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Gnome
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Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:43 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I met a guy down at the Belle Isle Casino the other day who was promoting the history of Detroit Police Mobile Radio.

I told him about this site, and invited him to join. He has two tons of old photos, equipment, and gads of historical information.

Since he is new, I said I'd start a new thread for him and for you.

He is a very nice guy and wants to get the word out about a Historical Plaque that will be unveiled this spring.

So, welcome to the forum...
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Ray1936
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Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 12:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Boy, I hope he can post some of those old photos here, Gnome! Over and out, KQA-371 and KQA-414!
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Stinger4me
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Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 1:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe there will be photos of George Rawls and Walter Kilgallen. "OK, pal." KQA 414. I think the DPD disc jockeys were on the seventh floor of headquarters. "7-14 dial 801." Another shot at going back to the fateful days of yesteryear.
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Slick
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Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 3:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

KQA 414 if you had a nickel for every time you heard that. This is the radio guy, worked at Belle Isle radio for 20 years. Now work on the State wide MSP radio system.

Dispatch was on the 6th floor of HQ. They moved to Lyndon and myers about 4 yea
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Gnome
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Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 3:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Welcome to the forum Slick, I think you'll find some new friends here.
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Stinger4me
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Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 3:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Slick; Do the names George Rawls or Walter Kilgallen ring any bells? It may have been before your time.
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Slick
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Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 3:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stinger,
No they do not, but I did not spend my time up at dispatch. I was on the island with screwdrivers and soldering irons. In the days when you could fix things and even see the components.
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Birwood
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Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 4:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Slick

Did you ever know a Fred Hiles, DPD retired Lt from B.I. Radio, went to work for MSP radio repair

Did you ever meet or know any of the people over at KQA-205 DFD
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Ray1936
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Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 5:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Slick, is that transmitter building at 9999 Iris still in service?
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Slick
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 10:29 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ray,
9999 Iris was shut down as a service facility in the 1990's. It still has a transmitter there. All the old radio towers for the UHF 400 mghz system were converted over for the 800 MHZ system. or as I like to say "Detroit came back to haunt me, when they upgraded the 800 mhz to digital and now have interoperability with the State system.

Birwood, never knew a Fred Hiles, the Lts that were there were Felix Arendash and Charlie Shropshire, I beleive they have both went to the big radio shack in the sky.

I knew a couple of guys that worked fire dispatch, the old building on Monroe, behind Greek town???? Cannot remember any names. sorry.
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Goblue
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 12:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Slick: I'm just curious if you know the year that DPD adopted radios for communication...my dad was a beat cop in the 5th in the pre-radio days...we still have his call box key that he used to report his whereabouts. Maybe the cars had them at that point? He joined in 1924 at age 20 and retired in 1950...he had to work an extra year because he had lied about his age.
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Ray1936
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 1:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, Slick. It was 1941 and I started kindergargen at the Parker School right next to the old west side transmitter. For some reason, the place fascinated me and I wondered for years what radio station it was (being sure it was WJR or some such). Years later, of course, I knew.
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Slick
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 1:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ray, I dont think Parker school is there anymore. In fact I just remember houses all around the place and a city park adjoining.

Go blue, Detroit started one way communications April 7 1928. That is the reason for the 80th Anniversary historical marker in April of this year. Two way radio started in 1932 in Bayonne, NJ. Detroit was not far behind. Portable radios were issued in 1966. I am sure your Dad remembers the old bricks as the PREPS were called.
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Gnome
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 1:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Slick, I think you need to explain to everyone the Historical Marker. Most folks don't anything about it.
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Ray1936
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 1:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Ray, I dont think Parker school is there anymore."

Nope, a casualty of school closings. All the schools I attended are no longer open.

Parker School, Detroit -- kindergarten
William Ford, Dearborn -- 1st thru 4th
Monnier School, Detroit -- 4th thru 8th
Mackenzie High, Detroit - 9th thru 12th
And even.....
Wayne University. Before the State acquired it, so technically it no longer exists. LOL
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Goblue
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 2:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Slick: Thanks for the info...if it was about the DPD I'm sure my dad remembered it. Badge #1052 collected his pension for 34 years...Ray1936 is out to break his record and we're all pulling for him!
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Ray1936
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 4:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm wrapping up year #24 this summer, Blue. Ten to go and I'm in amazingly good shape.

What was George Burns' favorite line? "If I knew I was going to live so long, I would have taken better care of myself......."
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Stinger4me
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 6:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I forgot about the George Burns line, but I did tell a doctor the same thing a couple of weeks ago. He told me I was in pretty good shape for my age.

Stinger

(Message edited by Stinger4me on February 06, 2008)
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Goblue
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 8:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ray...you're doin' damn well...for a Westsider...it must be the Eastside influence of your better half.
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Ray1936
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 8:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ain't no doubt about that, Blue. She reminds me of that fact continually.
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Goblue
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 9:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lord knows I understand Ray...mine's from Indiana...told her that on the Eastside we always told jokes about Ohio...but never about Indiana...because there's nothing funny about Indiana...my 7 day sentence to the barn is up in two more days...which is good because my cellmate, the damn gelding, farts constantly!!
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Ray1936
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 9:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, I dunno, the funniest thing to come out of Indiana was Bobby Knight, but now I'm threadjacking so forget I said it.
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Goblue
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 9:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Already forgotten...but couldn't agree more...to the chagrin of my IN relatives.
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Gnome
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 10:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hell, if I was a gelding I'd fart all the time too.
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Slick
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Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 2:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

80 Years of Detroit Police Dispatch
April 7, 1928 to April 7, 2008

The Belle Isle Police Station on Inselrhue Drive built in the 1860s has a long and heralded history on Belle Isle. In this building on April 7, 1928, Detroit Police Radio began dispatching police units and has been doing it continuously since that time, albeit in various locations. The exact location for the first dispatch center is the second floor above the garage. This was one-way communication, dispatcher to vehicle. This is the documented beginning of using radio for Police dispatching nationwide.

While early radio transmissions began as early as 1921, it took advances in technology to make it practical. One obstacle was to develop a receiver that would work in a moving vehicle. To demonstrate the radio receiver it is said that Officers Ken Cox and Robert Batts dropped the unit on the floor of Commissioner William P Rutledge office and it continued to operate. Other improvements included a move away from the noisy downtown area to Belle Isle, a better antenna system, a method to fix tune the receiver and approval by the Commerce Commission, precursor of the FCC, to establish Police radio communications.

To mark the Eightieth Anniversary of this historic occasion, The Michigan Chapter of Associated Public-Safety Communications Officials (APCO), has worked with the Michigan Historical Commission to have a historical marker erected on the site.
The dedication of the marker will be April 13, 2008, Sunday afternoon at 2 PM. This is not only the Eightieth Anniversary; it coincides with Telecommunicators week established by APCO.

The Fiftieth Anniversary was marked by the dedication of a plaque from the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE). This marker is on the front south west corner near the main entry door to the building.
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Goblue
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Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 11:29 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gnome: Yeah...the mare is pretty disgusted with him...actually she's disgusted with both of the geldings. Last such post on this thread...maybe one is needed about the DPD Mounted Division.
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Stinger4me
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Posted on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 4:17 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Waiting to see what is posted about the DPD Mounted Section, there must be a few stories floating around.
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Gnome
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Posted on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 4:39 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How about some photos Slick? I'm sure a lot of guys would like to see your collection. The wooden radio you has on display was quite interesting.
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Tompage
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Posted on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 6:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes I remember the PREP (Personal Radio-Equipped Patrolman) radios: Brick shaped with brick weight.
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Ray1936
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Posted on Friday, February 08, 2008 - 1:06 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yup, they were even heavier and bulkier than those initial "brick" cell phones from about 1985. But they worked pretty good.

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