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Oliverdouglas
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 7:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Overheard at Pasquale's last night: During a discussion of the Dream Cruise, it was pointed out that Campus Martius was a real person. The speaker was unsure, however, wether Mr. Martius actually designed cars, or what.
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Alley
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 8:08 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I couldn't find a single reference to anyone named "Campus Martius," but I did learn

A.Campus Martius (Latin for the "Field of Mars" where Roman heroes walked, Italian Campo Marzio), was a publicly owned area of ancient Rome about 2 km (600 acres) in extent. In the Middle Ages it was the most populated area of Rome. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C ampus_Martius)

AND

B.Campus Martius was a civilian fortification built between 1788 and 1791 in order to protect Marietta, the first organized American settlement in the Northwest Territory of the United States (http://www.artcom.com/Museums/ nv/af/45750-21.htm)
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Leland_palmer
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 8:10 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That's crazy talk. Someone was pulling your leg or misinformed.
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56packman
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 8:29 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A perfect application of IDKFTIKPOOOA
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Kenp
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 8:41 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I knew Mr. Martius, he was a great Detroit leader and legend. Unfortunatly his love of wine and women was his downfall. He was once quoted as saying, "My only crime is loving well, not loving wise"
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Gannon
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 8:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oliverdouglas,

I'm hoping you could finally get that wad of spaghetti out of your sinus cavity after snort laughing in their face.

Shame you couldn't have simply slapped them for their ignorance...sometimes we might just be TOO polite in society.


heh
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Cdwaters
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 8:59 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Campus Martius was a place originally outside of Rome. The purpose for the "field of Mars" was that no one was allowed to enter the city with arms, so the big field outside of Rome became the place where the army would take up arms to begin a campaign and lay them down at the end of it. Early Rome would not even allow a temple to the god of war in the city. It was located outside the "pomerium." Elections were also held in the Campus Martius as some of the early voting assemblies were originally organized by your military "century." As Rome grew, it encompassed the field. It's interesting that the plan of Detroit had it's Campus Martius as the focal point. The Romans would have been appalled at the thought. Finally I get to show off my WSU classics degree on this board!
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Mauser765
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 10:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hahahahahaha !

"Which one is Pink" ?
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Detourdetroit
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 11:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The martius family lived around the block from us on the NW side. Campus and his brother Circus were always getting in fights.
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401don
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Who told you that, Mr. Haney?
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56packman
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Halt at once!


This is their cousin Marvin...........
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Detroitnerd
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe they confused Joseph Campau and Campo Marzio?
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Johnlodge
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is actually true. Not many people realize it.

Other little-known Detroiters who have places or landmarks named after them include:

Tricen Tennial
Frank Ambassador
Jennifer "Big Beaver" Warner
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Gistok
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 1:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

56packman, where's Marvin's "Ilodium Pew Model 37 Space Modulator"?

Interestingly enough... Campus Martius was indeed originally just a field in ancient Rome. There are 2 other famous fields in Europe... Campus Stella (Field of Stars) in ancient Spain, which later became Santiago de Compostella... where the bones of St. James the Greater (one of Jesus's 12 Apostles) were "supposedly" found in dark ages, and became one of the great pilgrimage sites of medieval Europe.

And then there's the Theresienwiesen (Theresa's Field) just outside of medieval Munich, where millions of pilgrims come every year to partake of that magical brew... beer at Oktoberfest!
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Neilr
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 1:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This thread has started me thinking. If I change my name from Neilr to Campus Martius in time to run in the next City Council election, I could be sitting right up there in one of those comfy chairs right next to Monica Conyers and Martha Reeves. :-)
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Detroitbill
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 2:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Neil, I think thats an excellent idea,,,,you have my vote for sure,,, just dont wear any crazy birthday gear on your bday
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East_detroit
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 2:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Wow, I didnt know that was Jenny Warner's nickname.
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Deteamster
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 2:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Detroit had its own bona fide Campus Martius. It was a common name for drilling fields for troops in any city. I know we had one, and I'm pretty sure it was the British who started it. Look at an old, old map and you'll find it.
People say a lot of things. Unless they have their Ph.D., it's probably best not to take their trivia at face value.
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Cdwaters
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 2:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Deteamster, if I agree with you I would have to completely ignore your post. ;)
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J_to_the_jeremy
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 3:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dteamster is correct. The Champ de Mars in Paris is the same name as Campus Martius in the Paris of the Midwest.
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Gistok
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 4:27 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good point J_to_the_jeremy... and then they also have their Elisian Fields... or Champs Elysees. (Too tired to look up the Accent Aigu's)... but correctly pronounced "Shawns Ay-Lee-Zay"
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Deteamster
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 4:30 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sure you would! But how do you know I'm not Distinguished Professor Deteamster?
Besides, don't take my word for it by any means...head to the library and check it out.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 4:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Speaking of pronunciation, it's funny to see some pretentious people try to correctly pronounce "Campus Martius" thinking they've got a one up on the peasants when the correct way to say it is pretty much how it looks since it's Latin.
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Ravine
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Posted on Monday, April 21, 2008 - 8:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gistok, where did you get the idea that the French pronounce that "m" as an "n"? Ce n'est vrai.
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Gistok
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 1:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was in Paris twice (once before 2 years of French in college, once after). It was how my professor pronounced it. I've never seen the people in Paris put their lips together to get an "M" sound...(I was looking because I too was skeptical). They pronounce it more like a VERY subtle "N" sound. Another even weirder example is the old coronation city in France... "Rheims"... no "M" sound there either.

Lmichigan... there's actually 2 ways of saying it in Latin... there's church Latin (Campus Mar-tee-us) and classic Latin (Campus Mar-shuss).

(Message edited by Gistok on April 23, 2008)
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Lmichigan
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Well, the m and n don't get pronounced at the end of words, but I've never heard an n pronounced as an m at the beginning of a word.

I was almost certain that the only proper pronunciation of "tius" is two syllables in any kind of Latin. BTW, isn't the "u" pronounced "oo" so that it would be Cahm-poos?
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Alley
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 1:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mr. Campoos Marshoos!
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Rel
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 1:22 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So there is a guy named Campus Martius...

...and my real name is Ms. Livernois Rencen Jefferson. Oh, and my maiden name is Faygo ;)
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Novine
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 1:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Overheard at Pasquale's last night..."

Wasn't this the tip-off that what would follow would be fact-free?
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Fnemecek
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 7:07 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

This thread has started me thinking. If I change my name from Neilr to Campus Martius in time to run in the next City Council election...


The only problem is that, for 7 years after you change your name, it would appear as "Campus Martius (formerly known as Neilr)".
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East_detroit
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 8:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He should really try "Reverend Campus Martius"
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Neilr
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 9:21 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quote:

He should really try "Reverend Campus Martius"


Thanks for the suggestion. Praise the Lord!

quote:

for 7 years after you change your name, it would appear as "Campus Martius (formerly known as Neilr)"


I'll expect that no one bothers to read further after seeing "Reverend Campus Martius."
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Cdwaters
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 10:31 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lmichigan,
You are correct, classical Latin pronounces every syllable and the "T" is always hard. The "u" sound is pronounced somewhat like an "oo." The "C" is always hard as well, so Cicero was pronounced "Kee ker oh." Latin (esp. classical)is not considered a spoken language. We may read texts out loud but there is not a conversational element to classwork as in modern spoken languages except in a few intensive summer courses at U of Ky. There is debate as to how words were accented, though they are fairly certain of the pronunciation of letters and diphthongs.
On a side note, Classical Greek is the same way. There is fierce debate between scholars and Modern Greek speakers because many Modern Greeks want to pronounce Ancient Greek like todays Greek. There is a lot of proof that shows it wasn't, they just can't be sure how it actually pronounced. I have been to a lecture where shouting matches have occurred over this topic.

I guess this is a bit off topic, but I defer to most of you on so many Detroit issues, I like to impart a little bit of my expertise as well. Hope some of you are interested.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 7:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, cdwaters.
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Gnome
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 4:48 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

cdwaters, thanx... kamPuss MarT shuss? or kamPuss MaR shush?
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 5:07 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Neither. Cahm-pus Mar-Tee-us. Long "a" in the Campus, three syllables in Martius with a hard "t"
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Gnome
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 5:23 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

marty us? you expect us to talk about going to kahmpus MartyUs?

Marty US? jeeze. Then how did this MarShuss thing start and who's to blame? Archer?

bastard.
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Lmichigan
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Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 6:05 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Like just about any word that crosses over into a foreign language, we pronounce it according to our languages' own rules. Heck, we don't even say the city's name 'correctly.'

(Message edited by lmichigan on April 24, 2008)

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