinks on the side.

Detroit Star and Chitaku : Any specifics on the WSU location idea ? Must be City Sidewalk or private property with owner permission. Good intersection with high foot traffic.Thanks for the replies so far
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Tiorted
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i'd put the cart here:

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Bigcab
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 11:25 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tiorted..Wow nice ! I like the way you think !
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Pgn421
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 12:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BigCab- Keep us posted! Im always in the mood for a dog!
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Bigcab
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 12:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

pgn - me too..Hopefully I'll get sick of them from being around the hot dogs so much, otherwise Im gonna weigh 600lbs. So far WSU looks good. I wonder if the Florida vendors were trying to steer You wrong to keep the competition away ?
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Detroitrise
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 12:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Try Woodward and Warren or the Financial District.
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Melody
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 12:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pick up a newspaper and find out when the big concerts are and stand outside the venue when they get out. This goes for big shows at Small venues that don't serve food too.
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Rjk
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 12:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7v5ytejpW98
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Detroitstar
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 12:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Anthony Wayne Dr. right outside the residence halls is always an extremely busy pedestrian area. I'm not sure if that is a public or private sidewalk though. Also Cass Ave just North of Warren.
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401don
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 1:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If allowed I would move around at the foot of major office buildings different days of the week. i.e. Penobscot folks know - Tuesday is hot dog day!

Every corner in Toronto is licensed. Eventually, if the city allows unrestricted movement, you'll have turf wars.
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Dan
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 1:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Get a metro times, and watch the clubs.

When there are not sporting events the clubs can supply allot of business, thought you have to hang out till 2am.

Concerts might be easier, State Theater's line, St. Andrews, etc.
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Dan
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 1:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Will you have tofu dogs?
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Viziondetroit
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 1:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have an idea... I'm a photographer and I am at clubs all over southeast Michigan.

The BEST location I have seen is outside of clubs at 2:00AM if you are looking to make some money at night as well. Elysium (on Shelby and Congress)has a vendor there and it is PACKED EVERY Friday and Saturday night. Tiki Bob's and Visions in Pontiac is packed as well. They used to sell pizzas outside of The Emerald in Mt. Clemens which did very well.

I would assemble a small crew of maybe 3-4 people that night for staffing needs as well as security and cater to the crowds of people starving after a night of drinking and dancing.

Shoot me a message offline and we can rap more kevin at crushmediagroup dot com
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Pgn421
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 1:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BigCab- send me an email pgn421@comcast.net
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Detroit_stylin
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 4:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ok I know off-topic but Vizion since I now know that you are a photographer, can I speak with you on some photographic issues?

You can email me @ detroitstylin2000 at yahoo dot com
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Jams
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 5:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bigcab,

You'll love the hoops you'll be jumping through with the City.

First off, you'll be limited to a single location, pick wisely, although you will probably find many locations are already reserved by someone or otherwise "unavailable".

I looked into setting up a cart a few years ago, and decided bartending was a bit more lucrative.

Good luck with the venture and let us know your location.

I might suggest another use for your cart, while you dance with the City for all the approvals necessary.

Rent yourself out for birthday parties, picnics golf outings, street fairs, etc. Eliminates some of the onerous burdens and restrictions the City demands and you have the luxury of a single check guaranteed.
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Viziondetroit
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 5:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't just limit yourself to Detroit look @ some of the surrounding cities that have a business district.
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The_rock
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 6:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Check out the hot dog cart in GPW in front of Alexander and Polen on Mack. That baby gets a lot of business, especially in the summer time. It's practically a landmark now.
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Pgn421
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Yeah,They own the store. Im surprised GPW hasnt said anything. Being it on the sidewalk. Frank the owner probably made a deal.
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Dannaroo
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I would love for there to be a hot dog cart around WSU. I would recommend somewhere on Cass around Warren or on Third across from the parking lots/garages.

I think on Cass though would probably get a lot more foot traffic right there with Barnes & Noble, Marwill, Old Main, State Hall...
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Bigcab
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 10:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jams: The City has voted on approving more vending locations :

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20080115/NEW S01/80115045/1003/NEWS01
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Fareastsider
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Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 10:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

St Cyril & Erbie Street
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Jams
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Glad to see that.

Wish the best for you, and hope you will have sauerkraut and mustard to top those dogs.

Although, I also like that nuclear green relish and pickles of the Chicago-style dogs.
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Wolverine
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Kind of off topic, but I always loved the battle between two hot dog vendors in the heart of U of M's central campus. Right across the street from each other at the crosswalks. I can only imagine how ticked the first vendor was when competition showed up one day.
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Andylinn
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toss a couple of tofu dogs on that bad boy and i'll come a runnin'... seriously... I think if you had just a couple tofu dogs on the cart you'd get a little extra business.. healthy folk and vegetarians... not enough of that kind of food in detroit! - andy
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Lefty2
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Another vicious battle between entrepreneurs.This is one battle the government can't resolve.
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Irish_mafia
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The first thing that you want to do is to contact the DPD to make sure that they are not going to bring back the mounted patrols in any of these areas... you don't want to put the cart before the horse!
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Edziu
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Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 12:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hamtramck,
Just be sure they are halal.
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Bigcab
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Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 5:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Edziu

I get the halal joke,,but do you think Hamtramck would be a good spot ? for real ?
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65memories
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Dannaroo beat me to it...Wayne State, in front of State Hall.
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East_detroit
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Wayne State on the Northwest Corner of Cass and Warren.
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East_detroit
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Oh wait... 500 ft from a place that sells Hotdogs...

Thats too close to the Coney place on the Southeast Corner.

I guess I'd measure up Cass until the point where you are 500 ft away. If thats in front of State Hall, that would be great.
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The_rock
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Was it the Jack Benny or the Fred Allan radio show that had Mr. Kitzel, the Jewish hot dog vendor?
He would chant in his best Yiddish accent:
"Pickle in the middle and the mustard on top. Just the way you like 'em and ther're always hot!".
I am leaning toward Benny. Ask your grandparents. Winner gets a free dog at the GPW Alex/Polen hot dog stand on Mack.
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Neilr
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Have you considered a spot outside the 36th District Court on Madison or the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice Bldg.? There's lots of regularly occurring coming and going at those locations.
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Irish_mafia
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Would you care for some mustard with your last meal sir?
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Jack Benny with Artie Auerbach as Mr. Kitzel the Hot Dog Man.

Would you mind buying me a hot dog on the westside?

(Message edited by Jman on January 27, 2008)
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Bigcab
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Neilr: I had to pay a ticket a few years back at 36th...remember long lines of people waiting to pay too (inside) Great idea ! Seems like you would have the people and the workers too. Year round trade also. I wonder if WSU would have a slow season (Summer ?) Thanks for your input.
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Lefty2
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Too late there already is a dog stand in front of the 36th.

Put it in front of Comerica during baseball season, wait, better not, Illitch might have the DP vice squad arrest you for selling hot dogs too cheap.
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Anyplace is a good place fot a hot dog stand
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The_rock
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Thanks Jman---Jack Benny and Mr. Kitzel. A fine combination.
Yes, I could venture over to the west side. Seems to me the last time I was there, I was looking at a new DeSoto at the dealership on Livernois. So its been a while.I think there is a hot dog stand in front of the Montgomery Wards store in Dearborn, just East of city hall. Again, its been a while.
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Set up shop on the riverwalk in front of the ren-cen. On a sunny day there are lots of folks out there and nothing to eat or drink.
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Edziu
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Hamtramck has a lot of bars and a lot of people with the munchies after they close. But this is mainly on Fri.and Sat. Genie's Wienies did one heck of a business. They are gone now. There is a need, in my opinion for a late night, cheap eatery in Hamtramck. However Bigcab I don't know if a hot dog stand would fill the bill. You would do okay in the middle of July, but what about the middle of February? If somehow you could get permission to set up in or near a factory like the Poletown plant I am sure you would do well.

In Europe there are a lot of walk up sandwich, gyros etc. eateries. The kitchen portion is enclosed and people just walk up to a window and have a sandwich prepared while they wait. These always seem busy, even in the wee hours.

I would think you want to locate where there is a lot of foot traffic and students. Hamtramck is in need, but there would be a lot more foot traffic around WSU or near the ren cen. I don't know why White Castle doesn't set up shop in Hamtramck.
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Bigcab, just a few practical questions: How will you transport your cart to wherever you're going to keep it during off-hours? Parking a van or truck in some locations could be a problem. Unless you have a partner, who will watch the cart while one of you gets the transport vehicle? Finally, what are the chances of getting robbed, especially if you're out there by yourself?
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There used to be a guy set up in front of the Farmer Jacks on Jefferson and St. Jean. He made a killing. I used to chat with him on a regular basis as I have an older cart myself. He got more business by word of mouth in front of that supermarket than he could handle. The store is of course now closed and he unfortunatly has passed away but he used to tell me that he was approached and eventually set up at St. Andrews hall on the weekends. He told me it was a gold mine but he had to be there when the crowds got out at 2 am and he said it was extreamely dangerous. He ended up pulling out of there.
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Jman
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Rock, I know what you mean. The last time I had lunch on the eastside was at a brand new restaurant. If I remember correctly the name was something like Al Greene's On The Hill.
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The_rock
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Good spot, too! Al Greene was featured in the local paper recently. Then there was Huck's Lakeshore, the Bronze Door and The Golden Lion. No hot dog carts in front of those places I can assure you.

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