  Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3572 Registered: 06-2004 |
http://www.latimes.com/news/lo cal/crime/homicidemap/ | ||
Mbr Member Username: Mbr Post Number: 319 Registered: 03-2005 |
or this http://gis.chicagopolice.org/ | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 207 Registered: 08-2007 |
Because it is much more beneficial for the media to paint the entire Detroit area as one free-for-all murder spree. However, stepping out of non-sarcastic mode, the city of Detroit really should do something like that. That is an ingenious idea! | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3573 Registered: 06-2004 |
Maybe on of the tv stations could do it for their web content. It would be more beneficial than some of the crap they give airtime to. | ||
Jonesy Member Username: Jonesy Post Number: 498 Registered: 07-2005 |
If DPD doesn't release the crime stats for the city, how can the media accurately report on crime. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3574 Registered: 06-2004 |
The map in the first post, done by the LA Times, is based on their own reporting and data from the county coroner's office. That's really why it caught my attention. (Message edited by lilpup on February 24, 2008) | ||
Dannyv Member Username: Dannyv Post Number: 107 Registered: 08-2007 |
Good point, Lilpup. Forewarned is forearmed. | ||
Mama_jackson Member Username: Mama_jackson Post Number: 286 Registered: 06-2006 |
How hard would it be for someone at the paper to stake out the coroner's office in Detroit? Not too. | ||
Jeduncan Member Username: Jeduncan Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2006 |
wow, i should use this for my GIS project at school | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 1255 Registered: 07-2007 |
I'm guessing because of DPD/politics making some look bad. Maybe thats why they don't report crime correctly in the first. The COMPSTAT system used in NY by chief Bratton then in LA by Bratton predicted crime in the future and would act accordingly. Detroit thinks differently. http://www.lapdonline.org/crim e_maps_and_compstat | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3577 Registered: 06-2004 |
I'll point out once again, for those not paying attention, the LA Times map isn't from police department data. | ||
Upinthewoods Member Username: Upinthewoods Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2007 |
back in '04 I made a unplanned tour through the southeast corner of the state fair neighborhood. Shortly after that I remember looking at a map in freep showing "hotspots" for homicides. Low and behold I walked right through one of them. So in conclusion these maps exist from time to time. | ||
Macknwarren Member Username: Macknwarren Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2007 |
"Because it is much more beneficial for the media to paint the entire Detroit area as one free-for-all murder spree." -- crumbled pavement CP: Beneficial? To whom? Not sure what your point is. | ||
Toledolaw05 Member Username: Toledolaw05 Post Number: 92 Registered: 04-2006 |
The Toledo Blade does one weekly for the city of Toledo and one for the suburbs listing all crimes that took place. http://toledoblade.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/N EWS18/233673834 | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 208 Registered: 08-2007 |
Macknwarren said: "CP: Beneficial? To whom? Not sure what your point is." It's much easier to sell newspapers with a shocking headline than it is to sell them with an article written with substance. | ||
Lefty2 Member Username: Lefty2 Post Number: 1259 Registered: 07-2007 |
Why doesn't the DPD give out crime statistics of where things happen. The coroner doesn't track burglaries. | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 455 Registered: 08-2005 |
http://maps.cmpdweb.org/ http://www.charmeck.org/Depart ments/CMPD/home.htm check these sites out | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3595 Registered: 06-2004 |
The DPD is already stretched that's why I'd prefer to see the newsies do it. It is, after all, news. Not only is it news, it's usable news, community news, stuff that really matters to the people at large. In the broad picture, yes, it would be nice to have all property and violent crimes be indicated, but under today's conditions I'd settle for a homicide map updated weekly. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2749 Registered: 04-2006 |
That's a creative way to use the Google maps API... | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 456 Registered: 08-2005 |
see the DPD and city govt just doesn't use it resources well... if they use Google maps, they could easily pay an IT guy to make a program that will talk to the 911 and Goggle maps to plot this information out immediately. Its not about the work on a daily basis, its about using their resources wisely to create something that is automatic. Do you think that someone in Chicago and Charlotte type this stuff in daily - no, they paid fr automation. great example - my mother was the project manager for the 700 mhz radio project. Have you heard anything else about that? Apparently, they don't even work properly. So they paid my mother to monitor their poor resource allocation. Then they laid her off during the last few budget cuts...so NO ONE is even monitoring this process now especially considering they are not even working properly. go figure? | ||
Downtowntom Member Username: Downtowntom Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2006 |
You cant do this in Detroit. Why not? 1 It promotes racial stereotyping 2 It encourages racial profiling 3 It reinforces mortgage and insurance redlining | ||
Viziondetroit Member Username: Viziondetroit Post Number: 1459 Registered: 11-2003 |
^^ That's gonna happen either way. Even if we went 1 year without any murders- people will still focus on the past (of course not the super pro-Detroiters on this forum<-sarcasm). | ||
Wanderinglady Member Username: Wanderinglady Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2007 |
The L.A. Times' Homicide Report blog, in its FAQ section, explains why it includes the race of murder victims in its reports: http://latimesblogs.latimes.co m/homicidereport/2007/06/why_d oes_the_re.html . I suggest that those who are interested read some of the victims' stories. I live in the Los Angeles area and regularly read the Homicide Report. I think it "puts a face" on the issue. Another thing is that the Homicide Report is not just limited to the city, it includes all of Los Angeles county. It has been eye-opening to see what happens in areas most of us would consider "safe". It's also revelatory as to the number of domestic-violence related murders in the Los Angeles area. It isn't just Black or Latino gang members doing drive-bys (of course, there are plenty of those there too). It would be interesting if the Freep or the News developed something similar to the Times' Homicide Report. Including the suburbs would deflate the idea of "picking on Detroit" or "picking on [insert racial group here]". Maybe it could spur people to action. It would definitely be controversial -- but maybe that's what is needed. | ||
Defendbrooklyn Member Username: Defendbrooklyn Post Number: 710 Registered: 11-2005 |
Great idea if done accurately. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1907 Registered: 09-2006 |
If we demand it and demand it loudly I'm sure they will listen. Where are all of the over energetic crusaders this forum has been hit with recently? Here is something worthwhile for you all to do. | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 215 Registered: 08-2007 |
Mayor_sekou said: "If we demand it and demand it loudly I'm sure they will listen." I wonder if we could put together a web page like this. Obviously it wouldn't compete with other web sites in other areas, but if it became popular it would pressure media in Metro Detroit to adopt this concept. Just a thought... | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1913 Registered: 09-2006 |
That is a good thought I'm no good running a web site but if someone is serious enough I wouldn't mind lending a helping hand. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1916 Registered: 09-2006 |
Bump, because this something us Detroityes'ers(?) could do that would actually be very useful. | ||
Dianeinaustin Member Username: Dianeinaustin Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2008 |
It might encourage people to purchase houses in certain decent neighborhoods. Buy up the foreclosures, start getting all the houses occupied and perhaps adjoining areas will benefit and become populated as well. Move in decent people and squeeze out the low lifes. Except there is always the possibility of being ripped off or mugged by low lifes cruising your good neighborhood cuz there is nothing to take from theirs. Sorry to have the negative overtake the positive but that seems to be the reality of D. | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 468 Registered: 08-2005 |
If someone had a Google Earth account they'd have to commit to time to plot the addresses or intersections...but where to get the actual information from is the hardest part...scanning the news would leave us with some gaps | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1919 Registered: 09-2006 |
Thats what I was worried about getting the info. Does somebody know anybody in the coroners officer or the police department willing to leak info? | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 4662 Registered: 12-2005 |
One could try to collect the information from a police scanner but that might be difficult to do thoroughly and would be too time consuming. I find it hard to believe that the data doesn't already exist somewhere but just isn't getting published. What organization wouldn't keep records? | ||
Mama_jackson Member Username: Mama_jackson Post Number: 295 Registered: 06-2006 |
I maybe wrong, but wouldn't this be considered public information from a coroner's office? It's a government agency, paid for with tax money. Isn't it possible to contact their office daily to get an 24 hour update for the new arrivals? | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 218 Registered: 08-2007 |
detroitcrime.com can be purchased for $1,100. detroitcrime.net and detroitcrimestatistics.com can be purchased for $20. Rel has all the experience on purchasing domain names and all the controversy that comes with it. All we need is info and we can have this thing up and running in late March, early April. Heck, we could even expand and give general crime information in Detroit. Get 'er done! | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1920 Registered: 09-2006 |
Hell I'm down for either Detroitcrime.net or detroitcrimestatistics.com how do you purchase them because if they are only 20 dollars and take Visa check card ill do it when I get home. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3609 Registered: 06-2004 |
go to networksolutions.com or Godaddy.com to get domain names. There's nothing to that. The real problem is getting the data that's why I charged the newsies with doing it. They get easier and more complete access than Joe Citizen. | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 219 Registered: 08-2007 |
Mayor_sekou, be careful registering those domain names because you may be required to give up personal information (i.e.: address). There is an option on most domain name sites to hide that information, just an fyi | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1921 Registered: 09-2006 |
Thanks for the heads up, Crumbled Well I called the county coroners office and asked them whether or not this information was public and available to whoever, they referred me to this other person who I'll have to call back tomorrow to discuss this in more detail. I also called an internet consulting company, Spartan Internet consulting, and asked how much it would cost to develop and keep it up and running and they said upwards of 5-10 grand at minimum. So it looks like I am going to have to learn how to code html or scale it back a bit. Or rely on others who can code html. But all of this is not important until a steady source is developed. | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 220 Registered: 08-2007 |
You don't have to have all the bells and whistles. A simple jpeg image of Detroit with icons that denote where a murder occurred is all that is needed. We're just trying to advance the idea to make it popular. No way we can make a profit out of it. Investments of 5 - 10 grand is for projects you can make money off of... | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1922 Registered: 09-2006 |
Agreed. I am going to start Page sourcing sites with Firefox to see how it is done then once a source is found it should be a piece of cake. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1923 Registered: 09-2006 |
Or we could request the info via FOIA but then the city will for sure say no because it will argue a request will do all of the following: * interfere with law enforcement proceedings; * deprive a person of the right to a fair trial or impartial administrative adjudication; * constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; * disclose the identity of a confidential source or, if the record is compiled by a criminal law enforcement agency in the course of a criminal investigation, disclose confidential information furnished only by a confidential source; * disclose law enforcement investigative techniques or procedures; or * endanger the life or physical safety of law enforcement personnel. So that might be a dead end there. | ||
Track75 Member Username: Track75 Post Number: 2700 Registered: 10-2003 |
These maps are from a Detroit News article a few years ago. There was a thread back then where I posted these but I can't find it.    Someone might try searching the News archives for their article on Detroit murders. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1924 Registered: 09-2006 |
Good find. Thats kind of bad its so evenly spread out like that. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3610 Registered: 06-2004 |
Track75 those are shootings I think, not homicides, and the time frame covered isn't specified. I think, if all three of those pieces could be viewed as one then cluster areas would be easier to see. FOIA couldn't provide current info though one could do historical plots for comparison. Short of the PD the coroner's office is the next best bet for timely and the most complete homicide info. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3613 Registered: 06-2004 |
Just for starters and using news media reports a google map plot can be done free of charge. | ||
Drankin21 Member Username: Drankin21 Post Number: 187 Registered: 12-2003 |
I found a map of Detroit that doesn't have details of every crime in Detroit but it does pinpoint the location where the most egregious crimes against the city have occurred.  | ||
Downtowntom Member Username: Downtowntom Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2006 |
Drankin21 WOW!•••• That tells the whole story. Funny too!••• | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3660 Registered: 06-2004 |
"Well I called the county coroners office and asked them whether or not this information was public and available to whoever, they referred me to this other person who I'll have to call back tomorrow to discuss this in more detail." Did you find out anything yet? | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 4689 Registered: 12-2005 |
Here's a pretty good resource for learning HTML, ASP,Jscript and VBScript: W3Schools. | ||
Evelyn Member Username: Evelyn Post Number: 145 Registered: 02-2005 |
Here's another paper's map- http://www.abqjournal.com/crim e/crimemapweekdefault.htm | ||
Flyingj Member Username: Flyingj Post Number: 98 Registered: 08-2006 |
I prefer the L.A. Daiy News crime blog; http://www.insidesocal.com/cri me/ but Seattle's 'Hash' was interesting too; http://archive.seattlepressonl ine.com/article-9879.html | ||
Crumbled_pavement Member Username: Crumbled_pavement Post Number: 239 Registered: 08-2007 |
Evelyn, I sure would hate to get arrested in Albuquerque. They put a person on full blast there. Name, offenses, everything. Just knowing that would make me extra cautious to obey the law. Of course, these are arrests and not just traffic stops, but enough incentive to do the right thing nonetheless! | ||
Evelyn Member Username: Evelyn Post Number: 146 Registered: 02-2005 |
I agree. And I'm willing to bet that no-one posts a list of the arrests APD made in error. New Mexico has a big DWI problem, and my guess is that they post arrest info as a kind of public shaming. Something like the states that issue different colored plates for people with DWI's on their records. | ||
Mayor_sekou Member Username: Mayor_sekou Post Number: 1931 Registered: 09-2006 |
Well after talking to like 3 different people at the ME office Friday I got referred to the Crime Analysis Dept. of the DPD. Ill try calling later on when I get home if its not too late. Updates to follow. (Message edited by mayor_sekou on March 03, 2008) | ||
Mrsjdaniels Member Username: Mrsjdaniels Post Number: 504 Registered: 08-2005 |
great job Sekou...some ideas to add to the page (maybe you should do a blogspot page - detroitcrime.blogspot.com) then we can add pictures, have ppl comment and do Google news feeds...then if you allow adds, that can pay you for your time | ||
Jt1 Member Username: Jt1 Post Number: 11390 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: I disagree. If the DPD is not doing this already they are essentially admitting that they do not believe in pro-active police work. Any PD worth a damn should know exactly the hit spots for crime and concentrate on those. It is one of two options: 1. DPD has the data but does not release it. I disagree with this approach since the data should be available to the public. 2. DPD does not have this data which would mean that there is major incompetence at every leadership position in DPD. Identifying trends and hot spots of crime should be the first thing they do. If they are not doing this EBC and all of her leaders need to be replaced, preferrably outside of DPD immediately. | ||
Lilpup Member Username: Lilpup Post Number: 3679 Registered: 06-2004 |
Jt, I'm sure the PD has the data but should their time be spent maintaining a website for public reference if someone else could do it - someone whose entire industry is geared to communication and dispersing news and information? |
