  Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 431 Registered: 08-2005 |
Grant children witnessed mother’s murder http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs .dll/article?AID=/20080215/NEW S04/80215059 this buster better ROT in jail | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6314 Registered: 08-2004 |
Agreed that this is despicable... but you could have used some better discretion in your thread title... | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 5135 Registered: 10-2003 |
I thought she used a lot of discretion... | ||
Melody Member Username: Melody Post Number: 133 Registered: 11-2007 |
No way, that's the best thread title ever. I hope he stays in jail forever. | ||
Evelyn Member Username: Evelyn Post Number: 111 Registered: 02-2005 |
I would've called him worse... | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 1915 Registered: 07-2004 |
His butthole is relevant. It's soon to be inspected thoroughly by some guy named Tiny. | ||
Gnome Member Username: Gnome Post Number: 745 Registered: 08-2007 |
I'll bet y'all that Mr. Grant is going to become very aware of that particular part of his person. If you think he walks funny walking in those shackles, just wait. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3501 Registered: 06-2004 |
he might not live long in jail anyway | ||
Raptor56 Member Username: Raptor56 Post Number: 262 Registered: 05-2007 |
Was he found guilty of First Degree Murder, or a lesser charge? I find it hard to believe that sentencing guidelines stipulate only 15-25 years. | ||
Ferntruth Member Username: Ferntruth Post Number: 358 Registered: 11-2006 |
I think it was 2nd Degree Murder that he was convicted of... | ||
Dogperson Member Username: Dogperson Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2008 |
I wondered if his sister knew about this | ||
Blueidone Member Username: Blueidone Post Number: 179 Registered: 03-2007 |
My opinion is that any jail term is not adequate. I don't want to start the whole discussion about capital punishment, but I don't think all of us as law abiding taxpayers should have to provide this murdering s.o.b. with three hots and a cot, medical care, education, etc. for ANY length of time. But since jail is what he is going to get..I hope they put him in a cell with "Tiny" and he gets what he deserves. | ||
Blueidone Member Username: Blueidone Post Number: 180 Registered: 03-2007 |
Just thought of something else...don't you wonder what he told those kids after he killed their mother? How did he convince them to keep quiet? Did he threaten them?? What kind of explanation did he offer them? Nothing like screwing up your kids' psyche for the rest of their lives. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 1177 Registered: 07-2007 |
Stephen Grant is a BUTTHOLE I'm sure he will get it in the But, hole Maybe he will get the Jeffrey Dahmer treatment. | ||
Thames Member Username: Thames Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2007 |
You just know that those kids were telling him to stop and he wouldn't. Gawd! | ||
Alan55 Member Username: Alan55 Post Number: 1244 Registered: 09-2005 |
In past decades, a professor at Lake Superior State would hold a snowman burning ceremony to welcome spring. As part of the ceremony, he would ban cliched, overused words and phrases. In carrying on his tradition, I nominate the phrases "Stephen Grant" and "Anna Nichole Smith" for permanent banishment, especially from newscasts. Enough already. | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 51 Registered: 10-2006 |
Every murder is despicable. Why is this one different to warrant the outpouring of emotion than one of the many murders committed in Detroit on a daily basis. Does race have something to do with it? Or where it occurred? Point is that one's life seems to have less value if your black and from Detroit. | ||
Melody Member Username: Melody Post Number: 134 Registered: 11-2007 |
"Point is that one's life seems to have less value if your black and from Detroit." He killed his wife in cold blood in front of his children and then chopped her body into bits, fucked the nanny and then lied about everything. If a black guy did that in Detroit to his black wife I'm sure we'd hear about that too. | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 433 Registered: 08-2005 |
sorry guys...I am just really mad...I see they changed my title | ||
Buyamerican Member Username: Buyamerican Post Number: 393 Registered: 02-2007 |
Gene, race has nothing to do with this at all. Why bring it up? | ||
Blueidone Member Username: Blueidone Post Number: 181 Registered: 03-2007 |
Race does not enter into my judgement. I think anyone of any race from any place who takes another person's life unless defending one's home family or property is despicable and should suffer the same ending. What I object to is my tax dollars going to support, care for and educate someone who commits these heinous crimes. Jails are overcrowded with those who feel that it's ok to kill someone over a pair of fancy shoes or a car, or whatever someone has that they want..or because someone hurt their feelings, or they were rejected by some boss or lover. So we keep building more jails and it stops nothing. I don't profess to have all the answers, but my feelings have nothing to do with what color the skin of the killer is..or where he or she lives. Senseless killing is just that...SENSELESS. | ||
Eriedearie Member Username: Eriedearie Post Number: 808 Registered: 08-2007 |
I ditto Blueidone. | ||
Bobj Member Username: Bobj Post Number: 3891 Registered: 11-2003 |
This guy is a butthole and deserves what he gets | ||
Ferntruth Member Username: Ferntruth Post Number: 359 Registered: 11-2006 |
"Gene, race has nothing to do with this at all. Why bring it up?" Because this is SE Michigan - sadly, we have to bring race into EVERYTHING "sorry guys...I am just really mad...I see they changed my title" I agree. It was wrong to change the title of the thread..and a bit cowardly IMO | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 52 Registered: 10-2006 |
So what is it then? Ella Bully justified the 444+ murders in Detroit last year by stating that most were drug related. Did any of those killings make the national news as did the Grant killing? I am sure many were more sensational than what Steven Grant did. Black on black crime not only in Detroit but nationally is ignored. | ||
Rjk Member Username: Rjk Post Number: 1048 Registered: 11-2003 |
Local news is about ratings, not being fair. White females make up the majority of people who watch the local news. White females will be more interested in a story about the killing of a suburban white female. This really isn't hard to figure out. | ||
Wash_man Member Username: Wash_man Post Number: 625 Registered: 05-2006 |
"Ella Bully justified the 444+ murders in Detroit last year by stating that most were drug related. Did any of those killings make the national news as did the Grant killing?" Did any of these killers chop up their victims and then go on TV to beg for clues and profess their love for the victim, all while knowing they were guilty? That's what makes it different from most other murders. | ||
Bigb23 Member Username: Bigb23 Post Number: 472 Registered: 11-2007 |
Wasn't there a landlord/maintenance man in Detroit several years ago that gave several TV interviews, and was later found guilty of dismembering a female in the bathtub of her apartment? Equal coverage. | ||
Thames Member Username: Thames Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2007 |
Gene, maybe it's because black men don't murder their black wives with their bare hands, while their black children watch, then dismember her and strew her body parts throughout a city park? Sorry for the sarcasm, I just get sick of it. Let me try again. When one drug dealer is killed by another drug dealer over turf or whatever, it's hard to find sympathy. They put themselves in harm's way. Everyone knows that getting killed is an occupational hazard in the drug business. When children are murdered in the city there is an outpouring of emotions because they are innocent, just like Tara and her children. Also, let's not forget what he did to her after he killed her. That doesn't happen every day. | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 53 Registered: 10-2006 |
Thames,Just because of ones occupation you can justify murder? If Tara and Steven were black and the murder was committed in Detroit, the local media would not even mention it. Mutilated, burnt, disfigured bodies and parts are found in Detroit's abandoned buildings and dumpsters on a regular basis. Not once have any of these horrific acts made it to the local or national media as the Grant murder. Just another day in the D. Its not about race???? (Message edited by gene on February 16, 2008) | ||
Thames Member Username: Thames Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2007 |
No, no, no, Gene, I didn't say murder is justifiable. I said drug dealing has occupational hazards, one of which is being murdered. People know that going in. I said that it is hard to find sympathy for them when it happens. When a child in the city is murdered, there is an outpouring of emotions. I guess I am to assume every burnt and disfigured body found in Detroit is a black person. It's not enough to say most are if you want to bring in race. Now if you were to make the argument that class and social status brought the headlines, well, I might be on board with that but remember, the guy was running around with his wife's torso for days! I can see how that alone would bring national headlines. | ||
Courtney Member Username: Courtney Post Number: 166 Registered: 06-2004 |
Oh come on. Those that have been found and weren't made into national news were NOT "ignored" because of their skin colour but because the media couldn't come up with some horrific "personalization" aspect to it. In many of the cases, the bodies aren't even identified for weeks, if ever. Time and time again when the body has a name and identity (and more so if it includes children in any way) it HAS made local and national news. Which then of course brings those like Gene to cry that the media is only showing the bad things in Detroit. There are a lot of people of all colours who end up in the national news because of what crap they've done to people they are supposed to love. Once again, the media eats up these stories because of the personalization. Just in the past month, I've read of TWO instances of "fathers" throwing their kids off of bridges in two states, the "mother" who had her baby in a HOSPITAL bathroom then threw it in the trash because she didn't want it, and the "father" who stomped on his infant sons head several times then threw it on the side of the road because it was crying. And of course, there have been more but those are the ones I've read recently, with lots of national news making updates. You have a rainbow of ethnic backgrounds in just those cases alone because they met the medias criteria for what would draw in the most readers/viewers. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6317 Registered: 08-2004 |
No it was not cowardly to change the thread title... it needed to be cleaned up. It's fine to call someone of his caliber that in a post, but not sensationalize it in a thread title. But there's no point in turning this forum into Frankenstein's mob (torches and pitchforks) over it... Now that said... I do think that before he's sent off to prison... they should tatoo the Cedar Pointe Log Flume ride on Stephen Grants butt. You think he's got "bug eyes" now...wait until Tiny or Bruno are done with him!  | ||
Brushparkbub Member Username: Brushparkbub Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2007 |
just one little point about the guy that mentioned capital punishment above. it is always more expensive (because of longer trials, guaranteed appeals, additional attorneys, experts, mitigation witnesses and so many other things that occur in capital cases) for the state to execute defendants. it is much cheaper to have a shorter trial and send someone to prison for life, with three meals and a cot. it is even cheaper to send someone to jail for 30 years and then release them. i don't think grant is going to be a danger to anyone when he is 75. but then again nobody thought he would be a danger to anyone before his gruesome crime. | ||
Brushparkbub Member Username: Brushparkbub Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2007 |
and this obsession with prison rape is quite disturbing. if it was your brother, cousin or pal from grade school that committed a horrible crime I don't think most of the people here would so calmly suggest such horrible treatment. a good friend of mine was just released from the federal pen. if you were grant's old friend would you say such things? why don't some of the people who have had friends or family members who are either locked up or have been released say something here. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6319 Registered: 08-2004 |
Sorry Brushparkbub... but the "horrible" killing (in front of the children) and dismembering a spouse somehow doesn't quite seem to equate to the "indignity" of getting a size 9 poop-chute! In this case, it's Schadenfreude... | ||
Thames Member Username: Thames Post Number: 41 Registered: 02-2007 |
Brushparkbub, don't worry, his Mom and sister are on his side. His taped jail conversations with his sister were enlightening. His sister commiserated with him telling him what a controlling bitch she thought Tara was. She also said, "Mom said you should have put her in the trunk and dropped her off at the airport". Whoa! If he were my child, I probably would have offed myself by now. I couldn't live knowing what an evil demon I brought into this world. If I were his friend, I would have written him off. Not only out of fear of him but I don't want any "friends" like that. He has no feelings for anyone (but himself), why should anyone have feelings for him? | ||
Eastsiderules Member Username: Eastsiderules Post Number: 30 Registered: 01-2008 |
Strange how this info came out during Christmas when his family were supposed to get visitation. Alicia Standefer won the lottery! | ||
Leoqueen Member Username: Leoqueen Post Number: 1859 Registered: 07-2004 |
He gets sentenced today..I predict 50-80 years. The fact that he did the murder naked and in front of his kids...well, what a fiend | ||
Pffft Member Username: Pffft Post Number: 1459 Registered: 12-2003 |
Do his family deserve to get visitation, after reading what his sister said about Tara? Nobody forced Grant's sister to say all that terrible stuff, and she said it despite a warning posted on the wall that she was being taped. | ||
Skylark Member Username: Skylark Post Number: 25 Registered: 08-2007 |
Grant gets 50-80 years. | ||
Detroitstar Member Username: Detroitstar Post Number: 967 Registered: 01-2006 |
I am a person that believes in forgiveness, but I just cand find any good will towards this guy. I hope the bastard rots in hell. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 7156 Registered: 11-2004 |
He's toast. I guess there's also a slightly vindictive part of me here that says neither he nor anyone else should be able to profit from his horrible actions as well. I don't want to see a movie. No books. No Broadway plays. No Harlequin romances. No more. Nothing about this guy. He's lost the right to be a part of our society as far as I'm concerned. | ||
Ltorivia485 Member Username: Ltorivia485 Post Number: 2965 Registered: 08-2004 |
Stephen Grant should and will rot in hell for what he did to his wife and children. He is not mentally ill. He definitely deserves no sympathy from me. He should have originally received a first-degree murder sentence. | ||
Alley Member Username: Alley Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2008 |
Eastsiderules, I don't think inheriting the children of a sister who was brutally murdered (in front of those children, no less) is by any means "winning the lottery!" | ||
Ray Member Username: Ray Post Number: 1079 Registered: 06-2004 |
Wow, where is this out pouring of law and order with respect to the regions other 680 murders. Besides, you guys are being too tough on the man. I bet his wife was a real bitch. He obviously is insane. | ||
Smogboy Member Username: Smogboy Post Number: 7157 Registered: 11-2004 |
Ray, I don't know if we are being too tough on just THIS man. I don't think anyone else here is condoning or excusing any of the other crimes or 680 other murders either. They're probably equally as heinous. The facts came out in court of law. He admitted to the gruesome nature of his crime. YOU'RE the one making the assumptions of his wife and even if she was a total bitch, she still didn't deserve to die in that manner. They could've just agreed to disagree, get a divorce and move on. As far as his sanity or lack there of, I don't know if any of us here can adequately make that comment. His act of murder was of the insane nature though- we can agree on that. | ||
Chitaku Member Username: Chitaku Post Number: 1863 Registered: 03-2006 |
of course killing someone is awful but i wouldn't be hard pressed to think she drove him to do it. I'm also sick of seeing the wide eyed sister speak. As gruesome and sick as the murder is, You can't count out the fact that she was maybe a looney bin too. Sadly wide eye Hackel and Eric Smith are using this to get their names out for election day | ||
Broken_main Member Username: Broken_main Post Number: 1453 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hmmm, I wonder what the original name of the thread was? | ||
Pam Member Username: Pam Post Number: 3556 Registered: 11-2005 |
quote: If you seriously think this, you need help. See Smogboy's post. Rational people get a divorce and walk away. | ||
Raggedclaws Member Username: Raggedclaws Post Number: 141 Registered: 08-2006 |
Ahhh...Ray. Your above post explains some of your other posts. You & Chitaku sound like a real catch. Single, I presume ? | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7144 Registered: 02-2004 |
Looks like Steven Grant will be paroled until his 88th birthday. What makes Steven Grant from a preppy guy into a psychopathic killer? Maybe it have to do with his past. | ||
Danny Member Username: Danny Post Number: 7145 Registered: 02-2004 |
Even Tara Grant's relatives and his children will never see him ever again. | ||
Chuckles Member Username: Chuckles Post Number: 193 Registered: 02-2007 |
It is obvious to me (from their post's) that Ray and Chitaku have serious issues and should seek help...they show potential for being the next Stephen Grant....scarry |
