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Detroitrise
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 1:59 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was is because of cheaper land?

Really, think it would have benefited SE Michigan and especially Detroit even more if they didn't move their campus and many of the inner city neighborhoods probably wouldn't be so run down.

Not to mention, the land west of DTW would have probably been more rural than it is now.

(Message edited by detroitrise on March 28, 2008)
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Club_boss
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought it had to do w/ taxes
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Lilpup
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ann Arbor lobbied hard for the state capitol when Michigan was to become a state. It lost out to Lansing and the state legislature gave it the U as a consolation prize.
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El_jimbo
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Wasn't the original site of UofM supposed to be Toledo until Michigan gave Toledo to Ohio in exchange for land in the UP?
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56packman
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It was too difficult to feel superior in Detroit.
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Slider
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, it was supposed to be in Toledo. The is a plaque in the Warehouse district of Toledo where the University was to located. It is near the Mud Hens stadium. Yes, the site of Ann Arbor was chosen after the "Toledo War" where the disputed strip of land ended up in Ohio. The plaque is on Superior near Washington near the Bronze Boar bar if anyone is interested.
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Rustic
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

so they would be closer to the stadium?
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Jjaba
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:35 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They went to Ann Arbor so The Forum could debate whether or not Ann Arbor is a Detroit suburb.

jjaba, Ann Arbor ain't a suburb.
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Lilpup
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wonder if that was an argument used to try to keep the strip. It's not mentioned in any histories I've read.
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Jjaba
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

They went to Ann Arbor so students could throw condoms under trees in the Arboritum, long illegal in Rouge Park in Detroit.

jjaba, that's why.
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Irish_mafia
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 2:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

White Flight of the 1800s
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3rdworldcity
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Because E. Lansing was already taken by MSU?
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Lilpup
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definitely not, unless you're counting some cowbarn as an MSU predecessor
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Danindc
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

IIRC correctly, Ann Arbor set aside 40 acres for the state capitol complex. When the capitol was awarded to Lansing, Ann Arbor gave the 40 acres (now the Diag) to the University of Michigan.

There's a really great book written by a UM history professor (Steneck?) called "The History of the University of Michigan". The details can be found there.
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Detroitrise
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Dan.

The state of Michigan injured Detroit with 2 stones (by themselves) :-(
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Greatlakes
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's incorrect to think having a major university in the city would improve the area around it. Just look at Columbia University and the University of Chicago.
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Detroitrise
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

True Greatlakes, but universities at the level of U of M are huge economic boosters for the areas surrounding it.
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Wpitonya
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You don't think Columbia makes a positive impact on the surrounding neighborhood?? Are you crazy? What about WSU? UofM Flint?
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Fury13
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Huh? In NYC near Columbia, the Upper West Side is very decent, and Harlem property values are through the roof. In Chicago, Hyde Park/Kenwood (adjacent to U of C) is one of the really interesting, pleasant areas of the South Side.
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D_mcc
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

^^^Or USC or Miami...or Georgia Tech...Or Boston College...
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Gazhekwe
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That land was granted through the Treaty of Fort Meigs, 1817. Indians believe the treaty included education for Indians in perpetuity.

Article 16 of the Treaty:

Some of the Ottawa, Chippewa, and Potawatomy Tribes, being attached to the Catholic religion, and believing they may wish some of their children hereafter educated, do grant to the rector of the Catholic church of St. Anne of Detroit, for the use of the said church, and to the corporation of the college at Detroit, for the use of the said college, to be retained or sold, as the said rector and corporation may judge expedient, each, one half of three sections of land, to contain six hundred and forty acres, on the river Raisin, at a place called Macon; and three sections of land not yet located, which tracts were reserved, for the use of the said Indians, by the treaty of Detroit, in one thousand eight hundred and seven; and the superintendent of Indian affairs, in the territory of Michigan, is authorized, on the part of the said Indians, to select the said tracts of land.

U of M Native studies discussion here:

http://141.211.177.75/ac/nativ e/um/treaty/
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Higgs1634
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I guess a side question would be, why hasn't Wayne State been able to step into that void?

IIRC, Wayne is the state's 3rd largest. Why is it only now that there is a dorm building boom?

I know it has a large "commuter" student body, but I know several grads from WSU schools that would have lived down there if there were choices other than ratty apartments and antiquated student housing.
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Greatlakes
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, I'm not crazy. I can read. Detroitrise wrote, "many of the inner city neighborhoods probably wouldn't be so run down," not whether or not they "make a positive impact." Many areas around universities in even wealthy cities are not in the best shape because landlords don't take care of their buildings because they know they can get away with renting out subpar rooms to students who don't know any better. Crime is usually also higher around university campuses. So yeah, what about WSU?
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Detroitrise
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 3:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greatlakes, I'd sure rather have thousands of educated hip college kids occupying a "less stellar" neighborhood than a field of grass and rats without a person living for miles (except for your average crackhead or whino).

(Message edited by detroitrise on March 28, 2008)
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Club_boss
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 4:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I worked at a club on Main Street (William & Liberty) for 4 years.

There is no question Ann Arbor businesses love U Of M students and solely miss them, as well as their dollars, when they leave on their various breaks.

They (as well as their parents) are the lifeblood of downtown Ann Arbor.
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Greatlakes
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That's true, Detroitrise, as would I. The key is to still incorporate good urban planning around the campus, or you'll just have thousands of "hip college kids" who never leave the actual campus to go out into the neighborhood.
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Detroitrise
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 4:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greatlakes, all of that will fall into place if the college is "highly ranked" and diverse in its studies.
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Detroit313
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 5:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I say we (Detroityes) take Toledo back, and reclaim of territory....

Since Ohio State took Pryor from us...

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Gistok
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Although I don't deny the competition of Ann Arbor for the statehouse, I've always read that Marshall was the major contender against Lansing for the state capital.
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Melocoton
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University of Chicago (where I went to college) is highly ranked and diverse in its studies, but students rarely venture outside of Hyde Park into the surrounding south side--in fact, the University goes out of its way to discourage such contact between students and "the community." And for various reasons, U of C (like Columbia) has poor relations with its neighbors. Now, that doesn't mean a resident campus at Wayne wouldn't help the area, but greatlakes is right that the universities aren't simply boons for a neighborhood. They can be real adversaries, too.
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The_rock
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 6:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You are all wrong.
The reason is simple.
God called, and he happened to be in AA that day.
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Wolverine
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 9:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

While on the subject of U of M's history, I built a website for a project in the Stenecks' history of U of M class. The site has been broken for sometime, but parts of it still work and have some history as well as old photos of buildings. Just be sure to go to Building List to view everything

http://www-personal.umich.edu/ ~ifmuth/project/
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Scottr
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Wayne State was founded only 31 years after UM left Detroit, who's to say if UM stayed it wouldn't have turned out much the same as WSU? And if WSU was unable to stem the tide, who's to say UM could have either?

Also, WSU probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the move (or if it did, it wouldn't be what it is today) - so now, instead of having one research university in SE Michigan, we have two. IMO, he exact opposite of your statement is more likely - with only one such university in the region, we would be even WORSE off than we are now.

As for the state capital contenders, I know Grand Blanc was also in the running. I've always wondered who else was in the running (i knew AA) and how exactly they made their decision, what criteria (other than centrality) led to the decision to go with Lansing vs other cities.
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Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 11:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I say we trade Toledo for UofM/Ann Arbor...

...but Ohio will never go for the deal.
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Michmeister
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Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 2:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That land was granted through the Treaty of Fort Meigs, 1817. Indians believe the treaty included education for Indians in perpetuity. Sure did educate them.....don`t screw with the white man.:-)
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I don't know, Jrvass. I've never known that so many Ohioans are willing to give up Toledo for anything.
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Jrvass
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Yeah, Ohio would get the short end of the stick.
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Novine
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A good history about the "war" over the Toledo Strip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T oledo_War

Think politics today is rough sport? Kwame's got nothing to complain about:

"Mason's successor Horner proved to be extremely unpopular as governor and his tenure was very short. Residents disliked him so much they burned him in effigy and pelted him with vegetables upon his entry into the territorial capital. In the October 1835 elections, voters approved the draft constitution and elected the popular Mason as state governor."
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Umstucoach
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That's the problem with today. Too much whining on the internet, not enough effigy burning.

Oh, and tar and feathering. Love the tar and feathering.
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Burnsie
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Scottr-- the following is from
http://www.cityoflansingmi.com /pnd/historypres/historydetail s.jsp

The City of Lansing was founded as Michigan's capitol city through a provision of the 1837 Michigan constitution. The constitution established Detroit as the state's temporary capitol, but required the legislature to select a permanent site in ten years. In 1847 the legislature was faced with making a choice. The name of Lansing Township was proposed as a compromise to the site selection controversy, at the instigation of James Seymour of Rochester, New York, owner of lands in the area. The township was located midway across the state and north of lands heavily settled already. Its selection was seen as a means of promoting growth of the more northerly parts of the state. Accordingly Lansing Township was adopted as the site.

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