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Username: Eastsidechris
Post Number: 153
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 3:37 pm: |    |
Less than 20 minutes ago, my wife and I came upon six Grosse Pointe cop cars at the corner of Mack and Berkshire. We couldn't see everything that was happening, but there were two black kids who were stopped while driving a fancy white SUV. Couldn't see suspect #2 very well, but #1 was complying with the cops, hands on head, walking backwards, kneeling in front of police car. At least three cops had their weapons drawn and trained on the guys, and one of the weapons appeared to be a semi-automatic gun. Never seen anything that serious before. Anybody have the scoop on what happened? |
Ray1936
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Username: Ray1936
Post Number: 2778
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 3:41 pm: | |
Blacks in Grosse Point. Prima Facie felony. |
Higgs1634
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Username: Higgs1634
Post Number: 336
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 3:42 pm: | |
Wow it took 4 minutes to blame the cops? this board is slipping. |
Mikem
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Username: Mikem
Post Number: 3590
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 3:44 pm: | |
I saw them get pulled over initially. Washed my car and on the way back there were three cop cars but no guns yet. I think the SUV had Ohio plates. You have to admit that the GP cops are good. If you want to know what happened, just stop in Starbucks in the Village and ask a cop when he passes through. |
Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1936
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 3:56 pm: | |
I saw some SWAT guys yesterday at the police station at Hancock and Woodward. They were dressed in some sort of weird fully green uniform I'd never seen before, with green crash helmets, body armor, etc.
I never feel safer seeing police anymore. I used to when I was a kid. Now they just make me feel uneasy. |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2735
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:01 pm: | |
quote:Blacks in Grosse Point. Prima Facie felony.
I lol'd. |
Track75
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Username: Track75
Post Number: 2696
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:01 pm: | |
quote:Anybody have the scoop on what happened? Probably doing 27 m.p.h. in a 25 m.p.h. zone. |
Stinger4me
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Username: Stinger4me
Post Number: 195
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:05 pm: | |
Cut'em some slack unless you are an LEO! |
Stinger4me
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Username: Stinger4me
Post Number: 196
Registered: 08-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:05 pm: | |
Cut 'em some slack unless you are an LEO! |
Urbanpioneer
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Username: Urbanpioneer
Post Number: 36
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:33 pm: | |
I admit I've been one of those Detroiters pulled over by the grosse point cops on Mack and bitched about it. I was going, I think, the 45 in a 40. then someone pointed something out: I was outraged cuz that's how I drive in Detroit, but I'm never pulled over. The difference: In Grosse Pointe they enforce the law and you have to follow it. Everytime I'm in grosse pointe, I obey the speed limit. Isn't that the way law enforcement is supposed to work? The inverse is in Detroit, we're used to breaking or skirting the law. That's the way of life. It may sound petty, but in detroit many propertyowners, including the city, dont' shovel their walks making it dangerous etc --- but why should they .. there's no penalty.
I know this is slightly off point, but you can use enforcement of laws to create behavior change. |
Jt1
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Username: Jt1
Post Number: 11344
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:40 pm: | |
quote:Wow it took 4 minutes to blame the cops? this board is slipping.
You really took that comment at face value? |
Higgs1634
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Username: Higgs1634
Post Number: 337
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:45 pm: | |
no. |
Bobj
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Username: Bobj
Post Number: 3956
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:46 pm: | |
I live in GPP, me, my wife and my son have all received 5 over speeding tickets, like Urbanpioneer said, they enforce the law and that is fine with me. |
Ltorivia485
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Username: Ltorivia485
Post Number: 2977
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:50 pm: | |
If you do not have to drive in Grosse Pointe, don't do it. It's easy. Take Warren, Alter, Harper, Outer Drive, Moross or other streets to head to your destination. Drive on the Detroit side of Mack if you must. I avoid Grosse Pointe just so that I don't get pulled over by the police. |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 1239
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 4:51 pm: | |
Funny, I was just driving down mack also. I just went through a Yellow/Red light at Rivard. I saw a city cop driving toward me and thought I was busted. It then made a u-turn probably to check out that scene. A park cop was heading that way to.
They must have been selling crack 
UrbanP- Mack is only 30-35 MPH in GP Park and City. 35 in the Farms and Woods. |
Iheartthed
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Username: Iheartthed
Post Number: 2737
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 5:08 pm: | |
quote:I admit I've been one of those Detroiters pulled over by the grosse point cops on Mack and bitched about it. I was going, I think, the 45 in a 40. then someone pointed something out: I was outraged cuz that's how I drive in Detroit, but I'm never pulled over. The difference: In Grosse Pointe they enforce the law and you have to follow it. Everytime I'm in grosse pointe, I obey the speed limit. Isn't that the way law enforcement is supposed to work? The inverse is in Detroit, we're used to breaking or skirting the law. That's the way of life. It may sound petty, but in detroit many propertyowners, including the city, dont' shovel their walks making it dangerous etc --- but why should they .. there's no penalty.
I know this is slightly off point, but you can use enforcement of laws to create behavior change.
Actually, I believe that most agencies don't bother pulling people over for 5 MPH because that's a typical margin of error for a radar gun... |
Detroitnerd
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Username: Detroitnerd
Post Number: 1938
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 5:12 pm: | |
Of course, none of this addresses why the police had their guns drawn... |
Evelyn
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Username: Evelyn
Post Number: 128
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 5:23 pm: | |
Once, I was pulled over by GP cops who had their guns drawn. I had a burned out headlight. Which obviously meant I was armed and dangerous. |
Charlottepaul
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Username: Charlottepaul
Post Number: 2333
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 5:25 pm: | |
You mean everyone speeding in GP doesn't get guns pulled on them by the cops? |
Diehard
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Username: Diehard
Post Number: 328
Registered: 03-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 5:33 pm: | |
Isn't it possible they ran the plate and had reason to believe the kids were dangerous? Like, oh I don't know, the car was stolen or the driver had a warrant out or somesuch? Maybe they'd been fleeing? |
Gistok
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Username: Gistok
Post Number: 6342
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 5:34 pm: | |
... not as long as it's their own vehicle! |
Outoftown
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Username: Outoftown
Post Number: 9
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 7:31 pm: | |
What silly comments about the GP police. The "kids" in the car were considered dangerous, probably because they are.
Latrovea- I am sure that the Gp police, as well as most Gpers are quite happy to be rid of you and your silly sense that you are put upon.
Good bye, and Good riddance |
Terryh
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Username: Terryh
Post Number: 695
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 7:58 pm: | |
It is very important that we respect,as we are all 'only human' yet always question law enforcement tactics and behaviours as SOME of them profile-harass-overreact.Some cities are more conservative than others. You would be surprised at some of the leniency I have received in smaller communities for going WAAAAAAAY over the speed limit or driving around another driver on the shoulder. I have found that, generally speaking, suburban cops are, or my perception that is, much more authoritarian-serious ticket hyper than cops in smaller communities or Detroit. Why was I pulled over by three Warren cops after crossing into the city from Detroit on Vandyke,and alledgedly illegally? turning around in a parking lot on the southwest corner of Vandyke to drive west on 8 mile. I stopped, turned inside light on and had my hands hanging out the window with documentation,they came on kind of strong at first asking if I had drugs probably because they witnessed me drive into the city from Detroit. I said search me and my car right now, to reassure them I had nothing to hide. One looked at my license and looked at the cop next to him and shook his head no,(looking for someone with a car like mine perhaps)asked me where I was coming from after telling me to relax (little nervous being alone at night with cops not remembering they have dash cameras) I told him I left my friends house in the 12 and Groesbeck area then lied and said I went to check out a topless bar as I didnt think they would believe that I was taking a trip-pleasure cruise down memory lane past an old aquaintances house on Stotter.Why else would a white American be in Detroit at night unless he or she was looking for something to get into.
Anyways, I was let go with a warning that I couldve been given a ticket for the illegal turn and some unnecessary comment about my driving record. Not the worse experience Ive had by far, but I think I handled the situation correctly. |
Blksoul_x
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Username: Blksoul_x
Post Number: 131
Registered: 06-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 11:06 pm: | |
Since September, I have been assisting a friend on some business in Grosse Pointe/Village ( or whatever they call it)...I usually drive up Kercheval after Alter Rd (Detroit border) to the village. I have been pestered and pulled over 5 times since September...infact, a few times on my way back to Detroit, the 'GP overseers' escorted me all way out of Grosse Pointe across Alter RD, and all the way down to Chalmers Ave(2 blocks down) for no particular reason go figure!
blksoul_atcha! |
Detroitrise
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Username: Detroitrise
Post Number: 1663
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 11:14 pm: | |
"If you do not have to drive in Grosse Pointe, don't do it. It's easy. Take Warren, Alter, Harper, Outer Drive, Moross or other streets to head to your destination. Drive on the Detroit side of Mack if you must. I avoid Grosse Pointe just so that I don't get pulled over by the police."
Funny you mention that. I've seen the suburban police (Eastpointe, Harper Woods, GP) catch people for speeding on the Detroit side several times.
Eastpointe is especially notorious for it around 8 Mile and Gratiot. |
Buyamerican
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Username: Buyamerican
Post Number: 403
Registered: 02-2007
| | Posted on Friday, February 22, 2008 - 11:21 pm: | |
Have you questioned anyone regarding the problem you seem to be having at a very alarming rate? What are the reasons given to you as to why you are being pulled over (5 times in 5 months seems to be excessive). Have you been ticketed or given a warning for some sort of infractions? What does your friend who is doing business say about what is going on? Have you called the GP City police and lodged a complaint?
I find it hard to believe that the most you have to say is "go figure".
Buyamerican_atcha! |
Dag
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Username: Dag
Post Number: 221
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 12:32 am: | |
Fuck. I just slow down and enjoy the scenery. Grosse Pointe is only a demon as long as we make it be. It is a resource as soon as we let it be.
While I may echo CL, in some his more sane rantings, police enforcement in the most basic context leads to an understanding and respect of the law. Do GP cops overreact at times? Yes. Is there value in what they do? Yes.
While I know I am not responding to the original poster, I think I might be trying to hit upon the deeper issues in the divide. |
Outoftown
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Username: Outoftown
Post Number: 10
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 7:38 am: | |
Wow, thanks for clearing that up Drankin. You have such a head for knowing. |
Eastsidechris
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Username: Eastsidechris
Post Number: 154
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 11:49 am: | |
One thing I've found to be hypocritical about the GP police is what they'll enforce on the Detroit side of Mack, which I don't believe is even under their jurisdiction. I, too, was pulled over for speeding on the westbound (Detroit) side of Mack by a GP cop. That irked me, but not as much as thinking that if something ever went down at one of the houses on the Detroit side of Mack (and there are some, between Cadieux and Audubon), you know they aren't going to be the ones coming in to provide backup for the DPD. They have no problem with collecting money from Detroit residents in their speed traps, but I doubt would help to protect Detroit residents in the same area. |
Lefty2
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Username: Lefty2
Post Number: 1248
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2008 - 12:03 pm: | |
It is in their jurisdiction, (300 Ft over border if witnessing a crime), otherwise they would have been sued many times over.
The GP cops back up Detroit cops all the time, vice versa. |