  Mikeydbn Member Username: Mikeydbn Post Number: 359 Registered: 04-2004 |
Hypothetically, if the state had the resources available, and the desire to simplify the freeway routing around Metro Detroit, MDOT could change the interstate route numbering. For example, I-96 could be routed along the current I-696, then follow the Lodge (M-10) into downtown. This would completely eliminate M-10. A new spur route for I-94 could be created along the current M-14/I-96 alignment. For example, I called it I-494. The map below gives an overview of the new routings.  Also (not drawn on map) I-275 could be routed along the Current I-696 to I-75 to complete the spur loop. (since the even first number signifies a return to the parent route which does not exist currently) I do know, that currently, M-14 does not meet the requirements for an interstate route. Does the rebuilt M-10 meet the requirements? | ||
Professorscott Member Username: Professorscott Post Number: 1065 Registered: 12-2006 |
The state does not control by itself numbering of Federal highways. The state would have to work with the Federal Highway Administration if it had any interest in such a thing. I'm curious which requirement, if any, M-14 does not meet. My suspicion is that road does not have a US- or I- number because FHWA did not think it was urgent to provide two expressways from Detroit to Ann Arbor. | ||
Mcp001 Member Username: Mcp001 Post Number: 3241 Registered: 11-2003 |
You've lost me here. How will "re-numbering" these roads make things easier? | ||
Chris_rohn Member Username: Chris_rohn Post Number: 393 Registered: 04-2005 |
The original plan for I-275 was to extend north and reconnect with I-75 near Holly. M-10 Was originally going to extend northwest to Fenton. | ||
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie Post Number: 1266 Registered: 11-2003 |
Professorscott- The FHWA isn't what MDOT would get permission from. The American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials is the organization that oversees the numbering of interstate (both US- and I-numbered) routes. See http://www.michiganhighways.or g/listings/HistoricUS-027.html for an explanation of how MDOT got permission from AASHTO to eliminate the US-27 deisgnation. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 4886 Registered: 10-2003 |
I think the State Fish should be the Walleye instead of the Brook Trout. Nobody cares about Brook Trout. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2934 Registered: 10-2003 |
What difference does a number on a sign make? I wouldn't change my route just because the numbers on the sign change. When I head to Lansing from downtown I always take the lodge to 696 to 96. I only use 96 out of downtown if I'm headed to Livonia, Canton or the north side of Ann Arbor. | ||
Mikeydbn Member Username: Mikeydbn Post Number: 360 Registered: 04-2004 |
Exits 3 & 4 on M-14 would have to be re-configured.  | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 3726 Registered: 10-2003 |
While we're at it, let's renumber the city streets. Trumbull needs to be 9th, Cochrane/Commonwealth is 10th, Harrison/Avery is 11th, Rosa Parks can go back to being 12th, Vermont is restored to being 13th, Wabash can reclaim its original name of Thirteen and A Half Street, etc., etc. | ||
Mikeydbn Member Username: Mikeydbn Post Number: 361 Registered: 04-2004 |
The source for that is http://www.michiganhighways.or g/listings/MichHwys10-19.html# M-014 | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2935 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sorry, What real benefit would you get from the renumbering? Just renumbering because it makes the map prettier makes no sense at all. Wasting a lot of money for no real world benefits. | ||
Mbr Member Username: Mbr Post Number: 287 Registered: 03-2005 |
Maybe we don't need the Lodge Freeway at all. | ||
Fury13 Member Username: Fury13 Post Number: 3728 Registered: 10-2003 |
Oh, yes, Ndavies, we do need to make the map prettier. High priority. | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 183 Registered: 12-2007 |
Doesn't I-275 reconnect with I-75 near Flint??? | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1472 Registered: 09-2007 |
D_mcc, that's (if I recall) US 23. I think I-475 merges off I-75 toward Flint. (Message edited by detroitrise on January 30, 2008) | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2936 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: Well, if that's the case. I think all the roads should be ripped up and reinstalled as straight lines. I hate all those squiggly freeways lines. Or maybe reinstalled to create a renaissance masterpiece out of my map. | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 404 Registered: 07-2007 |
If the first post doesn't make sense, you haven't entered in the world of road geeks. They debate this kind of stuff with the passion of presidential politics. Just keep moving, they won't mind if you leave them be. | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 184 Registered: 12-2007 |
DR: you are right, 275 connects at the 96/696/M5 interchange in Novi. | ||
Detroithabitater Member Username: Detroithabitater Post Number: 118 Registered: 10-2006 |
494 wouldn't make sense if the last number ends even it is East-West (correct) if it is a 3 digit number it is a spur that interacts with a city (Correct) if the first number of a 3 digit number goes AROUND a major city it is even, if the first number is odd it goes INTO a city. You would probably want to call it 594 | ||
Neilr Member Username: Neilr Post Number: 649 Registered: 06-2005 |
Novine, thank you for your post #404. I was totally lost until you explained this thread for me. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6231 Registered: 08-2004 |
Mikeydbn, Interesting concepts... while there's no real argument for such a change, it does provoke thought. Your idea does leave out one small section of freeway however... that stretch of the Jeffries between I-94 and I-75 Fisher Fwy. | ||
Ray1936 Member Username: Ray1936 Post Number: 2636 Registered: 01-2005 |
Mikey makes sense to me. M-14 makes no sense at all being designated as simply a state highway. And that I-96, I-696, I-275, M-5 interchange is nothing but a blooming nightmare for an out-0f-towner. | ||
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie Post Number: 1269 Registered: 11-2003 |
I consider myself a roadgeek, but am not bothered by most quirks in road numbering. Some numbering is explainable more in terms of historical evolution rather than a sweeping logic. Just look at the system of numbering for "M" highways in Michigan. There isn't any system. It's almost completely random. There are some exceptions-- like US-27 between Indian River and Cheboygan becoming M-27, and Woodward Ave. becoming M-1 because of its prominence as one of the first major roads in the state. | ||
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie Post Number: 1270 Registered: 11-2003 |
The stretch of M-5 that's the Grand River Farmington bypass once was part of I-96-- and it was intended to stay that way, since first plans called for I-96 to parallel Grand River closely all the way to downtown. Detroithabitater-- An even number beginning a 3-digit route merely means that there it is (or was originally planned to be) a LOOP, with connection to the parent route on both ends. There were never any rules stating that an even-beginning 3-digit route had to go AROUND a city. Examples: I-475 in Flint, I-675 in Saginaw, and I-496 in Lansing all cut through the hearts of those cities. Mikeydbn's proposal for I-494 to have an even first digit is correct, since his map shows it connecting to I-94 at both ends. Ray1936 wrote, "M-14 makes no sense at all being designated as simply a state highway." Michigan had M-numbered freeways before the Interstate system was even passed into law. An M-number designation on a freeway in Michigan has never implied an inferior status. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1857 Registered: 09-2006 |
They should merge 75 with 96 north of the Ambassador bridge continue that merge until it reaches the 96-94 then route 75 with 94 until it reaches the intersection where 75 and 94 meet now. Then you could get 94 widened because now it is two freeways, 96 wouldn't be such a waste of space in the area and then 75 wouldn't cut straight thru downtown. If that makes sense. | ||
Burnsie Member Username: Burnsie Post Number: 1271 Registered: 11-2003 |
Also, "state highways" In Michigan are officially anything that has an I, M, or US route designation. There are even some non-numbered state highways. | ||
Yeti Member Username: Yeti Post Number: 39 Registered: 09-2007 |
The route we all refer to as I-275 between 696/M5 and 96/14 is actually I-96 and is also designated as I-275. Officially its primary designation is I-96 | ||
Ferntruth Member Username: Ferntruth Post Number: 319 Registered: 11-2006 |
Could we please get back to the important issue here - what does JohnLodge have against the Brook Trout? =) | ||
Detroitrise Member Username: Detroitrise Post Number: 1474 Registered: 09-2007 |
LOL Ferntruth. I hate White Pines! Why are they so important?! There's hardly any in Detroit! The Oak Tree should be the state tree! | ||
Novine Member Username: Novine Post Number: 407 Registered: 07-2007 |
"The Oak Tree should be the state tree!" Negative - the white pines and the lumber industries that they made possible created the fortunes of the families that financed the rise of the automotive industry in Michigan. As bad as things are around here, you can make the case that the white pines were responsible for 100 years of prosperity in Michigan thanks to the automobile. |
