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Ray1936
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Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 2:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Any comments about the new setup for The Free Press' web site? I think it's pretty clean, easy to navigate. Much better than the old page.
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Rhymeswithrawk
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Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 2:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/5/128732.html?1203382183
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Ray1936
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Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 3:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, rawk....looked for a thread and blew it.
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Brightpavilions
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Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 10:19 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are they going to re-design it ever year? It is an improvement I suppose. Navigation resembles the News redesign. Though the design of either of the dailies leaves much to be desired. Print and web.
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Drankin21
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 3:15 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like it a lot
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Dhugger
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Works for me. I get some moderate local coverage and I don't have to leave the house, waste the paper, or pay for it.
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Livernoisyard
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hated the older Freep's layout, which was probably why I hit the DetNews first--unless there was something I specifically wanted in the Freep.

The Recommendation option for their stories and comments is a nice feature too. Perhaps, that might cut down the large amount of "Me, too" comments and cut down my time and effort.
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Fishtoes2000
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 1:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here's a Detroit News page someone forget to finish. It's embarrassing getting caught with your Lorem ipsum showing.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/section?Category=SPORTS 06
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Ltorivia485
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 2:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I find the new Freep beta version to be somewhat cluttered. I like the more spacious and clean look.
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Vetalalumni
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 2:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Fishtoes2000, interesting discovery. SPORTS06 (and SPORTS02 etc...) look like testing and development, whereas SPORTS is for public consumption. SPORTS06 inadvertantly pushed to production?
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Fishtoes2000
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 4:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What did I win? ;)

SPORTS06 is/was their outdoor sports page. I had it bookmarked. I took a quick look and don't see it in the menu any longer. However, it still gets stories assigned to it.

I think it's just a big oversight. You shouldn't let your old URLs waste away, especially those with a decent Google Page Rank.
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Vetalalumni
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 6:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Possibly SPORTS06 was not deleted from production after deprecation. These housekeeping issues are not rare if left to manual intervention. Automated tools can be periodically tasked to discover and remove such pages.

On the other hand, generated pages (shtml etc...) will continue being (re)generated until removed from the generating algorithms (and content tables).

Redirection and database-driven techniques can help avoid problems. Bottom line - the onus is on the software developer(s) to fully understand the design of the system.
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Fishtoes2000
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 7:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Google knows of three such pages on the Detroit News site (http://tinyurl.com/23sdts) but none on the Freep.

Sorry all for the tangent and the lack of a nerd alert (as my girlfriend would call it.) :-)
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Renfirst
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 10:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The newspaper business model is in dire need of a change... it's somewhat odd to me that a company would give its product away, and actually work to make it more appealing...
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Livernoisyard
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Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It the advertisers who pay the freight. The circulation costs sometimes cost more than the charge for buying the paper.

The Capital Times in Madison was said to be the first daily US paper to go strictly online in a few weeks. It'll just be a free Internet issue.

Its motto is "Wisconsin's Progressive Newspaper." It's a socialist rag that lost out--even while located in the People's Republic of Madison.
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Charlottepaul
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Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 1:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I almost feel as if I am reading Latin (WTF!?):
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20071003/T EST/710030460/1042/LIFESTYLE05
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Jimaz
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Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 1:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lorem ipsum
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Charlottepaul
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Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 2:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LOL. Thanks! Guess one learns something new everyday...
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Jimaz
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Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 5:47 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Charlottepaul, you're very welcome.

I only knew that because my father was a printer. Printers learn all kinds of obscure things because they have to read so much of what they print.

The etaoin_shrdlu link on that page is interesting too.
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 6:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where was your father a printer, Jimaz?

I found a whole flat of old company logos, in lead in a frame last week at RO farmers market but it was too expensive.
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 6:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The newspaper itself has almost always been a loss leader.You're the product, after all.

The News will probably be online only soon (or the Free Press, not a ton of difference any more) as soon as they can get around that pesky JOA.
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Jimaz
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Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 7:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oldredfordette, he owned his own home-based printshop but it was no small operation. I think he just called it "Jim Moore" (his name). The press was in our unheated garage for a while then in the basement so we could operate through the winter.

Memories include the smell of linseed oil and gasoline and the sound of the ink disk ratchet clanking with each impression.

He taught us the trade. He bequeathed to me the last line of type he ever set: "There's no fun like work." I carefully preserved it, as presented, still in the stick.

The business actually became too successful and he had trouble turning away customers. But that's another story.

(Message edited by Jimaz on February 24, 2008)
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Pffft
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Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 8:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The printing presses are in place and running, so printing just one paper instead of two is not going to save enough money to be a viable option.

Plus there's a divide, Freep subscribers who won't subscribe to the News, News subscribers who won't pony up for the Freep. Those subscribers would just go away. There's no economic reason to run one paper online only.
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 11:01 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I honestly don't want to beat a dead horse here, but did you notice they took the word newspapers out of the company name? They print as many non-newspaper items as they print dailies. I wish it was going to be different but I don't think so.
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Pffft
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Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 12:14 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The morons who decide those things (taking 'newspapers' out of the company name for the business agent for the News and Free Press)probably thought it sounded "21st century," not tied to the old presses. They've pretty much been wrong on everything so far.
Another factor in print's survival is that they've discovered advertisers don't want a web-only product, they insist on a package of print ads along with the web ones, so customers can sit and gaze at their ads for days.
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 1:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Have you counted the ads in the paper lately?
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Pffft
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Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 2:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Which is exactly why they want to give the advertisers what they want.

The "web only" rumor surfaces every six months. If the economics made sense to print only one paper, they'd do it, but there's no advantage to doing that.
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Oldredfordette
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Posted on Monday, February 25, 2008 - 2:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The JOA stops it.

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