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Lo_to_d
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 4:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am very disappointed in the finished product at Mack and Beaubian. This project was very uplifting to me as I drove by it every day and witnessed the progression. It was a sign of progress on a smaller scale that meant a lot to me. The expansion of a medical office... good attention to detail, nice material selection, nice landscaping. Then at completion... BOOM, huge metal roll-up gates put on the outside of the windows. It looks terrible, I cannot stress enough what it does psychologically to the people of the area. Why waste so much good money on nice building materials, and then ruin it with huge metal roll-downs. I know security is a concern here, but there are examples of doing the gates on the inside of the window... T-Mobile at Mack and Woodward, Sole Sistas at John R. They should outlaw exterior window gates in the zoning ordinance. That progression of that building always brought a smile to my face, but not now. I would rather see a vinyl sided building with no exterior roll up gates.
Sorry, just venting.
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Detroitnerd
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Post Number: 1825
Registered: 07-2004
Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 4:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wonder if they got a better insurance rate because of the roll-down gates.
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Rsa
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Post Number: 1376
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 5:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

during construction, at almost 90% completion, scrappers got in and stole the copper piping out of the basement. this was already after the water had been turned on. the owners then panicked and added them on after the fact. i don't know if it was a requirement of their insurance company, if it lowered the rates, or simply panic and paranoia.

the good news is that they have repaired all the damage and have fully completed the building and are expected to open soon.

the interesting thing to me about this project is that it is an addition. the original small building is still buried in the middle. the addition tripled the size and almost completely enveloped the original building.
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Detroit313
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Post Number: 600
Registered: 02-2006
Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 5:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Any pics?

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Iddude313
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Post Number: 140
Registered: 07-2005
Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 7:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Security systems can be disguised or built more internally into a structure for aesthetics sake.
But most people wouldn't notice a dang thing wrong with what you noticed Lo_to_d.
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Lo_to_d
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 9:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

most people... except for the people who continue to call all parts of Detroit "the ghetto", even where there is new construction. Like I said, its a psychological thing. I wish scrappers could get more money for those gates. Then they would rip them off every building downtown and midtown. Here's a pic during construction. I'll try to get one of the finished product.


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Spitty
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Post Number: 658
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Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 10:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is it really panic and paranoia if they actually got their plumbing yoinked? I don't blame them for wanting to secure their investment.
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Lo_to_d
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 11:22 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They are helping the property value go down by putting them on the outside, aka their investment. I don't blame them for having security, but the gates are just as effective on the inside and they don't scream 'UNSAFE AREA' to every visitor.
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Yooper
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Post Number: 110
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Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 12:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, so that's the reason the property values are dropping. Thanks for the update.
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Lo_to_d
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 12:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The key word there was 'helping.' You would think property owners would try and be smarter than criminals instead of contributing to them pulling our city down... But thanks for your antagonistic post.
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Kjwick
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 2:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

smashed out windows cost a lot of money. for some reason, mindless window smashing is a favorite in the area.

so, if part of the goal is to save money in the long run, security gates on the inside are not as effective.

i do agree with you though, they did go overkill on the security. i love the metal bars covering the glass block windows on the west side of the building! talk about overkill....

but we have to give them credit for making a nice building. in my opinion, the benefit for the neighborhood because of their investment in the project surely outweighs the unpleasant aesthetic of the security.
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Sirrealone
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 2:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So far I've seen at least half a dozen people criticizing them for putting the security measures on their building, but so far not much talk criticizing the people that stole the copper pipes from the project, which led to the beefed up security. It's cause and effect. The cause: criminals taking what wasn't theirs from the owner's investment. The effect: unsightly security gates on the building.

Maybe spend more time addressing the cause (i.e. the criminals) and less blaming the owner for dealing with the effect.

I mean, think of it this way, if the owner didn't put gates on, they'd have a better chance of being broken into, which would then lead to them shutting the place down, which would mean abandoned buildings and de-investment in the city. This increases the likelihood of them staying in the city. Shouldn't it at least be considered that it could be a worthwhile trade off?
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Rsa
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Post Number: 1377
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 2:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

the last two posters bring up very good points. also, keep in mind, these types of security measurements can always be taken down later. the more permanent part (the building itself) is a very nice addition to the neighborhood, and will be for years to come.
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Ndavies
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Post Number: 2922
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Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 3:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll happily accept a nice new building with ugly metal security doors over a scrapped out hulk of a building that the owners ran away from due to the crime.

(Message edited by ndavies on January 25, 2008)
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Lo_to_d
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 07-2007
Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 4:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Believe me, I wish I could smack the shit out of those criminals. I realize it's their fault! However, its a reality. My point is, us law-abiding folks need to out smart them without being a detriment to our own community. Your right RSA they can be taken down, taken down and put on the inside. I'm sick of worthwhile tradeoffs. But, I'm done bitch'n too. Welcome to the neighborhood! I only hope the roll up doors don't become blank canvas for some two-bit graffiti artist.

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