  Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 5228 Registered: 10-2003 |
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.d ll/article?AID=/20080219/METRO 01/802190318/1408/LOCAL quote: This seems like good news to me. Maybe Granholm's right, this could be an opportunity for our area. (Message edited by johnlodge on February 20, 2008) | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 5229 Registered: 10-2003 |
The U.S. Department of Energy seems to agree we're a great place for this type of investment and research. http://www.eere.energy.gov/win dandhydro/windpoweringamerica/ maps_template.asp?stateab=mi | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 5231 Registered: 10-2003 |
Here's a list of Michigan Manufacturers who currently produce unique components for the wind industry. There is also a map showing locations. http://www.nextenergy.org/cm/a ttach/C3C1421E-46C2-4005-B7A5- 515E16546DFC/Michigan_Wind_Mfg _Brochure_10-07.pdf | ||
Spiritofdetroit Member Username: Spiritofdetroit Post Number: 839 Registered: 11-2006 |
there will be tax credits of up to 50% off property taxes for those who put eligible windmills on their property under Governor Granholm's plan | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2006 |
Sounds like a great idea. Don't let RFK jr.know about the project he didnt seem to think it was such a good idea when in his backyard. Talk about a hypocrite. http://www.grist.org/news/muck /2006/01/12/capecod/ | ||
Umbound Member Username: Umbound Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2008 |
Why doesn't the city try and do this. with all the urban prairie because of the loss of population i think it could be done, or why not Belle Isle with all the land there? | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 859 Registered: 10-2003 |
Omg. Progressiveness? Here!? Excellent news. We need so much more of this. Anyone who opposes should be shot. | ||
Elsuperbob Member Username: Elsuperbob Post Number: 116 Registered: 03-2007 |
This is really great news. I hope it goes through. It seems Toronto's turbine has had positive results and it'd be great to see that here, too. http://www.windshare.ca/explac e/the_wind_turbine.html Plus, they make really cool objects on the landscape, like the corn fields of Iowa where I saw my first wind farm almost a few years ago (http://www.trekearth.com/galle ry/photo70915.htm). Umbound, I've thought about that, too, using some of the urban prairie. Especially around Concord north of Harper where there's quite a bit of open space. Or how about the jetty and water at the northeast end of Belle Isle. | ||
Umbound Member Username: Umbound Post Number: 41 Registered: 02-2008 |
It would work, or just level off a whole neighborhood that is blighted with very little population, move the people and build them there you could put quite a few there. | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2006 |
Umbound, let me see a neighborhood that is blighted with very little population?? Most of the eastside would qualify. | ||
Umbound Member Username: Umbound Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2008 |
Haha yeah my dad has a liquor store on the eastside, they should do that and on top of that add farmland or some to it also. it would work i think, but it wont happen in the city anyway. | ||
Dan Member Username: Dan Post Number: 1504 Registered: 10-2003 |
Gene did you read RFK Jr's op-ed in the NY Times? He presents a pretty fair argument. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 590 Registered: 12-2006 |
Who'd of thunk that downriver would be so forward thinking?! | ||
Homer Member Username: Homer Post Number: 273 Registered: 08-2004 |
I can see Eastside scrappers now, drooling over the new crop of copper needed to move power from the windmills. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 5232 Registered: 10-2003 |
Windpower in the U.S. has increased 45% in the last year, and accounted for 30% of investment in power generation. quote: Not enough wind turbines being manufactured to keep pace with demand! | ||
Drankin21 Member Username: Drankin21 Post Number: 180 Registered: 12-2003 |
Not to mention the amount of skilled trades to manufacture and erect wind turbines. This really is a great movement that will benefit all. | ||
Gene Member Username: Gene Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2006 |
quote: Gene did you read RFK Jr's op-ed in the NY Times? He presents a pretty fair argument Dan, I read the editorial textbook example of a NIMBY-ism. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 5245 Registered: 10-2003 |
1) But they're loud! I stood right next to the one up by Traverse City. I couldn't hear anything. 2) But they'll kill birds! As many as strip mining entire habitats for coal, then filling the air with carbon when you burn it? Seriously, like the people who fight wind farms really give two shits about a bird any other time. 3. But it will taint the view from my lakefront mansion! F#ck off. | ||
Thoswolfe Member Username: Thoswolfe Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2007 |
Wyandotte is not bound to DTE like most cities. They have their own city electric utility, as well as cable tv. (few years back, they even had their own phone co.) Gotta give Wyandotte credit, they're still looking ahead and do not want to be dependant on oil/coal/natural gas.No way they could afford a nuclear plant. | ||
Diehard Member Username: Diehard Post Number: 323 Registered: 03-2005 |
Amen JohnLodge. Ask the NIMBYs if they'd rather live next to a windmill or an oil refinery. | ||
Diehard Member Username: Diehard Post Number: 324 Registered: 03-2005 |
I can see Eastside scrappers now, drooling over the new crop of copper needed to move power from the windmills. Heh. Let 'em at it - AFTER the lines are live. Problem solved. | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 860 Registered: 10-2003 |
1) But they're loud! I stood right next to the one up by Traverse City. I couldn't hear anything. 2) But they'll kill birds! As many as strip mining entire habitats for coal, then filling the air with carbon when you burn it? Seriously, like the people who fight wind farms really give two shits about a bird any other time. 3. But it will taint the view from my lakefront mansion! F#ck off. Exactly! | ||
Elsuperbob Member Username: Elsuperbob Post Number: 117 Registered: 03-2007 |
Mind and John, you're right on with the noise issue. It's just a NIMBY argument. It's all about number 3 and in my opinion I think it would enhance the view just like the Golden Gate Bridge certainly adds to the beauty of the Golden Gate. Last year, I believe it was, there was an outcry about a proposed wind farm off Pentwater along the same lines. When I stood in the field to take the photo of the linked image I posted above I could hear nothing. I was surrounded by 55 turbines and only if I listened very very carefully I could barely hear a very slight whooshing sound. It was actually pretty eerie being surrounded by all those towers with moving blades and hearing nothing. At 300 meters a modern turbine is as quiet as the reading room of a library. As for bird kills they apparently result in less than 1 death per 10,000, far less than radio towers, buildings and such and like you said are certainly a better alternative to strip mining. A link to FAQs at the American Wind Energy Association http://www.awea.org/faq/wwt_en vironment.html Additionally they provide money to the property owners on whose property they are located. I believe it's 2000 dollars a month per tower at the Cerro Gordo Wind Farm and they only occupy something like 50 by 50 feet of ground. (Message edited by elsuperbob on February 21, 2008) (Message edited by elsuperbob on February 21, 2008) | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 5281 Registered: 10-2004 |
Erect some in Capitol Park. The downed pigeons could be used for food by its underprivileged residents, and the electricity could fire up boom boxes, microwaves, and toaster ovens there. If there are ample pigeons, some entrepreneurs could set up part-time take-out businesses there for park patrons. | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 862 Registered: 10-2003 |
Domestic house cats and birds flying into the windows of houses built in the countryside account for far FAR more bird deaths every year than every last wind turnbine in this country. That is such a ridiculous argument. I'm so sick of selfish people. me, me, ME! It's all about what I want!•• | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 272 Registered: 12-2007 |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi kipedia/commons/2/2d/US_wind_p ower_map.png Put them in the middle of the Lakes outside the Shipping lanes, better yet, use the wave generating power plants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W ave_farm | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6337 Registered: 08-2004 |
I think a better idea would be to strap LY to one of the windmill blades, so that while it's turning his screams will alert birds from getting to close to be injured...  | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 5283 Registered: 10-2004 |
Better yet. Strap Gerhard to one instead, and the pigeons will shower him to his utter delight and glee. | ||
Fishtoes2000 Member Username: Fishtoes2000 Post Number: 419 Registered: 06-2005 |
Or, on days without much wind, we could sit 3rdworldcity in front of the turbine so he can keep repeating... quote: https://www.atdetroit.net/forum/mes sages/91697/101701.html | ||
D_mcc Member Username: D_mcc Post Number: 274 Registered: 12-2007 |
Thought I would pour a little fuel on this fire: http://www.treehugger.com/file s/2008/02/virgin_atlantic_1.ph p |
