  Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3029 Registered: 04-2006 |
^It also gives him another talking point for why removing him from office would be detrimental to the city's success. | ||
Livernoisyard Member Username: Livernoisyard Post Number: 5944 Registered: 10-2004 |
Kilpatrick had a $2 billion plan, followed by a $1 billion plan the year later, and now a $300 million plan with a slush fund for erasing about 1/2 of the expected deficit--just in time for his reelection campaign. All duds. | ||
Defendbrooklyn Member Username: Defendbrooklyn Post Number: 819 Registered: 11-2005 |
I'm saying if you get a group of people to park at 8 mile, train into the city, spend money on shopping and food, and then head home; you are asking them to take all their new goods and train through Highland Park. Why would you want to make yourself a big target to be mugged. All i'm saying is, HP is not safe and people will not want to be on a train that stops 2 or 3 times in HP when they can just drive to the city. Plus PR is going to be a big factor in getting people to buy in…If stories start breaking about crime on the rail system people will not ride. I like the idea of bypassing HP until HP can get their shit together. Bypassing HP might put some logistical constraints on potential Ferndale/Royal Oak/Berkly riders due to the close proximity. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 6240 Registered: 10-2003 |
Exactly how much less together is HP's "shit" as compared to the parts of Detroit immediately surrounding it? | ||
Bearinabox Member Username: Bearinabox Post Number: 608 Registered: 04-2006 |
1. "Train," when used as a verb, does not mean what you seem to think it means. 2. There is no route downtown from the suburbs that doesn't pass through any blighted/unsafe neighborhoods. 3. Why shouldn't HPers be able to ride a streetcar downtown? Who says this is just for suburbanites? 4. Maybe light rail access would help HP get its shit together. | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 2193 Registered: 07-2004 |
The people who won't want to take a streetcar through Highland Park are hopeless cases, and it would be suicide to try to build a mass transit system that caters to them. | ||
Mbr Member Username: Mbr Post Number: 377 Registered: 03-2005 |
How many bus lines already serve this corridor, between SMART and DDOT? It has to be at least 6. | ||
Izzadore Member Username: Izzadore Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2006 |
quote: Because Highland park could use the traffic... | ||
401don Member Username: 401don Post Number: 376 Registered: 11-2007 |
Where could they start south of Foxtown? You can't get around CMart or GCP. I assume they would stop at Foxtown and have everyone take the GCP People Mover stop to points south. | ||
El_jimbo Member Username: El_jimbo Post Number: 641 Registered: 12-2006 |
LY, Without looking at the study, I'm guessing that some of the 12,000 jobs that are created by this project are not permanent. Meaning that they are counting the construction jobs that will be needed in order to build the project. Also, when you do job projections like that, you have to take into account the "multiplier effect". Meaning that direct creation of one new position (lets say a conductor) will support X number of secondary jobs. | ||
Iheartthed Member Username: Iheartthed Post Number: 3030 Registered: 04-2006 |
quote: You do realize that Highland Park will be prime real estate if a Woodward line is ever built, right? | ||
Mackenzie68 Member Username: Mackenzie68 Post Number: 7 Registered: 03-2008 |
Interesting that this is posted now while I'm trying to find a working website to see what public transportation might be available from Lonyo/Michigan to the western 'burbs. I cant even get a Detroit gov pages to load, much less ddot. But let's spend money we don't have to help people who don't have jobs get to where jobs aren't? Okay, I'll try to dial down the frustration now. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6678 Registered: 08-2004 |
LOL at Johnlodge... I agree... can one even tell (aside from signage) when one enters or exits Highland Park from Detroit?? | ||
Detroitnerd Member Username: Detroitnerd Post Number: 2194 Registered: 07-2004 |
That's true, Iheart. Those storefronts will be bought and refurbished faster than you can say Highland Appliance. If that isn't the case, I'll buy you five pounds of coffee!  | ||
Detroit_stylin Member Username: Detroit_stylin Post Number: 5738 Registered: 10-2003 |
I can...in a major major way.... | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4161 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: I call bullshit. The DC Metro runs through some not-so-fantastic areas. How many people get mugged at Minnesota Avenue station every day? Virtually none. In fact: Most Crimes Occur at the Ends of the Lines http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04 /18/AR2008041803175.html | ||
Sg9018 Member Username: Sg9018 Post Number: 193 Registered: 10-2006 |
401don, Here is the link to the Downtown/foxtown plan. There is 3 of them. http://www.dtogs.com/f/CBD_Sta tion-Plans_08-02-20_001.pdf | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2975 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: The plan does not stop at Foxtown. There are three separate plans for the central core included in this proposal. The simplest runs straight to the Rosa parks transit center. The second is a one way ring running a few blocks from the people mover going the opposite direction of the people mover. The third is having it detour off Woodward at Grand river and run down Washington and up Jefferson to the Ren-Cen. I'm sure the TV didn't have time to describe the three CBD options. | ||
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers Post Number: 1993 Registered: 12-2003 |
quote: This system will replace most or all of these bus routes, which will save DDOT money, since it is less expensive to operate LRT than it is to operate over crowded buses. It will also save a lot of rider time, as the LRT will be faster than the existing buses. | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2976 Registered: 10-2003 |
quote: You're looking in the wrong place. DDOT basically only serves the City. As soon as you say Western Suburbs that puts you on Smart. http://www.smartbus.org/smart/ Home And if that western suburb is Livonia you'll need a car. Livonia opted themselves out of smart a little while ago. | ||
Johnlodge Member Username: Johnlodge Post Number: 6241 Registered: 10-2003 |
(hiding from Trainman) | ||
Ndavies Member Username: Ndavies Post Number: 2977 Registered: 10-2003 |
John Lodge, I was thinking something similar as I typed that last post. | ||
Gistok Member Username: Gistok Post Number: 6680 Registered: 08-2004 |
(Wincing at the thought of another set of tracks on Washington Blvd.) | ||
401don Member Username: 401don Post Number: 377 Registered: 11-2007 |
Thanks for the link Sg. It would seem to make sense to stop at Rosa Parks initially. The People Mover can be used to continue on to the Ren Cen and rest of CBD unless ridership later justifies extending it. Ideally you want some compromise between the "door-to-door" people around metro Detroit expect and encouraging more pedestrian traffic, even for a block or two. | ||
Mind_field Member Username: Mind_field Post Number: 880 Registered: 10-2003 |
If constructed, this WILL be the tipping point for midtown and downtown gentrification. By the time of completion who knows how high gas prices will have soared? It will be exciting to see Woodward explode with TOD. | ||
Mackinaw Member Username: Mackinaw Post Number: 4648 Registered: 02-2005 |
This is quite believable, considering the funding sources. With Rock Financial and potential future companies moving downtown, watch all of midtown really explode with thi, as others have said. It will be possible to live car-less and rely on something other than your own two feet or a spotty bus system in Detroit. This could revitalize several Woodward-adjacent neighborhoods beyond New Center that we haven't even considered as redevelopment frontiers yet, and watch property values in southern Ferndale soar, and their residents demand the line be extended into Oakland County. If successful, you could realistically expect a similar line to be reinstated on Jefferson within a decade. This would change the course of development along that stretch from low-budget strip mall redevelopments to actual urban redevelopment. | ||
Sciencefair Member Username: Sciencefair Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2007 |
Gistok don't worry, last I checked it would be the only set of tracks on Washington Blvd. | ||
Danindc Member Username: Danindc Post Number: 4162 Registered: 10-2003 |
Oh yeah, in case I forgot to say it: this is *really* exciting. I hope the financing comes together. Unfortunately, it's going to be at least until January 20, 2009 before that happens. In the interim, let's get through the preliminary analysis, locally preferred alternative, and environmental impact stages so the project can be considered for federal funding. | ||
Bragaboutme Member Username: Bragaboutme Post Number: 186 Registered: 02-2008 |
I think the best thing would be to expand the people mover up Woodward and connect Midtown, and Newcenter areas using John R. and cass somehow. | ||
Jsmyers Member Username: Jsmyers Post Number: 1994 Registered: 12-2003 |
Dan, This was apparently the announcement of the locally preferred alternative. http://www.dtogs.com/f/Project _Flowchart.pdf Of course doing the EIS, engineering, and finalizing funding will take time, but this isn't coming out of nowhere this week. |
