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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 4:54 pm: |    |
"So which one is it? Poor with no resources and bring your car in and pay to get it fixed or poor equals trashy?"
If there's no place off-street, like a driveway, garage, or parking lot to do the work, then, YES, take it to a repair shop.
So... sorry, tough crap. Too bad, so sad. Life isn't always fair.
Successful communities have LAWS about things like this, and they are enforced. |
Bearinabox
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 5:06 pm: | |
quote:Successful communities have LAWS about things like this, and they are enforced. I choose not to live in communities that have large numbers of unnecessary laws against behaviors that don't harm anyone. I'd rather fund a police department that will protect me from being robbed or murdered than one that just cruises around town issuing stupid tickets to people for being "trashy." |
Johnlodge
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 5:09 pm: | |
How about this:
FIXING your car in the street = let it slide.
Dissasembled car in street all week = clean that schitt up, the street isn't a backyard in Howell, this is civilization. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 6:35 pm: | |
"I'd rather fund a police department that will protect me from being robbed or murdered than one that just cruises around town issuing stupid tickets to people for being 'trashy.'"
In general, police departments that issue tickets for blight are even tougher on robbers, car thieves, murderers, etc. |
Bearinabox
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 6:51 pm: | |
Would they not be even more effective at preventing robberies, murders and car thefts if they stopped issuing tickets for people working on cars in the street and focused only on serious crimes? I don't consider someone working on their car in the street "blight," (or "trashy," for that matter) but even if I thought it in some way undesirable I wouldn't want police to focus on something like that. |
Tkshreve
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 6:55 pm: | |
How is this thread still alive? |
Johnlodge
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 7:46 pm: | |
Bearinabox, your argument assumes the DPD drive around issuing citations for not keeping property up. From my experience, this is not true. So basically, they are neither effective at preventing robberies, nor preventing blight. That's 0 for 2! |
Goat
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 7:47 pm: | |
Because people say stupid things without looking at all of angles on a given topic. They would rather blather about and tell people what they can and cannot do when it does little to no harm in the community.
Johnlodge, that I can agree with and it makes sense. |
Bearinabox
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 7:53 pm: | |
quote:Bearinabox, your argument assumes the DPD drive around issuing citations for not keeping property up. From my experience, this is not true. So basically, they are neither effective at preventing robberies, nor preventing blight. That's 0 for 2! I would agree with that. My intent was not to hold up DPD as an example of how police departments should function. |
Johnlodge
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 7:57 pm: | |
Side note:
One time I lived in Southfield and a city car pulled into my driveway that said "Weed Patrol" on the side with the Southfield City logo. I got worried for a second, then realized my lawn needed cutting. |
Bearinabox
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 8:00 pm: | |
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Brian_fitzcarraldo
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 8:15 pm: | |
Johnlodge, that seems like a good compromise. I don't have a problem with streedside car repair, and the whole suburban squeaky-clean ideal has always seemed tied up in classism. At the same time, I wonder if the broken windows theory applies here. |
Cheddar_bob
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| | Posted on Monday, January 28, 2008 - 10:07 pm: | |
I work on cars wherever they are. Granted, it wouldn't be for more than a day or two but I certainly wouldn't give a shit what anyone's opinion on the matter was.
While the detroitblog guy is generally pretty spot-on, he makes several assumptions. First, not everyone works Monday - Friday, 9am - 5pm. I don't. I had Mondays and Tuesdays off for years so if I wanted to have a beer on my day off while I changed the axel shaft on my car, it had to be in the afternoon during the week. Also, it is not a jack holding the car up, it is a jack stand which is the safest way to work under a car for the home mechanic. Lastly, while the person was enjoying a beer, he was apparently motivated enough to get up in the morning, get a beer, jack up the car, support it with a jack stand, lay down a piece of rubber to lay on, remove the tire, remove the caliper and rotor, remove the hub, remove the axel and (presumably) go to the auto parts store to get a new axel. Doesn't sound like he's a slacker to me.
Lastly,
quote:One of the many reasons we moved from Detroit
Paul, nobody misses you or your attitude. If I had been your neighbor, I would have spear-headed the initiative to gather donations to help you move. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 11:55 am: | |
At the same time, I wonder if the broken windows theory applies here.
I think it definitely applies.
And I WILL call the police on any of MY neighbors who work on their cars in the street. I don't want to see it. End of story. |
Buddyinrichmond
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 12:03 pm: | |
Maybe the bottle was a convenient container for bleeding the brakes? |
Realitycheck
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 1:25 pm: | |
Best line yet ^, Buddy.
The curbside mechanic is a recycler who deserves a bit more respect, y'all.
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Paulmcall
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 1:50 pm: | |
Hey Cheddar did you also help to break into our house? |
Cheddar_bob
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 4:30 pm: | |
quote:And I WILL call the police on any of MY neighbors who work on their cars in the street.
I'm sure they'll get right on it, too. Because satisfying the tedious demands of busybody neighbors is pretty high on the to-do list of any police department that serves communities of more than 20,000 people. As a suggestion, you might get along better with your neighbors if you talk to them first about their problems instead of immediately calling the police. Or maybe you could offer to lend a hand. You would get to know your neighbors better, do a good deed, and solve your perceived problem faster. Or you be an asshole and just call the police on them.
Paul, I didn't help break into your house, but with your pessimistic attitude, I can see why they targeted you. They probably broke into your house because they talked to you for more than 5 minutes and felt they needed reimbursement for putting up with your bullshit. |
Johnlodge
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 4:31 pm: | |
Right, THAT'S why his house got broken into. His pessimistic attitude.
LY must get robbed daily. |
Cheddar_bob
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 4:50 pm: | |
And citylover must have nothing in his house. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 6:07 pm: | |
As a suggestion, you might get along better with your neighbors if you talk to them first about their problems instead of immediately calling the police. Or maybe you could offer to lend a hand. You would get to know your neighbors better, do a good deed, and solve your perceived problem faster. Or you be an asshole and just call the police on them.
Ah, yes, well maybe I'd rather just be an asshole (like the jerks who call Animal Control about my dogs without first talking to me). But, you DO seem to have all the answers, Bob, so please, continue to enlighten.
FYI, I always talk to my neighbors first and have a good relationship with them. That said, I still don't want to see engine overhauls or brake jobs done in my street. |
Ravine
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 6:54 pm: | |
I do not see any worthwhile reason for having a problem with someone working on their car in the street in front of their dwelling.
However, if your damned dog is on the loose, bounding up and down the street and presenting a potential danger, don't start whining if somebody shoots it. I would much rather have a guy working on his car in the street than a clown who doesn't keep his animals under control. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 7:22 pm: | |
No dogs on the loose, ever, Ravine. They're always under control and they're very quiet most of the time. Long story... and off topic, and I'd rather not get into it, but suffice to say that some zealots out there think they know more about my animals than I do.
As for the curbside mechanic phenomenon, it hasn't happened in my neighborhood, and, again, I hope that it doesn't. |
Goat
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 7:36 pm: | |
Lucky that your neighbours don't bitch about your dogs Fury13.
Personally, I think people who own more than two dogs should have the police called on them for not only the noise pollution but also for the stink from their defacation.
I think the broken theory applies to people with lots of dogs. Are you training to fight them because that is what is "seems" be from my perception?
Some zealots think they know more about a persons financial position than the individual. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - 8:05 pm: | |
I have TWO dogs, Goat. I live in a built-up area. I'm allowed three, by municipal ordinance.
They are bona fide sled dogs, from racing lines, for God's sake. They work out in harness with another musher's team during the winter. They get the best food, fresh water, and the dog pen is cleaned twice a day, meticulously. They rarely bark.
And for the record, I think people who raise dogs for fighting are sickos.
Before talking out of your ass and assuming things, ask what the situation is, please.
So now you're a champion for the poor? Please. I'm not rich myself. But there's no nobility in poverty, either. Again, poor doesn't have to equal ghetto or trashy. |
Goat
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 2:42 pm: | |
Take your own advice there Fury13.
I agree poor doesn't have to equal ghetto or trashy. But working on a car in front of a person's house for a day doesn't constitute trashy. Now leaving it there for a week, that is another story.
As you stated. Before talking our of your ass and assuming things, ask what the situation is, please. |
Johnlodge
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 2:51 pm: | |
Fellas, fellas, I think you are closer than you are far on this issue. You are just both picturing the extremes of the issue in your head when posting. Fury doesn't want his neighborhood trashed up by people who simply choose not to maintain their property, which you see a lot of in parts of Detroit, while Goat thinks you gotta cut a little slack here and there and be reasonable as long as the neighbors aren't taking advantage of a situation.
It's really just a random picture on a blog, none of us know the real situation, though it was fun to speculate. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 2:57 pm: | |
But working on a car in front of a person's house for a day doesn't constitute trashy.
For part of a day, I could let it slide. Otherwise, I still disagree with you.
And you (and Ravine) were still WAY off base in your comments on my situation. But hell, that's off topic anyway. Maybe you just don't like dogs.
You don't even live in metro Detroit, do you? Aren't you Canadian? Canadians keep it much cleaner over there, even in Windsor, which I understand is considered the ugliest city in Ontario.
A brake drum laying in the street leads to trash in the yard, which leads to peeling paint, which leads to siding falling off, which leads to porch parties, burglaries, and what have you.
Yes, I definitely believe in the broken-window theory. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 2:59 pm: | |
Johnlodge -- the voice of reason.
Fury doesn't want his neighborhood trashed up by people who simply choose not to maintain their property, which you see a lot of in parts of Detroit...
Exactly. |
Goat
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 3:41 pm: | |
Windsor sure is ugly. I liken it to soviet architecture.
By the way, I do love dogs I have a Boston Terrier that is a bit of a pain but she is just a puppy.
Johnlodge, I agree. |
Jrvass
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 4:40 pm: | |
Hugs & Kisses between Goat & Fury.
My view of the neighbor's yard across the canal is a semi junkyard with a boat that hasn't run in over 15 years, a truck covered with a tarp that hasn't run since it arrived a few years ago, burn barrel, rusted outdoor furniture. Etc.
All within the zoning ordinance since it is in the "backyard". |
Carolcb
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 5:02 pm: | |
Fury - One of my neighbors turned another of my neighbors in for having a barking terrier. This is a "nice" neighborhood. This same family with the dog - their daughter was State Champion for 3 years with her horse at the State Fair. Every summer for about 9 days they had their horse trailer in front of their house. The same neighbor called the police and they were ticketed for the trailer.
Well, this past fall, over the dog - the police came to the house to issue the ticket. The police - two of them - deemed that she was not "respectful" enough in identifying herself in the proccess of giving her the ticket. She was arrested and booked.
I would never - but there are some people - I would gladly put a car up on blocks just to get them the heck out of the neighborhood. I am only making a joke....but the thought has crossed my mind. I pick up the &^%$ in my lawn, in my neighbor's lawns if it is blowing, and I pick the *&^% the recycling people don't get in the process... Watch those barking dogs! |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 5:20 pm: | |
Like I said, Carol, my dogs hardly ever bark.
No, what the zealots don't like is that they're outside dogs, year-round. They have shelter, bedding, regularly-changed water, and I clean up twice a day. They get high-quality, high-performance food. They're also contained in a large 30' X 30' pen and I interact with them daily. They are racing Siberian Huskies, working sled dogs, and are very acclimated to the cold. The breed can live in temps as low as -70 F and, as a rule, prefer to be outdoors. They enjoy cold temperatures and often curl up in the snow to sleep.
So... well-meaning, yet ignorant, people just can't believe they should be outside. They don't do their research on the breed, and instead just call Animal Control before talking to me. I now have a sign up on my back fence explaining about them -- and even giving my phone number -- so perhaps that will help end the ignorant calls to AC. So far, the nonsense has occurred every winter.
My apologies for straying so far off topic.
(Message edited by Fury13 on January 30, 2008) |
Jt1
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 5:24 pm: | |
quote: now have a sign up on my back fence explaining about them -- and even giving my phone number
Sounds like that wouldn't be the most attractive thing for the neighborhood. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 5:27 pm: | |
It's a pretty nice sign. I had it professionally made, and it cost me over $100.
Good one, though, Jt1. |
Ravine
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 10:19 pm: | |
Fury13 is correct when saying that I was "WAY off base." I jumped to a faulty inference.
I don't want to hear folks' dogs barking all damned day & night, either, but I spouted off on an entirely different matter.
I was wrong.
My sincere apology to Fury13. |
Fury13
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 10:21 pm: | |
Thanks, Ravine. Much appreciated. |
Ravine
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 10:32 pm: | |
And I likewise appreciate your graciousness, as it seems that you are willing to overlook the obvious fact that, on occasion, the amount of bone in my head greatly exceeds the amount of brain. |
Fareastsider
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 3:33 pm: | |
Turn the camera and look at the gold colored car.
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Eric_c
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 4:58 pm: | |
This is the car that I see everyday on my way down the street. This is my block. This car, along with two others have been sitting there due to a curbfront mechanic and I'm sick of it.
I'm calling to report it as soon as one of our other neighbors (another forumer who doesn't muck up the block) gets thier car running again.
Incidently, Fareastsider, if you're considering 2549 Field as a residence, you'd love the neighborhood. This is a three BR brick home with a lot of nice details for less than $30,000. It has a big back yard and with only a little bit of work, you'd have a real treasure in a fine neighborhood. If you haven't already, use Google to "drive" up the street and see how nice.
And BTW, 2549 is the one with the dumpster in front. You have to pass it then look back to get a clear view.
And since you're all in the neighborhood, you may as well keep driving north until you see the Water and Sewerage Department barricade that was set up two years ago, and then finally removed this winter when the repairs were started. There's a thread around here somewhere that documented the beginning of the saga!
(Message edited by Eric C. on February 12, 2008)
(Message edited by Eric C. on February 12, 2008) |
Fareastsider
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| | Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 9:44 pm: | |
Funny you mention that as I ended up there by looking at a nearby house on the street for sale online. |
Eric_c
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 7:01 am: | |
May I ask which house? |
Screamingfit
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 9:50 am: | |
I have an across the street neighbor with a driveway and garage and he usually has no fewer than six cars in the street in various states of disrepair.
It's always fun to have company over and have them park down the block because this tool thinks he owns the street. Talking to him rationally produces a finger in my face. |
Eric_c
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 9:57 am: | |
You need to call the police and have them issue tickets. It's against the law and they WILL enforce it - if you call. |
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