Little_buddy Member Username: Little_buddy
Post Number: 51 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 5:04 pm: | |
Anyone have an idea of how far the salt mines go in each direction looking down on a map of Det. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4888 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 5:13 pm: | |
Courtesy of Mikem. http://www-personal.umich.edu/ ~copyrght/image/solstice/sum99 /salt1.jpg |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 4987 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 5:30 pm: | |
Detroit salt mine There is salt approximately 1100 feet down in two major seams maybe some 100 feet apart. Only the lower seam is mined. The salt is mined to a thickness of around 22 feet. Much of that salt deposit probably extends to Cleveland. Pillars of salt (Lot's wife?) are left in place to support the mine. Everything down there has to be cut to size and stuffed down the narrow opening and be reassembled (welded, etc.). Tires can be a problem for the bigger equipment. The work crews usually are ten miners per shift. The Detroit mine produces salt to melting ice, and it's at an economic disadvantage due to its not being near water for shipping. Windsor and Cleveland's lower costs for shipping hurts the Detroit salt mine. The manager of the mine gave a slide presentation in Dearborn last March (or was it back in 2006?). |
Raptor56 Member Username: Raptor56
Post Number: 252 Registered: 05-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 10:37 pm: | |
...economic disadvantage due to its not being near water for shipping not near water? isn't the mine within sight of the Rouge River? |
Chow Member Username: Chow
Post Number: 437 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 10:52 pm: | |
slightly off topic, does anyone know what kind of map the salt mine map was drawn on? |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 4994 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 11:25 pm: | |
quote:not near water? isn't the mine within sight of the Rouge River? Ships don't move too well on land, getting that 1/2 mile to get from the Rouge to the mine and back. So, to get the salt to the Rouge (or the Detroit) River, the salt must loaded and unloaded by rail or truck. One or two extra movements on a relatively inexpensive commodity. Ergo, the economic disadvantage enters. Versteh? That's one reason the Detroit mine ceased operations during the 1980s.quote:In 1960, the International Salt Company opened a new rock salt mine in Cleveland. It is located exactly on the shore of Lake Erie. This location has both logistical and institutional advantages. They are able to ship salt in bulk by lake carrier at much reduced costs per ton-mile than overland shipments. Cleveland is able to ship salt past Detroit to lake ports in the upper Great Lakes at costs lower than it could be delivered from the Detroit mine. The Detroit mine has shipped by water in the past and is not much more than one-half mile from the turning basin of the River Rouge where they have loading facilities. This half-mile gap must, however, be bridged by trucking and loading costs that exceed the cost of the sixty-eight nautical mile shipment from Cleveland. The Cleveland mine also, by mining out under Lake Erie, leases mineral rights from a single owner, the State of Ohio. This permits a more efficient mine layout. In 1987 the Detroit mine ceased to operate, put out of business in part by its awkward shape. The Detroit Metropolitan area now gets its salt from Cleveland and Windsor, Ontario, where in the later location the mine is of optimal shape and extends out under the Detroit River on the Canadian side. In Canada, mineral rights laws were more favorable to the salt companies. (Message edited by livernoisyard on January 30, 2008) |
Novine Member Username: Novine
Post Number: 408 Registered: 07-2007
| Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 11:32 pm: | |
USGS Topographic Quadrangle: http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/1, 1607,7-153-10371_14793-31264-- ,00.html |
56packman Member Username: 56packman
Post Number: 2027 Registered: 12-2005
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 7:26 am: | |
It is a little known fact that the salt mines are an elaborate cover up for a secret underground Masonic freeway, taking the illuminati from their offices downtown to their homes in the suburbs in less than 15 minutes. They use that "G" symbol on the back of their Cadillac sedans and Lincoln Town cars to identify themselves. I know it's true, I read it in "Fun" magazine (a local free rag, now extinct) back in '91. |
Living_in_the_d Member Username: Living_in_the_d
Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 8:37 am: | |
Yeah, Very cool thread, this is what D-yes is all about. |
Living_in_the_d Member Username: Living_in_the_d
Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 8:47 am: | |
Hey 56packman, anychance You would have any more leads on "Fun" magazine, or this article. It sounds too cool. And it was it was an episode of the "Simpsons". |
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc
Post Number: 192 Registered: 12-2007
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 9:25 am: | |
That was the Stonecutters D, and the real number fro 911...is 912 |
Zephyrmec Member Username: Zephyrmec
Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 9:25 am: | |
Damn Packman! now I have to take the square and compasses off the back of my Zephyr.... |
Gannon Member Username: Gannon
Post Number: 11452 Registered: 12-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 9:32 am: | |
Dude, that stuff gets you out of tickets. Say your grandfather is, like, a 32nd degree and some grand puba in his lodge because he sometimes dresses up like a girl for their meetings...and you get your road salt for free for life, and never a rush hour again. Of course, if Jesus comes back, you'll get left behind his other two cheeks. |
Little_buddy Member Username: Little_buddy
Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2006
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 9:38 am: | |
that is a great map you have there Johnlodge, where did you get it? And thanks for the info. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4900 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 9:40 am: | |
Litte_buddy, there is an archived threads about the salt mines here, Mikem had posted that map previously. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 4995 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 10:49 am: | |
When the salt mine was reopened several years ago, the manager noticed that the back of a door in the office still had the worker's roster with the original miners' names from 1907. |
Detroitderek Member Username: Detroitderek
Post Number: 34 Registered: 09-2007
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 4:21 pm: | |
I tried to get a group of photographers a tour - promptly and not so politely denied. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 5004 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 4:29 pm: | |
They don't do any tours anymore, due to insurance. They're running a **BUSINESS**. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4910 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 4:33 pm: | |
I like have they have a link on their Web site for Tours. You click on it and it says: Can I have a tour of the mine? No. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 5005 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 4:38 pm: | |
There are lots of pictures taken already. Why reinvent that wheel? Take pictures on the surface. Besides, they have their mine-safety reputation to protect. In addition, their mine-safety team took first place honors a year ago in a national mining-rescue contest--the first time they entered. And no! I have no particulars. But the manager there was very proud of his team. Ask him. |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4912 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 4:41 pm: | |
I saw all those awards on the site, very impressive. Sentinel of Safety Award: 200, 2002, 2003, 2005. From the Mine Health and Safety Administration. Maybe more, I doubt the site's been updated. |
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard
Post Number: 5006 Registered: 10-2004
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 4:49 pm: | |
quote:Sentinel of Safety Award: 200, 2002, 2003, 2005. That award for the year 200 must have been won by their Roman Legion sentinel subsidiary... |
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge
Post Number: 4915 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 4:52 pm: | |
Yes, they've taken that out of most history books. One of those things they don't want you knowing about. |