  D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 151 Registered: 12-2007 |
^^ Does honking consist of making the noise...or were you being inappropriate? At which point, you would probably be booked for improper conduct... God I love the PATRIOT act. What a hypocritical name. The laws themselves are almost as bad as the people who say, " I am willing to sacrifice some of my god given, and constitutionally back rights and freedoms...if it means I will be a little bit safer." News flash...you're not any safer today than you were before 9/11 | ||
Sstashmoo Member Username: Sstashmoo Post Number: 957 Registered: 02-2007 |
Livonia is way over-zealous. That city is almost a police state with their traffic enforcement. Everyone is a suspect, not the type of community I'd ever live in. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1821 Registered: 07-2004 |
Glad to hear you're familiar with the institutional critique. Would that more were! In Detroit, I think it was just one time I ran into a cop I knew. It was over by the 13th district court, the day after I lost my traffic case, and it was the citing cop who met me. We were polite to each other, and he even gave me a little ribbing about the judge sticking it to me. Just to show: Even under unpleasant circumstances, I've been pleased when that "human interaction" comes into play. Even having a cop remember your name or face is impressive. When I was growing up, I heard a lot about "community policing", but it never seems to have happened, even though it was a key suggestion in the Kerner Commission's report in the late 1960s. I like hanging out in bars and talking to old-timers, and on the subject of police, this whole transformation -- of police from good-natured flatfoots who knew you by name into scout-car driving Big Fours -- is mentioned as a key turning point in many conversations with oldsters. As for cars, their ability to transform society into horn-honking, self-centered crumbs has never been fully appreciated. I rode the subways in New York for 11 years and seldom had as much conflict as I do daily on our mechanized highways. Is it that we in Detroit are truly ruder and more impatient than New Yorkers? Or is it the system? Your conversation with your fiancee illustrates it ably!  | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 11236 Registered: 10-2003 |
Nerd - Good points. I think that is why the city is now having cops 'walk the bat' again. On a side note "Ever hear of the Stanford study that picked college students at random to become "guards" or "prisoners"?" Stanford Prison Experiment: Distrubing experiment but a great band. | ||
Udmphikapbob Member Username: Udmphikapbob Post Number: 513 Registered: 07-2004 |
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. | ||
Stinger4me Member Username: Stinger4me Post Number: 136 Registered: 08-2007 |
I wonder if Ray1936 will ring in on this one. Being killed in the line of duty is a bit different than dying on a job. It would be interesting to see how many folks would share the same attitude working the streets on a midnight shift or checking some building which has been burglarized. | ||
Nainrouge Member Username: Nainrouge Post Number: 654 Registered: 05-2006 |
I live in Plymouth and never get pulled over. Twice I borrowed my father's rusted out pickup to haul some stuff and twice I got pulled over. Don't drive a rusted out pickup in Plymouth! | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 2592 Registered: 01-2005 |
No, I'm not going to ring in on this thread, Stinger. I don't have any problem with enforcement by profiling. That goes from local police departments to airports. It's simple logic. You look for things that don't fit; that just don't look right. The primary role of the police is the PREVENTION of crime. So you exercise logic to do so. Dang, you made me ring in after all. | ||
Stinger4me Member Username: Stinger4me Post Number: 137 Registered: 08-2007 |
I am not sure I want an analysis of the mentality that came up with this profiling thing. Thanks for ringing in though. (Message edited by Stinger4me on January 23, 2008) | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 11240 Registered: 10-2003 |
Ray - Some level of profiling is needed in police work when there is a available information. Black man in Livonia or Middle Eastern man at the airport is a whole different story. Arbitrary profiling is not justifiable whether it be by race, ethnicity or class. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 2595 Registered: 01-2005 |
"Black man in Livonia or Middle Eastern man at the airport is a whole different story. Arbitrary profiling is not justifiable whether it be by race, ethnicity or class." Of course not, Jt1 and Stinger. But a Middle Eastern man tightly clutching a carry-on and pacing back and forth nervously while in line for the security check is worth extra attention. A black male with baggy pants with his panties hanging out pacing back and forth at an ATM in Livonia (or nearly anywhere) warrants investigation. It's not the person, it's the circumstance. Apologies to DYers who wear baggy pants with their panties hanging out. | ||
56packman Member Username: 56packman Post Number: 2015 Registered: 12-2005 |
Ask the folks who run El AL what they think about profiling, and why they are the most secure air carrier in the world. They aren't making 78 year old white-haired grannies take their shoes off. | ||
Terryh Member Username: Terryh Post Number: 658 Registered: 11-2006 |
Supposedly,(not really) we can move about freely and go wherever we want to go in America. There is no law that the locals, police included, have to welcome you with open arms. Profiling Americans based on their respective race is antagonistic and disrespectful. Want to profile?, In my view, every city; municipality and township should have a citizens group to monitor the police. I dont trust them. No offense Ray, but why assume that I as a white guy in Detroit is looking for drugs or prostitutes (to each their own I prefer escort services), when in reality I could be leaving the club; dropping off my girlfriend (one of my exes was a young West African lady who lived off of Fenkell) always expected the cops to stop us after the club assuming she was a hooker or we were into drugs. It may surprise some of the more conservative members of this board but I have found that there are white residents who stayed in Detroit long after the neighborhood changed; whites who work in small shops; junkyards; operate small businesses in predominately black communities; whites who visit and drop off black co-workers etc. Now, if a neighborhood has a steady flow of suburbanites driving through the hood purchasing narcotics and the citizens are complaining that is another matter. Suspicious driving habits should be scrutinized, not the race of the individual. | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 2266 Registered: 10-2006 |
I'm quite certain that this isn't a suburban policing issue entirely, but rather has more to do with the fact that Detroit being what it is, the DPD have more important things to worry about. Different police departments, different concerns. In this case it just so happens that the suburbs can pick up on this issue. | ||
Ravine Member Username: Ravine Post Number: 1855 Registered: 01-2006 |
I'm a little late with this remark, but I want to commend Detroitnerd for sharing those incisive, eloquent posts. | ||
Terryh Member Username: Terryh Post Number: 660 Registered: 11-2006 |
We should never-EVER as Americans suggest or assume something is wrong or someone doesn't fit because of their respective race or ethnicity. We are first and foremost Americans in another part of our country. I was pulled over in Warren after crossing 8 mile from the Detroit side after 10 PM. I was driving north on Van Dyke when I decided to turn around in a parking lot to go west on 8.Half a mile or so down the road I was pulled over by two police cars. The officers came on kind of hard at first,I showed one of them my i.d, had the inside light on so they could see in the vehicle-my hands hanging out the driver side, one of them asked if I had drugs, where were you coming from,etc. I was actually looking for a friends place in Detroit but figured they wouldnt believe me so I told them I had just checked out a topless bar and that they could check me and my car right now! I actually preferred them to not search and rifle through my belongings but when you decline them to search they can and probably will write a ticket for some minor infraction (in my case an illegal turn in a parking lot?) supposedly. One of the officers looked at my license and looked at the other who shook his head no, perhaps they were looking for someone in a vehicle like mine? Anyways, one of the officers sensed I was nervous told me to relax and that they were going to give me a break but that technically they could have gave me a ticket for the illegal turn. I cant help but wonder if I was profiled as a white guy coming from Detroit at night. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 960 Registered: 07-2007 |
If you are a white person driving in certain Detroit hoods, you are definitely looked at with suspicion as maybe looking for drugs or being a cop. At least this is what two different black people told me. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 4773 Registered: 10-2003 |
Just yesterday I read in Woodward talk about a West Bloomfield resident (appeared Chaldean) being pulled over on 8 mile. The story said the cops "suspected drug activity" and brought out a dog. They found almost 2,000 ecstasy pills hidden in the console of the truck. So yes, I would say they "profiled" this WB resident, because he seemed out of place at that particular time and place. But... They were 100% correct! | ||
Jerrytimes Member Username: Jerrytimes Post Number: 91 Registered: 04-2007 |
It happens to all kinds of people. It just that some consider it profiling when others don't. When I was 20 I got pulled over down the street from my house (12 Mile. and Bunert area in Warren) and the police said it was because I matched the description of someone who started a fight in the area that night. Some consider that profiling, others (including I) say it's the police doing their job. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7031 Registered: 02-2004 |
Livonia Police can have the power to racially profile any black folks who drive their cars in their beautiful white dominate neighborhoods. Just stop a black motorist, search his vehicle for drugs and other suspicious things if they possess these items, the police will arrest the black motorist. Its car will be impound for evidence, the black motorist will be tried for bail. If the white Livonia judge says no ( Most of the time) the black motorist would get some time in prison until preliminary hearing. When the hearing is settled the white Livonia police officer would say "This black motorist possess narcotics, A WEED JOINT!" But the black motorist would say," This is BULLS&%T!" After the verdict from an all white jury, they would say, " This black motorist is guilty of possessing narcotics." Then the whit Livonia judge says," I will sentence this black motorist to 5 to 10 years in prison." It happen to some black motorists in Livonia and it would be possible. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 4779 Registered: 10-2003 |
Danny, could you please act that out with puppets, and then post to youtube? | ||
Jerrytimes Member Username: Jerrytimes Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2007 |
Nice fake scenario Danny. | ||
Joeyp1982 Member Username: Joeyp1982 Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2007 |
Maybe Livonia Police dont want blacks in their neighborhoods because it causes crime...have you ever thought of that? or just that the detroit folk rolling in off the old smart busses just gave the city business and not theft right? I worked at Livonia Mall for five years back in the 90's and it was the ""detroit"" folk that committed 90 percent of the reported crimes so go figure right? or am I just dumb? hmmmm | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7033 Registered: 02-2004 |
Jerrytimes, It's no fake. I have witness several white Livonia police officers arrested a one black motorist at a McDonald's Restaurant on Middlebelt Rd. north of Plymouth Rd. After they have found drugs in its vehicle, they arrested it this person and took him to jail and impound its car out of the parking lot. This report was back in the summer of 1999. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2581 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: But the extra scrutiny put on either of those individuals wouldn't have stopped the Oklahoma City bombing, Columbine, Virginia Tech, the mall shooting in Omaha, etc... | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7034 Registered: 02-2004 |
Livonia is not only the whitest city in the Metro-Detroit area, but has a very bad reputation of being the most racist city in Michigan. The black population in Livonia is about 0.9% but growing. Some of them have seen signs is racist propaganda and other hate crime in front of their houses. Livonia and its police force needs to get out of the Jim Crow Era and get use to ethnic bandwagon because all the people in the Metro-Detroit area don't a small Nazi-Germany next door! | ||
Joeyp1982 Member Username: Joeyp1982 Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2007 |
Do you not understand they do not want crime in the city!••••••• Livonia was the whitest city in metro detroit and ALSO THE SAFEST!••• I WONDER WHY QUIZ KID!•• god the ignorance of some people in this community is unprecidented holy smokes.....THE CITY WAS ONE OF THE SAFEST IN AMERICA AND IT WAS 99 PERCENT WHITE!! IF THAT DONT TELL YOU SOMETHING NOTHING WILL! If only I was as ignorant as some lol | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 4783 Registered: 10-2003 |
MissCleo, meet Joeyp, Joeyp, MissCleo... | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 155 Registered: 12-2007 |
Its still racist... | ||
Joeyp1982 Member Username: Joeyp1982 Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2007 |
Look folks, If anyone wants to prove me wrong go ahead...but the problem is you cant..at least not on this subject...not to be rude but Livonia was the whitest and most safest city in america with a population over 100,000 folks...and it was that way for a long time...then all the ""detroiters"" started moving into north redford.. which led to the moving into the east side of livonia...unless you are a retard you know that livonia was a great city with three great malls and great shopping everywhere till all the "detroit unpleasentries" started bussing in from plymouth road west to wonderland and 6,7, and 8 mile west to livonia mall....that includes whites and blacks that came in from detroit...any of those who rip livonia are just jealous that they couldnt live in a well represented, middle to high class, good schooling educated city....period |
