  Urbanoutdoors Member Username: Urbanoutdoors Post Number: 766 Registered: 11-2005 |
I was looking through Camillo Jose Vergara's book the New American Ghetto last night and I realized one, that he has Michigan Central station labeled as Gary, Indiana in one picture. Also how far Brush Park has come in the past 10 years. Anyone else notice inconsistencies in books about Detroit. I am amazed to see where Brush Park will be 10 years from now. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 1078 Registered: 01-2007 |
Urbanoutdoors, while I am not familiar with Vergara's book, nor am I any kind of historian, the Michigan Central Train Station is (was) indeed located in Gary, Indiana! It was moved here in the early 1900's by a team of mules and former slaves to be used as a circus attraction. When that failed, it was decided to by used as a train station, the reason it was built in the first place. | ||
Bragaboutme Member Username: Bragaboutme Post Number: 95 Registered: 02-2008 |
Bullet, where did you get that info from? | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 1082 Registered: 01-2007 |
Bragaboutme, the information you ask about comes from a book on Detroit’s forgotten history tid-bits called: "Planes, Trains, and Brains, Detroit’s' Unknown Facts" by the late Otto Von Outdooran. | ||
Jimaz Member Username: Jimaz Post Number: 4853 Registered: 12-2005 |
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Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 1578 Registered: 04-2006 |
I once heard Veraga speak at WSU. Very interesting. He confirmed what BulletMag said. Not only that, he said aliens transported Mi Central from Alpha Centari to Gary (by way of Los Angeles). | ||
Gsgeorge Member Username: Gsgeorge Post Number: 598 Registered: 08-2006 |
In twenty years time, the NEW American Ghetto will be out in Canton, Sterling Heights, and Waterford, and Brush Park will be back to it's early 20th-century glory. | ||
Bussey Member Username: Bussey Post Number: 647 Registered: 12-2003 |
and gas will be 10 dollars a gallon | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 1581 Registered: 04-2006 |
"Strange days are upon the residents of many a suburban cul-de-sac. Once-tidy yards have become overgrown, as the houses they front have gone vacant. Signs of physical and social disorder are spreading." -The Atlantic, Christopher B. Leinberger http://www.theatlantic.com/doc /200803/subprime | ||
Ragtoplover59 Member Username: Ragtoplover59 Post Number: 220 Registered: 09-2006 |
Capt. James T Kirk directed the move, But due to a Legal problem, it was moved through Boston, Not Los Angeles. | ||
Detroitplanner Member Username: Detroitplanner Post Number: 1582 Registered: 04-2006 |
I thought Verega was trying to pull a fast one on me, thanks for the info RTL59 | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6540 Registered: 08-2004 |
Vergara is Michigan Building owner Tony Pieroni's former brother-in-law (in good standing). Tony mentioned on another thread that Vergara used to be married to Tony's sister, and when Vergara comes to town he stops by to visit. | ||
Craig Member Username: Craig Post Number: 684 Registered: 02-2007 |
From The Atlantic article... "Most Americans now live in single-family suburban houses that are segregated from work, shopping, and entertainment; but it is urban life, almost exclusively, that is culturally associated with excitement, freedom, and diverse daily life." No question that parts of suburbia have taken a beating with the economic downturn, but I believe that it's premature start playing taps for sprawl. I pulled the above quote to underscore this point: for every one who agrees with the premise of the quote, there are likely many more for whom suburban lifestyle (as lived today) is preferable to neo-urbanism. | ||
Boshna Member Username: Boshna Post Number: 204 Registered: 01-2005 |
I love that Atlantic article. It is a poignant and wise assessment of the shift in community patterns that is already well underway. | ||
Daytwa Member Username: Daytwa Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2007 |
let us hope | ||
Mikeg Member Username: Mikeg Post Number: 1526 Registered: 12-2005 |
quote: I fail to see how a hoped-for loss of billions of dollars in home equity and $10 gas will somehow selectively cause prosperity for the city of Detroit. I want the economic engines that power this region to continue, and the more engines we have powering it, the better off we will all be in the long run. In the short run, $10 gas will only cause more damage to our main economic engine and further reduce the standard of living for all of SE Michigan's residents. | ||
Detx Member Username: Detx Post Number: 119 Registered: 07-2007 |
"In twenty years time, the NEW American Ghetto will be out in Canton, Sterling Heights, and Waterford, and Brush Park will be back to it's early 20th-century glory." Gsgeorge, you say that so matter-of-factly, as if you WANT that to happen... For some reason, a large number of people in SE MI don't think that strong suburbs and Detroit can coexist, or at least they don't want them to. We need to sustain the high quality of life we see in places like Canton and Sterling Heights, etc., and continue to improve the core of our region, Detroit. If your prediction holds true, than isn't the redevelopment of Detroit a moot point in the big picture? There can be no peicemeal progress anymore! | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 5564 Registered: 10-2004 |
New urbanists seem compelled to write for liberal rags and to criticize the vast majority of Americans who don't care for nor want that life style in the cores or most neighborhoods of dirty, dangerous cities. If indeed those urban locales were so Utopian, there would be long waiting lines for entry there, and those continually depressed residential and retail commercial districts would not be the ghettos that they rightfully are. | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 1083 Registered: 01-2007 |
Gsgeorge, stranger things have happened. I purchased the above mentioned book used from the Library Bookstore in downtown Ferndale a few years back. Tucked in it I found a postcard that been inscribed, but for whatever reason, never sent. Perhaps it was needed more as a book mark. On the front was a hand colored photo of a Wooly Mammoth, chained to a large tree, with a crowd of astonished people looking-on from a safe distance. On the obverse is the description: "North America’s last Wooly Mammoth, chained and shackled before paying customers at Detroit’s Brush Park." The inscription reads as follows: "Clive, This beast pert near trod on me!-Aloysius" The stamp (see below for scan) remains un-canceled, so there is no date as to when this took place. So I guess Brush Park has a history as a theme park as well.  (Message edited by Bulletmagnet on March 23, 2008) | ||
Charlottepaul Member Username: Charlottepaul Post Number: 2405 Registered: 10-2006 |
It is really that interesting in Charlotte (perhaps even unique). Unlike metro Detroit in many ways, in Charlotte, the closer that one lives to downtown, the more expensive the real estate. These suburban subdivisions are built for lower income folks (about the $150,00 range) who have been generally booted from their inner-city neighborhoods through gentrification. This is the way that it is in Charlotte, therefore, not inherently akin to Detroit. | ||
Johnnny5 Member Username: Johnnny5 Post Number: 712 Registered: 06-2005 |
Bulletmagnet was it really necessary to bring Jenny in to this thread? (Message edited by Johnnny5 on March 23, 2008) | ||
Urbanoutdoors Member Username: Urbanoutdoors Post Number: 767 Registered: 11-2005 |
In the Detroit's Corktown book it says "Here is one of the Corktown streets lost to progress during the 1950s" but it is clearly my old block on Leverette. p.38 | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6548 Registered: 08-2004 |
Bulletmagnet... you're a week too early for April Fools! That "inverted" Jenny picture (which you got from Wikipedia, by the way!)... shows one rarest stamps of all time... the $800K plus 1918 24 cent stamp, which accidentally had the airplane printed upside down. Only 100 known... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I nverted_Jenny You thought you were going to pull a "Philatelic Fast One"...  (Message edited by Gistok on March 23, 2008) | ||
Bulletmagnet Member Username: Bulletmagnet Post Number: 1089 Registered: 01-2007 |
Since the stamp was not cancelled, I steamed her off of the post card and re-used it (along with the extra needed postage) on a utility bill. Saved me 24 cents dude! | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 2868 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: Charlotte isn't unique. In a lot of cities the real estate prices increase the closer you get to the business district. As the saying goes, you can't go wrong with property in central London. Detroit is unique in that it doesn't follow this trend. |
